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asiafish · #1 Post by **asiafish** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:53 pm

What I like most is that it uses 2.5" HD while still weighing less than 3lb. Were it not for the shared video I'd order one today. As it is, I'll keep my X32 until they either offer one with discreet video or I find a large wad of cash.

RS_003 · #2 Post by **RS_003** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:38 pm

http://www.cpluse.com/Module/Show.aspx?ID=1957

Not so slow ...
Allot faster then the 16mb ATI **** *** card.
Dammit.. that thing doesnt even allow me to play unrealtournament clasic on my X31

... I could even play that game on my X40

So.. fast enough for me

(tough, I would not mind a faster chip

)

Guest · #3 Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:59 pm

Well, uhm, I can play the classic unreal tournament fine on my X24 with its 8 Mb ATI videocard. 800xx600 res, and settings on low/medium give fine fps even online.

asiafish · #4 Post by **asiafish** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:47 pm

Call me old-fashioned, I just don't like shared video. I remember on an old Toshiba Portege with shared video (4000 I think) that did everything just a second or two off the pace, which I (rightly or wrongly) blamed on the chipset.

The shared chip in the current ThinkPads is no doubt much better, and will play Direct X 9 games, from what I understand, but I just prefer real hardware. An X60 with even a64MB X300 would be absolutely terrific.

Logically, with a 1.8GHz X32 there is really no reason to even consider the new models, and so I will try very hard, against all of my gadget lust, to just use what I have and be happy with it.

#5 Post by **aamsel** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:53 am

I actually have an X32 on order, and it just shipped. Logic would tell me to return it and order an X60 or X60s, but I am trying to determine what they offer that I truly need, and if they represent a true upgrade to me. People are talking about selling their X40/41's or X31/32's to get the new models, and I am not 100 percent sure that this would be warranted. I am not even sure that the build quality will be as good at this point.
Andrew

asiafish wrote:Call me old-fashioned, I just don't like shared video. I remember on an old Toshiba Portege with shared video (4000 I think) that did everything just a second or two off the pace, which I (rightly or wrongly) blamed on the chipset.

The shared chip in the current ThinkPads is no doubt much better, and will play Direct X 9 games, from what I understand, but I just prefer real hardware. An X60 with even a64MB X300 would be absolutely terrific.

Logically, with a 1.8GHz X32 there is really no reason to even consider the new models, and so I will try very hard, against all of my gadget lust, to just use what I have and be happy with it.

RS_003 · #6 Post by **RS_003** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:43 am

Well, for me going from a X31 to a X60s isn't a need.
But I am a ThinkPad fan, so I have to had them all.

Thats my motivation anyway.
For the extra options I don't need to do this.
Since my X31 serves me well anyway.

asiafish · #7 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:04 am

For me the only features worth moving to the X60s (the X60 has nothing for me) are the longer battery life and the smaller and lighter form-factor, especially compared to long-battery-life configurations for the X32 (with slice battery attached). To have an almost 8 hour life in a 3lb unit with no HD penalty (X4x drives unacceptable) is very compelling.

Andrew

RS_003 · #8 Post by **RS_003** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:26 pm

Ow, well I don't even need 8 hours.

Tough it is nice to have a laptop that could if I should.
But I would not like to pay more for it, but crazy about thinkpads as I am I will buy one if they start using decent keyboards again...

Tough My dual 6cell battery X31 (via the portable dock you can attach the seccond battery) I can get up to 10+ hours.

#9 Post by **aamsel** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:35 pm

Well, but in my case, I don't own the X32 yet, haven't even received the order at this point. So, it is not a question of having to sell one to buy the other, etc. but simply to return the X32 to buy the X60 or X60s. Seems like the question marks on the X60 at this point are:
1.) the overall build quality...is it equal to previous X series ?
2.) keyboard
3.) power supply changes
4.) ???

Any opinions?

Andrew

RS_003 wrote:Well, for my going from a X31 to a X60s isn't a need.
But I am a ThinkPad fan, so I have to had them all.

