cloning hard drive T42

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jvoth · #1 Post by **jvoth** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:28 am

Many people ask about this, and some of the info proved valuable to me. I thought I would share my experiences:

1. I bought Norton 9.0, and tried to clone the drive. No start possible.
2. I tried using the advice from the Lenovo site (using the -IB switch).It turns out that Norton 9.0 doesn't have access to command switches (at least, after searching documentation for 1 hour, I couldn't find it. 8.0 + 2003 come with the right hints, however).
3. I was about to give up when I decided to try the free trial version of Acronis TrueImage. Worked like a charm. 30 minutes later, I was (am) in business. No hitch, cloned on automatic mode, using the 2nd hdd adapter in the ultraslim bay, swapped the drives, and got 30g of free space (put an 80 g hdd drive in , up from the old 40). Somehow, the IBM R+R partition now eats 9.5 instead of 4.2 g on the new drive, but what's 5 g between friends? Hope this is useful to someone out there!

fredstev · #2 Post by **fredstev** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:23 am

This is useful information. I've got the same problem coming up on a friend's R40 thinkpad. She has about filled up the original 30 gig hard drive with embroidery patterns and wants me to put a larger hard drive in it. I've been sweating how to move the IBM restore partition and the windows xp install onto the new drive. I'm going to go at it with a usb external drive caddy, though.

Any additional suggestions are welcome.

Edit: added info. Acronis Trueimage 9.0 is starting to look really good after googling different people's experiences. Think I'll be buying it.

brentpresley · #3 Post by **brentpresley** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:24 am

The R+R partition uses more space now because Acronis TI did a proportional cloning of all the partitions. You can use Acronis Disk Director to resize the partitions to reclaim some of that "lost" space.

d lehmann · #4 Post by **d lehmann** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:08 pm

1 I suggest using RR to make recovery cds first.
2 You can use the external to clone a new drive with the software util from the manufacturers site (free). You must first in bios make the hidden partition visible.
3 RR can do this to a ext usb.
4 Be aware that the new release of Acronis is very buggy and can cause problems. It does have problems with some usb ext enclosures. As mentioned, you may need 3rd party software to resize as well. I use it as well, but prefer below.
5 My favorite is the ultra bay adapter from ibm, which comes with software very similar ti Acronis, but much more reliable. Also gives you an easy 2nd hdrive for whatever for your machine. Less than the price of Acronis and shipped in 2 days free from ibm. The software can be used for images and backups as well, just like RR. You can also boot from the ultra bay drive.

jimmi1977 · #5 Post by **jimmi1977** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:05 pm

I recommend using one of these bootable linux cds, and using unix dd utility. I successsfully transferred the whole 80gb drive with restore partition, etc, onto same size hard drive connected via usb2.0 enclosure within hours. If a new hard drive is larger, use some partition resizing tool (again available on a free linux bootable cd) to resize it later. However, after you resize anything, restore partition will stop working (that's why you have your set of recovery cds, right?

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brooklynboy · #6 Post by **brooklynboy** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:55 am

d lehmann wrote:5 My favorite is the ultra bay adapter from ibm, which comes with software very similar ti Acronis, but much more reliable. Also gives you an easy 2nd hdrive for whatever for your machine. Less than the price of Acronis and shipped in 2 days free from ibm. The software can be used for images and backups as well, just like RR. You can also boot from the ultra bay drive.

The software supplied by IBM with the 2nd HDD adapter for my T30 was a bootable Apricorn EZ-Gig floppy. It looks to be trivial to use.

hapzunglam · #7 Post by **hapzunglam** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:25 am

[quote="jimmi1977"]However, after you resize anything, restore partition will stop working (that's why you have your set of recovery cds, right? :))[/quote]

So does it make sense to keep the R&R hidden partition if I want to move to a larger HD??? If indeed the restore partition won't work anymore...

fredstev · #8 Post by **fredstev** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:00 pm

A few general comments here, I'm in the middle of doing a disk clone to a larger hdd in a friend" R40 thinkpad (I know, wrong forum, but this applies to most thinkpads, I believe).

The victim: 3 year old IBM R40 with 20gb hard drive. Doing a clone onto a new WD 60gb hard drive in an ultrabay 2000 caddy.

* tried using the software that came with the ultrabay adapter, EZ-gig ver. 3.51 software (by Apricorn). Did an excellent job, when I moved the new HD into the thinkpad as "C:" drive, it booted up and ran fine. Problem - I still had a 20gb partition with about 40gb "unallocated". Tried several things using compmgmt.msc in the run menu. No joy, couldn't merge partitions without overwriting what I just created.

*Tried again with ez-gig, this time told it to format the whole disk, fat32 (NTFS ain't a choice). I ended up with the primary partition which booted and also about 24 2gb extended partitions lettered E: thru V: more or less. Whoops.

