T60 news and forum?

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SpaRood · #1 Post by **SpaRood** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:53 pm

Hi,

I am very curious at the Thinkpad T60. I have read Lenovo will announce it in January. How will the T60 look like? The same design as the T4x? What will be the specs?

Perhaps a new forum about the T60 can started? I'd love to read more about the lastest Thinkpad T60.

I am 99% I will be buying it, it only depends on the availabilty.

Thinkhead · #2 Post by **Thinkhead** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:17 am

Sorry, I have no news for the T60.

I also want to buy a new Laptop and can wait for the new model:

How save is it to buy a brand new model (rather than a model of an established series). Is it like with cars where you are good advised to wait a year to have bugs fixed because of hasty market introduction.

Does anyone has experience with hardware improvements/bugfixes over the lifetime within a series?

beeblebrox · #3 Post by **beeblebrox** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:34 am

Wisdom says "Never buy anything with an even ending number "
Never something like Version 1.0, 2.0, iTunes 5.0, Thinkpad T40 etc.

I you don't want to end up as a beta customer, wait a few months and buy the version with the major bugs removed.

Those are called iTunes 5.0.1., Office XP 2.1, Thinkpad T40 (Version 1.1 with fixed long fan) etc.

I think you get the idea

#4 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:57 pm

Well, not in all cases are even numbers unsafe. I'm still wainting on a bad review of the T30, the 600, the 700 (the original ThinkPad laptop) and a good number of others. I think it'd be safer to say wait for the technology to mature and become proven as opposed to simply saying don't buy anything with an even number.

Still, I do get your point. Palm OS 4.0, Windows 1.0 (ok, so maybe there were no catastrophic flaws or bugs but the OS itself was pretty useless unless you used MS Word), the original Pentiums (the FDIV bug impaired 60 and 66), the Intel i820, etcetera but still, I thought I'd mention my insight since there might be one or two people who do miss your point. Early adoption of every latest technology usually gets you nothing but an empty wallet and technology that's obsolete by the time you open the box.

#5 Post by **bill bolton** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:30 am

SpaRood wrote: I have read Lenovo will announce it in January. How will the T60 look like?

Here's a thought... wait until they announce it, then you'll know for sure.

Cheers,

Bill

#6 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:59 am

I wonder how many numbers will be gone through until they come up with new letters. I'm not saying that the T's name is aging, I'm just thinking it would sound sorta funny if we had these things ever go into the three digits though on second thought, if we could ever see a T1000 in the distand distant future, that'd be awesome, just because of a certain movie character it'd be sharing it's name with.

#7 Post by **BillMorrow** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:12 am

a T60 confrence will appear when there is a T60 to discuss..
and at least one T60 has arrived in customer hands..

SpaRood · #8 Post by **SpaRood** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:53 am

Please tell us more!

#9 Post by **K. Eng** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:19 am

Details???

Only 3 weeks until the Napa platform launch!

BillMorrow wrote:a T60 confrence will appear when there is a T60 to discuss..
and at least one T60 has arrived in customer hands..

#10 Post by **BillMorrow** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:01 am

who, ME..?
i don't know anything..
i don't have a recent transition report..
so i, like y'all, have no info other than what i can surmise..

when i learn something i'll let y'all know what i can..

Navck · #11 Post by **Navck** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:04 am

T60 better not be a "Mainstream" thing with "21 inch widescreen" with "microkeyboard"
If it keeps the normal T look with the normal uncrowded windowless key keyboard (I use my right alt. Waaayyy better than having microkeyboard) Its pretty good.

#12 Post by **GomJabbar** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:48 am

What is a "microkeyboard"?

Micro means small, so I would think a microkeyboard would be a small keyboard. But I find it hard to believe that a laptop manufacturer would skimp on keyboard size with a 21" widescreen.

EDIT: I guess what was meant was a Microsoft design style keyboard with the extra Windows keys. The 'micro' coming from 'Microsoft'.

#13 Post by **K. Eng** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:56 pm

Navck wrote:T60 better not be a "Mainstream" thing with "21 inch widescreen" with "microkeyboard"

Almost no chance of that happening because the T series has never been aimed at the desktop replacement market. The only machines that could possibly even approach what you describe are Z and G series machines.

My guess is that the T60 will be close in size and mass to the current T4x.

andrey · #14 Post by **andrey** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:30 pm

.. and T60 might be in Titanium with rounded edges

-- Andrey

vkyr · #15 Post by **vkyr** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:04 pm

If you look ahead which components (mobile CPUs, GPUs, RAM, WiMax, S-ATA, etc.) are announced for 2006 and you additionally look what's the actual newest stand of overall assembled internal hardware technics in the notebook market, you pretty much know what will be inside.

A T60 can be assumed to have then a Napa based dual core Yonah CPU (some months later Merom too), the X60 instead a Yonah single core and the R60 something in between etc. Chassis and displays won't change at all, even some additional USB and firewire ports would be welcome. - If too much people vote for the Z-series titanium cases, then your next T-series model might offer such an display case too.

All in all I expect here just a gentle and smooth update/transition of internally offered hardware components and no other radical changes. - Things like LED based TFT-panels, overall changed design etc. will be left for the future, when the Thinkpad series need some urgent more radical refreshings, since the competitors might have established in the meantime all these technology things and the prices for related supplier parts have droped.

