Vista requirements (from MS)

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DavidNZ · #1 Post by **DavidNZ** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:26 pm

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/window ... pguid.mspx

Which then gives you a link to an Intel site (http://www.intel.com/business/bss/produ ... mobile.htm), which then gives options for mobile platforms, desktop platforms and developer platforms.

Bottom line, unless we're running a 915GM Express chipset (not my X40, that's for sure), doesn't look good for Vista:

"Intel's best business offering for mobile PCs is Intel® Centrino® mobile technology. Intel Centrino mobile technology helps enterprises use mobile PCs with breakthrough mobile performance, great battery life, integrated WiFi capability and thinner, lighter form factors. The Intel® Stable Image Platform Program (Intel® SIPP) provides laptop guidance for professional users.

Intel has been working closely with Microsoft to identify and develop key hardware components for Windows Vista*. Intel is supplying this information to assist enterprise customers in procuring and deploying PCs before Windows Vista launches. This list will be updated periodically as newly enabled products are released.

2005 Intel SIPP Laptop PCs: Laptops based on the Mobile Intel® 915GM Express Chipset, which launched in January 2005, provide breakthrough mobile performance, great battery life, integrated WiFi capability and thinner, lighter form factors. After the launch of Windows Vista, laptop PCs with Mobile Intel® 915GM Express Chipset will be able to run Windows Vista providing a Windows* XP-comparable graphics experience. On newly shipping systems with Mobile Intel® 915PM Express Chipset platforms, additional functionality, including support for the Windows Vista Display Driver Model, may be available with certain 3rd party graphics cards. Please contact your graphics or PC vendor for additional information.
2006 Intel SIPP Guidance for Laptop PCs: Intel's next generation mobile platform, code-named "Napa", is scheduled to launch in early 2006. Napa-based laptops using either Intel's integrated or certain 3rd party discrete graphics are targeted to support the new Windows Vista Display Driver Model. As part of the Intel Stable Image Platform Program, which defines annual transition cycles for desktop and laptop systems, Intel is recommending that IT managers begin qualification and deployment of Napa-based laptops in early 2006."

Source: http://www.intel.com/business/bss/produ ... mobile.htm

edmonton · #2 Post by **edmonton** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:22 pm

So my old T40 with ATI 7500 is no good for Vista? Too bad.

LtTPfan · #3 Post by **LtTPfan** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:14 pm

My son just signed me up for the beta, guess my T30 ain't gonna hack it.

DavidNZ · #4 Post by **DavidNZ** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:19 pm

Seems so, and this is what I just can't figure out. People with older hardware, like me, would be perfectly happy to run Vista without the blow-your-mind visual effects such as Glass and Aero. So, just give me the option of running a classic 98-like interface (I don't even use the default XP interface - too Fisher Price for me).

So, here we are on the eve (well, 6-10 months) of a new OS release and MS could very well alienate everyone who owns machines manufactured before, say, January 2005.

Somewhat related, I wonder what Office 12 will be like. If it runs on XP Pro, I'm happy, but if it requires Vista, then MS will have huge problems convincing people to upgrade from Office XP, particularly if they don't have the hardware to run it.

I'm befuddled.

dsvochak · #5 Post by **dsvochak** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:30 am

As part of the Intel Stable Image Platform Program, which defines annual transition cycles for desktop and laptop systems, Intel is recommending that IT managers begin qualification and deployment of Napa-based laptops in early 2006."

As part of the self employed small business stable image platform program, I'm part of the "If it ain't broke..." deployment theory.

There was a time when upgrades made sense on a new hardware/software requirement basis. As long as XP and W2K work for me I'm not likely to upgrade.

Regarding, DavidNZ's comments about Office 12, it's been awhile since an office suite offered some significant new functionality. I have a feeling this could be where MS and hardware vendors have a really difficult time convincing businesses to upgrade.

I also wonder whether the X & T 60's will be able to run Vista.

christopher_wolf · #6 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:54 pm

The T6X Series and X6X Series should be able to run Vista fine, keeping in mind that they have some pretty impressive hardware specs. Then again, why would I switch over to Vista? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" What incentive is there to upgrade? It is another 32-bit OS from Microsoft and they are now competing with their *own* Site License Agreements for Businesses. Same goes for Office 12. If all of the documents are backwards compatible with the rest of the Office suite versions, the only incentive would be some golly-geewhiz feature that most people who use Office could care less about. It actually hurts since Microsoft is adding more and more bloat to Office. The majority of programs used in Office are Powerpoint, Excel, and Word; Microsoft has tried to put others in there but those three have been the most oft used. If I want to type up a quick report, do I wait for Word to load or do I get something a tad faster? It is almost gotten to the point at which Microsoft has been "boxed in" by the same ubiquity that made it widespread; they can't change the format too much, because then they will lose many people who have older versions of Office, and they can't make too much more money off of the next generation of Office because they want to make it compatible. It is almost like a Catch-22.

IR0NMAN · #7 Post by **IR0NMAN** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:32 pm

Does it means that a FireGL T2 found in the T42p would be useless but an X300 would work? Seems weird to me... anyway, driver hacks will probably appears months before the final release

EDIT: Ok, by looking on ATi's web site, all these cards will be compatible:
o Mobility™ Radeon® X300 Series or higher
o Mobility™ Radeon® 9500 Series or higher
o FireGL™ V5000 (RV410GL) Series or higher
o FireGL™ V3100 Series or higher
o FireGL™ T2-128 Series or higher
o Radeon® Xpress 200M

I was a bit worried but now i'm all happy.

