Two beautiful things on a Thinkpad

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Two beautiful things on a Thinkpad

#1 Post by noetus » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:02 am

I wanted to let people know that I recently did two beautiful things on my Thinkpad which have improved the performance and usability of this laptop immensely. (It works for any laptop, but as I'm a Thinkpad lover, I thought I'd share this with you.)

The first was to download and install Priority Master 2006. This allows dynamic control of the relative process priorities of the various programs and processes you have running at any particular time. Properly configured, it means that programs are prevented from hogging processor time, and the programs you want to have most access to the CPU are the ones with most access to the CPU. It makes a big difference to the overall responsiveness of the system, and allows e.g. CD/DVD burning to go on in the background without interfering with other processes. It also helps prevent skipping on audio playback via e.g. Winamp, and generally means that the window you have open in front of you and which you're actually using has highest system priority. Hint #1. If you decide to use this program, do not use the default settings (which have recently changed, with the move from PM 2005 to PM 2005). Take the time to configure the program and set priorities to be applied automatically to the programs you commonly use. Hint #2. Make use of the 'Run List' feature of the program, which gives you greater fine-grained control over priority settings. Hint #3. Don't be put off by the garishness and seeming amateurishness of the program's website. The author knows what he is doing with this.

(I first became acquainted with this program in 2004, when it only cost $10. Great value, with free upgrades, too.)

The second thing was to download and install SuperSpeed's RamDisk program which allowed me to set up a Ram Disk and put the system Paging File there. I know there is a lot of controversy on the forums about the advisability of putting the Paging File on to a RAM Disk (it seems to be a circular thing to do) but Windows works in funny ways, and I have found the effect to be just, well, awesome. Once the various programs I typicallly use are up and running I now get hardly any disk access when swapping between them or using them to do things (eg surfing online, streaming internet radio to loudspeakers, etc) unless I specifically request disk access through a file open/save, etc, or launch a new application. It makes for an almost instantaneous response from the system as a whole (and improves battery life, too, since the HDD has more opportunity to spin down if I have it set to do that). It's quite amazing. I know that people sometimes advise turning off the Paging File in Windows altogether if you have enough RAM, but I have 1GB of RAM and I have tried that in the past, with mixed and sometimes erratic results, including freeze-ups, so I abandoned that method. 1GB of RAM is probably a minimal amount for trying out something like this RAM Disk solution, and so eventually I may slot in another 512MB. In the meantime, though, I have 245-245 (min-max) MB of Paging File on the new RamDisk, drive S:, and a further 256-512 (min-max) MB of Paging File on the C: drive. (The Windows default is 1.5 GB on the C: drive -definitely overkill if you have 1GB or more of RAM, unless you are using extremely memory hungry applications.) A nice feature of this setup is that if you have multiple paging files on multiple disks, Windows automatically uses the one on the fastest drive first, switching to the next fastest only when the first one is full. Of course that means that the RAM Disk Paging File has a higher priority, exactly what you want. I set up a new Management Console to monitor the progress of the Paging File usage and so far, with a bunch of applications used for over an hour (over 100 concurrent processes in total) there has been less than 1MB of the PageFile used on the C: drive. As I said, I noticed hardly any HDD access, except when launching/quitting applications and opening/saving files. Not only have I found much better responsiveness than I got when I tried switching off the Paging File altogether (the other solution I mentioned some people advocate) but also there isn't the problem of running out of memory and the system freezing up you have with that, since the second Paging File on the C: drive acts as a kind of backup, for when memory gets really low.

I hope people don't mind me posting on this forum with a non Thinkpad-specific topic, but I thought all you Thinkpad users might like to hear about this, and find further reasons to be in love with using your Thinkpads! I just cannot believe how amazingly super-smooth my system is running now! (By the way, in case anyone read the above and thought I was going a bit too fast with the technical stuff, I'll explain in more detail in another post if requested.)

The moral of this story, actually two moreals: Your CPU cycles are MEANT to be used; USE them, and use them WISELY! Your MEMORY is there to be USED, USE it, and use it WISELY! This is the way multi-tasking was supposed to be! Wow...

Note: Moved to the proper forum. :) -Wolf

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Hmm ...!

#2 Post by sco1984 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:24 pm

:arrow: Software tweaking is not a all time good option. There are
many vendors like "tweak UI" and etc. Depends on an operating system
too. I use Windows® inbuilt tweaking tools which are easy to use like
Indexing services , Defragment and other's.

:arrow: Another thing, processor is also an major element. Thoese tools
were famous when peoples were running Pentium III laptops and were
dying for faster speed in less money.

:arrow: Now Intel® Centrino® technology makes our computing much
easier. Multi tasking is the main focused criteria by Centrino engineer's.
And secondly Centrino based laptops generates low heat. For example my IBM® ThinkPad® R50e which is Centrino 1.5 , i run it for 14-15
hours continuesly , 8 hours it runs on internet and it remains ON and
downloading more than 600 MB files every night non stop. And at morning
songs and etc. Over all performance of Thinkpad's are incredible that
nobody need to think of buying those tools. :)


:arrow: For real life exmple, check out Toshiba's Satellite series laptop
's bottom. The CPU or vantilation fan what ever you call, is mounted at
bottom which is a reverse engineering , Now take a look at any IBM®
Thinkpad® laptop , Their heat sink is mount at left hand side of laptop.
Those small things makes a lot of sence. ANd the 1 who finds, He always
buy Thinkpad® . Money is no longer issue about buying Thinkpad. There
are many issues and unlimited talk on this subject..Anyway..This is my
opinion , what you guys say ? :D

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#3 Post by jdhurst » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:47 pm

Has anyone beside the author here used Priority Master? The website claim is outlandish (2 - 10X faster) as my machine runs the same speed (fast) if I disable all the unnecessary programs and services as if I leave them running.