Thats my motivation anyway.
For the extra options I don't need to do this.
Since my X31 serves me well anyway.

sonoma · #10 Post by **sonoma** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:26 am

aamsel, I would definitely return X32 and get the X60s if I was in your position. - better resale value later. Also, I like the fact that X60s features the smalles form factor.

#11 Post by **aamsel** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:25 pm

Thanks, but....
I am undecided on this one. I may or may not keep the X32, but I doubt that I will wait for an X60 in any case. I am concerned that there will be some overall "cheapening" of the materials, etc. as Lenovo pushes toward more profitability. We shall see, but no X60 series for me in any case.

Your sig says "X60s". When are you being told you will get it????

Andrew

sonoma wrote:aamsel, I would definitely return X32 and get the X60s if I was in your position. - better resale value later. Also, I like the fact that X60s features the smalles form factor.

christopher_wolf · #12 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:03 pm

I don't think that there will be any cheapening of the Thinkpads under Lenovo; they have already made a few of their own laptops before and now know the ropes, so to speak. They realize, I am quite sure, that one of the main selling points of the Thinkpads is Quality; they won't be so quick to cut costs without looking first.

sonoma · #13 Post by **sonoma** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:27 pm

I personally don't think Lenovo would be "stupid" enough to do so. As X60 and T60 series are the very first models to be introduced to the market since Lenovo's takeout, I believe they will do their very best to show off their capacity (at least initially) and demonstrate their willingness and commitment to build on the success and reputation of IBM ThinkPad laptops.

My logic goes like this:
When a new CEO starts at a company, he/she normally picks on all the things that the previous CEO has done wrong (or just blames everything so that he can look better to employees' eyes), then he/she tries to show that he is a better CEO than anyone prior to him by making improvements, innovations etc etc. Kind of same would apply here, I'd imagine, if Lenovo was rational. In my company, the same thing happened. Let's not talk about product or process changes but instead take a straightfoward example - employee party. The first year he started, he made the employees' Christmas function the best and the most luxurious of all time. Then, the second year onwards, the quality, venue so on began deteriorating.

For these reasons, I'd expect "at least" the very first models Lenovo touches to be of the highest quality ever. If they were smart, they will certainly try to make their first models a hugh success so as to address all those concerns regarding quality that are widespread amonst the ThinkPad community i.e. they would do this not to lose the existing customer base and to continue to acquire new customers. It's a simple business rule - don't damage established brand reputation, otherwise, there shall be no future for them. ThinkPad is the flagship brand for them, and they know this.

But who knows? Here, we're just speculating. Until, we finally get to see and use the real product, nobody can say anything for sure. All I say is I hope Lenovo is smart enough to realise that there are already concerns and issues about quality or at least perception in quality deterioration. Hope they take these concerns seriously and show us their commitment to maintain the reputation of ThinkPad's.

Andrew, I was told I will get mine within two to three weeks but I don't believe that. This time last year, I placed my order for T43 and it took more than two months to arrive safely in my hands. My guess would be anywhere between mid-Feb and early March.

PS. If my logic or illogic was correct, then now should be the best time to upgrade the old X series, wouldn't it?

#14 Post by **aamsel** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:25 pm

Yes it would.

I hope everyone is correct about anticipating that Lenovo will keep quality up. Quality is what has made me (and most here) Thinkpad owners to this point in time. However, we have to know that Lenovo needs to compete with the Dells and HP's of the world or potentially fail. Can they do this, and still provide a superior business-oriented product? We shall see.

Andrew

sonoma wrote:...PS. If my logic or illogic was correct, then now should be the best time to upgrade the old X series, wouldn't it?

Brave_turtle · #15 Post by **Brave_turtle** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:20 am

Guys, how good is this Media Accelerator 950 card?

I don't play many games but... I'd like to know a bit more about it.

#16 Post by **aamsel** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:52 pm

It is DirectX 9.0 compliant. Other than that, it is typical integrated video.
If you are not running anything 3D, you will probably not know the difference. Performance on any 2D application should be perfectly fine.

Andrew

Brave_turtle wrote:Guys, how good is this Media Accelerator 950 card?

I don't play many games but... I'd like to know a bit more about it.

Wow, this sounds terrific

Wow, this sounds terrific

aamsel

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