Navck · #16 Post by **Navck** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:07 pm

GomJabbar wrote:What is a "microkeyboard"?

Micro means small, so I would think a microkeyboard would be a small keyboard. But I find it hard to believe that a laptop manufacturer would skimp on keyboard size with a 21" widescreen.

EDIT: I guess what was meant was a Microsoft design style keyboard with the extra Windows keys. The 'micro' coming from 'Microsoft'.

A microkeyboard is one of those keyboards that are ment to be on something even smaller than an X series but forciblly put onto a 21 or even 17 inch laptop. See examples of those media laptops out there? Ever seen how cramped the keys are? You have your two windows key, copy, cut, paste, quit program, minimize (This is off my friends Dell Insprion 6000 keyboard.), then a giant media array of stuff, touchpad, and combined, you have an enter key with a surface area of 1.75CM squared, and the backspace key smaller as a standard button (On his model anyways. Don't ask me, he might of had some weird keyboard.). Etc. Microkeyboards suck. (Or too crowded keyboards.)

#17 Post by **GomJabbar** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:01 pm

Navck wrote:A microkeyboard is one of those keyboards that are ment to be on something even smaller than an X series but forciblly put onto a 21 or even 17 inch laptop.

I haven't been looking at the large format laptops, so I had no idea. Thanks for the explanation. You got me curious now. Next time I go to a store with new laptops for sale, I'll have to take a look. And no, I don't want one myself. I like something along the lines of a 14" that I can travel with easily.

Rose · #18 Post by **Rose** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:54 am

With the introduction of a new series, the T6x, my guess is that the chassis will be totally different. With the Z-series, Lenovo made it clear that former T4x series batteries and former Thinkpad AC-adaptors wont be compatible with future Thinkpads. Simply these two factors makes it unpleasant to upgrade to the future T6x series, at least for me working at a company where we have dozens of T4x series laptops in use. Other factors pointing to a totally different chassis is that Lenovo stated the “roll cage” feature to be implemented in all future Thinkpads from now on. Sounds like a nice feature, but I wonder if it is really needed in the already sturdy T-series. Also “windows” keys will be implemented in future keyboards, not sure if im up to that, and I wonder why the change in design of the trackpoint and touchpad buttons. Why all black and edgy all of the sudden? At least the old ones had colours, signifying simple ness. Anyone tried those new “ultranav” buttons??

Also, and this is what my guts are telling me. Future 14.1” and 15” might be separated into two more distinctly different models. I don’t believe the 14.1” T-series will come with the more powerfull graphical chipsets available in the future. Look at the corresponding models of Lenovos competitors. Dell have downgraded its Latitude D610 compared to D600, which is a direct rival to the T4x series, only offering x300 as top graphical chipset. Neither does HP have anything resembling the T4xp 14.1 inch model. To gain Workstation capabilities, I recon you will have the 15” model to turn to.

So what pros and cons might we expect in T6x series+

Pros:
Yonah
Direct SATA interface, hopefully SATAII

Cons:
Not compatible with old accessories.
Windows adapted keyboard

And other questions:
Will it have rounded corners?
Will the rollcage be of any use?
DVI output?
Will the 14.1 inch series become less powerfull?
Will the IBM sticker be replaced with a Lenovo one?
Does it come in black?

andyP · #19 Post by **andyP** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:44 am

Lenovo have given us the news on the German web site, that the port reps and dockings for the Z60s will be compatible with the next generation of T60 and R60 ThinkPads.
My feeling is that we can look forward to "square" Z machines with probably better performance. I think the microkeyboard is a dead cert. As they announced the Z series at a meeting here in Germany, in June 2005, I remember someone saying that the Windows buttons would be a feature on all new ThinkPad models.

#20 Post by **RonS** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:46 pm

Check this out:

http://www.ip-web.de/ThinkPad/T60/ThinkPad_T60.htm

cchsiao · #21 Post by **cchsiao** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:40 pm

The specification listed over there would not be true since it still cooperates with mini-dock or dock-II and that's certainly not the case.

andyP · #22 Post by **andyP** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:53 am

Here's a link to the UK site for the (Z60) Thinkpad Advanced Dock, it states quite clearly " Compatible with next generation (60 Series and higher) ThinkPad Z, T and R Series notebooks. Does not support earlier ThinkPad models ".

http://www5.pc.ibm.com/uk/products.nsf/ ... enDocument

cchsiao · #23 Post by **cchsiao** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:58 am

This is what I was saying: the new T60 should only work with the advanced dock, but not mini-dock or dock II. So I would say the information in that German link might just be some garbages.

By the way, according to some news from Chinese website, it looks like there will be Z61p, and may be no T60p.

#24 Post by **K. Eng** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:30 pm

A notebook can never be sturdy enough IMO

The T series is generally pretty sturdy but if Lenovo can make it more solid without increasing the cost much, more power to them.

Rose wrote:Other factors pointing to a totally different chassis is that Lenovo stated the “roll cage” feature to be implemented in all future Thinkpads from now on. Sounds like a nice feature, but I wonder if it is really needed in the already sturdy T-series.

Steve007 · #25 Post by **Steve007** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:11 pm

beeblebrox wrote:Wisdom says "Never buy anything with an even ending number "

Well that's a load of bollocks. My T40p & T42 are perfect. I seem to remember it was the T43 with all the problems

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