*Tried xxclone www.xxclone.com and same thing happened (albeit slower), it booted, but thought it was a 20gb destination drive.

*I'm now using compmgmt.msc to make the drive in the ultrabay one large NTFS partition. I'll try the apricorn software once more, but I don't know if it supports a 60gb partition.

I really don't want to buy a partition manager program or anything else, I don't do this every day. Any suggestions at this point are welcome.

Edit: Addition - Well, I used Acronis Trueimage and it handled the job very gracefully. Copied the original HD partition to my new drive in the ultrabay, resized the partition to take advantage of the larger drive, and copied the mbr to the new drive. The free trial edition is fully functional for 15 days, so that did the trick for me. I'm tempted to buy the software and use it for backup purposes

leegaard · #9 Post by **leegaard** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:11 pm

jvoth wrote:1. I bought Norton 9.0, and tried to clone the drive. No start possible.
2. I tried using the advice from the Lenovo site (using the -IB switch).It turns out that Norton 9.0 doesn't have access to command switches (at least, after searching documentation for 1 hour, I couldn't find it. 8.0 + 2003 come with the right hints, however).!

I used a normal Norton Ghost 2003 the other day and it has the -ib switch hidden under options in the program itself. As far as I remember the Ghostpe.exe is on the disk on the Ghost 9.0 too - Try to search for it.

brooklynboy · #10 Post by **brooklynboy** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:42 am

According to the instructions for EZ-Gig 3.4, which I have NOT run, it includes a partition-size adjustment utility.

fredstev · #11 Post by **fredstev** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:14 am

brooklynboy wrote:According to the instructions for EZ-Gig 3.4, which I have NOT run, it includes a partition-size adjustment utility.

Yes, I tried that. It would create a partition up to a maximum size of 2gb. I tried several different options, but always the same result. I think that I'm not understanding some basic little thing about primary partitions. The GOOD news is that Acronis Trueimage's default setup does exactly what I was looking for, it simply transfers your old disk's contents and leaves the rest of the new drive empty and formatted.

hoya · #12 Post by **hoya** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:00 pm

I've been using Acronis True Image 9.0 and it is FLAWLESS in every respect. it easily earns my $49.

d lehmann · #13 Post by **d lehmann** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:07 pm

To all:

There is free partitioning software out there that should solve your partitionong problems, if you want to go that route.

leegaard · #14 Post by **leegaard** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:28 pm

d lehmann wrote:To all:

There is free partitioning software out there that should solve your partitionong problems, if you want to go that route.

And which may they be?

d lehmann · #15 Post by **d lehmann** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:27 am

leegaard wrote:
d lehmann wrote:To all:

There is free partitioning software out there that should solve your partitionong problems, if you want to go that route.

And which may they be?

From memory I believe there is at least 1 on "the ultimate boot cd".
I presently use a commercial prog for that, but have used free ones in the past.
Originally I just googled for them.

mobilepilot · #16 Post by **mobilepilot** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:24 am

Can Acronis clone a windows/linux dual boot disk?

reltor · #17 Post by **reltor** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:53 am

I have been eyeing the newer 80 or 100 gig 7200rpm hitachi
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=1638049

Anyone use this drive?
Does OEM work in the thinkpads?
Is the 2010 error a problem only on the t43's?

Thanks

hoya · #18 Post by **hoya** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:52 pm

reltor wrote:I have been eyeing the newer 80 or 100 gig 7200rpm hitachi
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=1638049

Anyone use this drive?
Does OEM work in the thinkpads?
Is the 2010 error a problem only on the t43's?

Thanks

I found that drive to be very loud though extremely fast (the 100gb version is faster than the 80gb because the aereal density is higher). the seagate 7200.1 100gb drive is a better choice if noise bothers you.

check this page for details on flashing the 7K100:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 5ae7cb12b5

this is also a very good source of information on the 2010 error message:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_w ... hard_disks

reltor · #19 Post by **reltor** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:38 pm

hoya wrote:
reltor wrote:I have been eyeing the newer 80 or 100 gig 7200rpm hitachi
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=1638049

Anyone use this drive?
Does OEM work in the thinkpads?
Is the 2010 error a problem only on the t43's?

Thanks
I found that drive to be very loud though extremely fast (the 100gb version is faster than the 80gb because the aereal density is higher). the seagate 7200.1 100gb drive is a better choice if noise bothers you.

check this page for details on flashing the 7K100:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 5ae7cb12b5

this is also a very good source of information on the 2010 error message:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_w ... hard_disks

Do you have to do all of this on a T42? That is what I have. All of the stuff I've read about the eeprom and flashing seems aimed at the T43

hoya · #20 Post by **hoya** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:48 pm

reltor - luckily you don't have to do anything special on your T42. only the T43, X41, and R52 contain SATA to PATA bridge connectors that require compatible firmware. the X60/s, T60, and Z60t do NOT require any special firmware because they all use standard SATA drives.

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