Second, it matters not to me where you park your pagefile, but I keep mine on the hard drive, and it never slows things down. I keep hearing that the pagefile bogs things down, but I have not seen it myself.
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#4 Post by noetus » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:33 am

I agree that the author makes outlandish claims on the website, and designed a pretty lousy and generally off-putting website, too, which makes it look like he is not aiming at serious computer users. That's a pity. But there's no need to think that his claims are good (or his website) to think this program is useful, and I think the design philosophy is pretty sound - though I am way off being anything like knowledgeable on these matters. It just makes sense to me that manual setting of priorities is going to help, and I have found that it does help reduce bottle necks when lots of different applications are competing for processor time. Especially when you're dealing with compute bound processes. (The SETI program made my system completely unusable before I installed Priority Master, as it hogged all processor time. After installing PM I could set it to run in the background with 'Idle' priority, so I didn't even notice it was there.)

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#5 Post by christopher_wolf » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:54 am

I run BOINC (SETI, Folding) and it seems to automatically put itself in the background and only use up lots of CPU power when it needs to.

I will give this a try just to check it out, yet I don't think it can improve my speed any further without adding hardware. ;) :)
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#6 Post by Navck » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:58 am

I hate the windows defragmenter myself, if you interrupt it, corrupt files. Its slow too. (Previous experiance off my older computer) I use another one called O&O defrag. Much faster for me.

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#7 Post by sco1984 » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:07 pm

Well , if you are a geniun Windows user that problem never arises .
Some good practises are :arrow:

Keep drives on NTFS file system

Enable Indexing services

Do not use third party fragmentation tools

Tweaking Windows by its own tools is always been a good and safe
idea.

Microsoft engineers built Defrag in Win NT systems for some reason. I
guess they didnt mean to build it just for fun. There is a big book regarding to increasing page files in various Windows OS's and about
Defragmentation and Windows systems.

And another point is >>>> What if i am using Linux operating system
on my laptop? Yes i am running Mandriva 2006 in the combination of
Windows XP pro. :D


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#8 Post by jdhurst » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:16 pm

sco1984 wrote: Some good practises are:
<snip>
Enable Indexing services
Do not use third party fragmentation tools
Tweaking Windows by its own tools is always been a good and safe
idea.
<snip>
Not necessarily!
I run hot and cold on indexing services. Microsoft indexing is a resource hog. In terms of defrag, Perfect Disk is *vastly* superior to the Windows built-in defrag (which is DiskKeeper Lite). I generally agree with tweaking Windows with its own tools, but Cache Sentry Pro (as one example) does a vastly superior job of managing cache than Windows. FreeMem Pro works well in addition.

And please, stop with the coloured bold type and just use good old black text. Thank you much.

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#9 Post by GomJabbar » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:29 pm

sco1984 wrote:Well , if you are a geniun Windows user that problem never arises .
Some good practises are :arrow:

Do not use third party fragmentation tools

Tweaking Windows by its own tools is always been a good and safe
idea.
Must have vested interests in Microsoft :idea: :roll:
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#10 Post by icantux » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:34 pm

jdhurst wrote:
Not necessarily!
I run hot and cold on indexing services. Microsoft indexing is a resource hog. In terms of defrag, Perfect Disk is *vastly* superior to the Windows built-in defrag (which is DiskKeeper Lite).

... JD Hurst
Couldn't agree more! Perfect Disk is a fantastic app and keeps my system running much smoother than it would using Windows' own defrag utility. The option of defragging the bootfiles (at boot no less!) is an added bonus. Using this program and other tweaks (disabling certain services I have no use for), disabling the indexing service altogether have proven well-worth the trouble to research and implement these features. My system boot time decreased to under 21 seconds (from power on to full working desktop) and it's as fast as a little computer like mine can be. I'm all smiles!
:)
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#11 Post by noetus » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:39 am

jdhurst wrote: I generally agree with tweaking Windows with its own tools, but Cache Sentry Pro (as one example) does a vastly superior job of managing cache than Windows. FreeMem Pro works well in addition.

... JD Hurst
Isn't CacheSentry Pro for the Internet Explorer web cache, not the system file cache? I use O&O CleverCache for the Windows system cache, but I don't know how it compares to others.

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#12 Post by jdhurst » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:26 am

[quote="noetus
Isn't CacheSentry Pro for the Internet Explorer web cache, not the system file cache? I use O&O CleverCache for the Windows system cache, but I don't know how it compares to others.[/quote]

Yes. It is often the Explorer cache that bogs things down, and I keep that cache small and managed.

I clear out temp folders with batch commands on every log off, and I keep System Restore to a manageable size.
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#13 Post by noetus » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:54 pm

I have 2GB RAM, with 800MB given over to a RAMDisk (from Superspeed) where my 800MB page file resides... The system is very slick, with near-instant availability of all windows, and currently near 1000 threads running. I think the following two are correct, but am not sure:

a) Having the page file resident on a RAM disk is better than switching the pagefile off, because of the way Windows manages memory. (Incidentally, this RAM Disk is immume from 'double paging' - it won't itself get paged.) True or false?

b) Compressing the RAMDisk where the pagefile resides further improves performace. At the moment the PF Usage in Task Manager is showing 2.17GB, with 307MB of physical RAM still available, and 60% of Page File on RamDisk used (Console, not Task Manager statistic). The Commit Charge limit is 2758468 kB, significantly more than the 2GB of RAM total I have. Since I have the entire PageFile residing on the RAMDisk, with nothing paged to disk, the only way I can explain these figures is because the PageFile is residing on the RAMDisk which is compressed. True or False?

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