BoomAM · #8 Post by **BoomAM** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:01 pm

So, if i read that website correctly, then my Z60M should handle Vista with the fancy interface fine?

pianowizard · #9 Post by **pianowizard** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:24 pm

DavidNZ wrote:People with older hardware, like me, would be perfectly happy to run Vista without the blow-your-mind visual effects such as Glass and Aero.

Last night, I finally tested Vista Beta 2 on my X40 (1.2Ghz PM/1GB RAM) with all fancy visual effects turned off, and it ran much much slower than XP Pro. Unless the final finished version of Vista is faster than the Beta 2 (unlikely), I won't upgrade to Vista until I have upgraded to much faster computers. XP will remain the ideal OS for all of the computers I currently own (see signature).

440roadrunner · #10 Post by **440roadrunner** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:46 pm

So far, "I ain't impressed." Of three desktops I have free for testing, all are 2ghz or faster, and have 512mb of RAM. Only one would run vista, one refused to finish loading, the other had the video display so fouled up you could not do anything with it.

The "new" Exploder is a complete failure so far's I'm concerned. There is no menu like the old explorer, and while it "looks fancy" it's far too difficult to actually use. I don't calll this intuitive or "user friendly" a term I detest.

I won't be buying whatever Vista is going to be called anytime soon.

hcalsos · #11 Post by **hcalsos** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:44 am

Lenovo has a website that shows you the different models that support Vista. Which ones are Vista capable, and which ones are Vista Premium Ready.

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/microsoft/vista/index.html

BikerMike · #12 Post by **BikerMike** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:26 pm

For those interested in Vista on an older TP, BillD has a thread going in the T2x/T3x forum where he is describing his experiences running Vista on a T23.

makaveli559m · #13 Post by **makaveli559m** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:18 pm

I tried Vista 5456 its pretty fast on my Pentium 3 M 850mhz I am impressed but it still needs a lil bit more fixes. Like the RAM issue is still there. at 512 I still consume a lot of RAM. I think they can have it done in time but they are lazy at optimizing the betas unless they doing that on purpose.

ajsimeon · #14 Post by **ajsimeon** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:00 pm

Ok say you download and use Windows Vista Beta 2...once the final version of Windows Vista comes out will you be able to just enter the serial number and sorta "unlock" the beta to the final version?

snife · #15 Post by **snife** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:26 pm

ajsimeon wrote:Ok say you download and use Windows Vista Beta 2...once the final version of Windows Vista comes out will you be able to just enter the serial number and sorta "unlock" the beta to the final version?

Very unlikely that this will be the case.

Aroc · #16 Post by **Aroc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:11 pm

I for one will be turning off the fancy UI in windows vista. I do the same for all of my XP machines.

So we'll seen how it runs.

panflute · #17 Post by **panflute** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:23 am

All of this VISTA talk has persuaded me now is NOT the time to try VISTA. Also this is NOT the time to upgrade any hardware since the drivers and standards are not settled yet. I hear that ATI & Nvidia will be releasing an AGP version of their VISTA capable video card, but that is also not a good idea since 1. it will be expensive (@$400), 2. it will only be half an upgrade since you really should have a duo core processor, not to mention a new motherboard, new ram, and in that case a PCI-e video card.....better to wait on all this till all is ready for prime time. If we all remember, it took a while for XP service packs to be released to fix all of the bugs...
so now that XP is so stable they want us to go thru the upgrade hastles again.....nVIDIA has a demo video of VISTA on their website...looks real cool, but we are just gonna have to wait.
(Download the smaller sized video since the big one does not run well on most machines).

zyphria · #18 Post by **zyphria** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:58 pm

Well Vista RC2 is running like a dream on my X31 (1GB RAM) with full basic (non-Aero) visuals.

pianowizard · #19 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:05 pm

I just wanted to add one thing that I learned recently. Unlike the "minimum system requirements" that Microsoft published for previous versions of Windows, the memory requirement of 512MB for Vista is an absolute requirement. I tried to install Vista RC1 on a computer with only 256MB, and got an error message at the beginning of the installation process. So, if you have less than 512MB, forget about installing Vista.

makaveli559m · #20 Post by **makaveli559m** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:10 pm

I was using RC1 Home Basic but I uninstalled it because I cant acces my My Documents on my XP partition from the Vista partition. Can any one tell me if they have that same problem?

taz42zero · #21 Post by **taz42zero** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:28 pm

i'm running vista rc1 on my t41 w/ 1.25 ram, and it runs really quick, i am quite impressed so far. the only thing that i can't have is aero and glass due to the ati9000 video card. what i like the best is, what was, network neighborhood. it is MUCH faster that network neighborhood in xp pro, even w/ the wireless-b card. thats big for me since i keep lots of stuff on my pc.

Troels · #22 Post by **Troels** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:18 pm

hcalsos wrote:Lenovo has a website that shows you the different models that support Vista. Which ones are Vista capable, and which ones are Vista Premium Ready.

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/microsoft/vista/index.html

What the deal with no windows vista capable logo for T42 or R51? It even fullfills the vista premium certification according to the specs on lenovos page?

What Intel saying is just [censored] coming from a larger corporation trying to sell their products?
Makes me want to harass M$ and Intel in some way.

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