Google China

[Kyocera]

Just know what I have heard on NPR but it seems rather arrogant of google to follow the chinese governments guidelines for filtering out "certain" historical search items/information using their engine.

Have not heard much about this from the main stream media.

[K. Eng]

Have not heard much about this from the main stream media.

It was all over CNN and MSNBC a few weeks ago. There were Congressional hearings on it... Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo received some harsh words from various legislators.

There's not been much coverage recently, probably because of all the coverage surrounding the sale of seaport operations centers to the Dubai World Ports in the UAE.

[DIGITALgimpus]

Ironically next door they were demanding google hand over search data.

Censorship is evil... monitoring citizens is devine.

Kinda sad.

[Kyocera]

It was all over CNN and MSNBC a few weeks ago. There were Congressional hearings on it... Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo received some harsh words from various legislators.

Hmmm, that is interesting, I definately don't watch CNN or MSNBC, I know there was some coverage but not the outrage I would have expected. I do catch NPR on the long trek home and they had been giving the UAE deal and the google china issue spotty coverage, the Cheny hunting accident received way more.

[AlphaKilo470]

I do catch NPR on the long trek home and they had been giving the UAE deal and the google china issue spotty coverage, the Cheny hunting accident received way more.

Prime example of mismatched priorites and bias in the media I think.

[Kyocera]

AlphaKilo

Prime example of mismatched priorites and bias in the media I think.

Just think, if the person Cheny shot was somehow involved with google, I guess that would have been on non-stop.

[440roadrunner]

I was tremendously disturbed by Googles liason with China. One of their excuses was that it was the only way to give the Chinese ANY internet service, (or was it the only way Google was going to get money out of the Chinese?)

Anyhow, it strikes me, that if people like Google are willing to control information with the Chinese, they why not with anyone, including the U.S. govt? Hell, Google and the U.S. govt could rewrite history.

[AlphaKilo470]

I'm still waiting for Google to start a religious originization, the Church of The Almighty Google. Until then, I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go driving with Ted Kennedy.

[tfflivemb2]

Until then, I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go driving with Ted Kennedy.

ROTFLMAO

[DIGITALgimpus]

I'm still waiting for Google to start a religious originization, the Church of The Almighty Google. Until then, I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go driving with Ted Kennedy.

Either way they both have a long history of abusing alcohol especially doing dangerous things. It's a death sentence regardless.

Not sure why everyone feels sorry for the lawyer... if you go hunting with Dick Cheney, you know there's a fair chance of being shot. He obviously knew the risks, and went for it.

[AlphaKilo470]

Well, with the hunting, both people were stupid that day. Dick Cheney should have known to be less impulsive and know his surroundings nd the lawyer should have known to NEVER EVER surprise someone while they're aiming a gun. It's just common sense gone AWOL on both ends of the gun. This is an accident that can happen to any two buddies who aren't paying attention and acting as smart as they should and as stupid as the accident was and it should have been avoided, it is getting way too much media attention. Some of these news makers are trying to make Cheney out to be a serial killer or something and that's really not the case.

[christopher_wolf]

I really *can't* help myself and I know that hunting accidents aren't funny, BUT; the first thought that came to my mind?

"Rumsfeld would have finished the job cleanly"

Ahhh Lord...I have been listening to too many Jeff Foxworthy jokes.

[onlywang]

Just know what I have heard on NPR but it seems rather arrogant of google to follow the chinese governments guidelines for filtering out "certain" historical search items/information using their engine.

Have not heard much about this from the main stream media.

hehe

[BillMorrow]

I really *can't* help myself and I know that hunting accidents aren't funny, BUT; the first thought that came to my mind?

"Rumsfeld would have finished the job cleanly"

Ahhh Lord...I have been listening to too many Jeff Foxworthy jokes.

cheny is the straight man to millions of humorists from professiolan grade to dime grade..

and thats where that story belongs..
a few good "politician shoots lawyer" jokes..

the media had a feeding frenzy and some of THEM should have been shot..

humor aside, IMO it was a personal thing and should not have been the subject of so much media frenzy..

to me, the forth estate has begun to take itself way too seriously..
just like the muslims rioting over *CARTOONS* of all things..

[meanestfish]

the media had a feeding frenzy and some of THEM should have been shot..

humor aside, IMO it was a personal thing and should not have been the subject of so much media frenzy..

to me, the forth estate has begun to take itself way too seriously..
just like the muslims rioting over *CARTOONS* of all things..

Nobody has out and out said it, but it's pretty obvious that Cheney was drunk and concealed the accident long enough to sober up so that he wouldn't be convicted of a felony. Surely, the media has no place putting so much attention on such a personal matter as the vice president diverting federal resources to cover up his own felonious conduct.

[Kyocera]

meanestfish:

Nobody has out and out said it, but it's pretty obvious that Cheney was drunk and concealed the accident long enough to sober up so that he wouldn't be convicted of a felony. Surely, the media has no place putting so much attention on such a personal matter as the vice president diverting federal resources to cover up his own felonious conduct.

Or, it really was an accident.
Or, the guy walked into the line of fire.
Or, the flying speghetti monster sent pirates to shoot him and start a conspiracy.
Or, Cheny is really is just a mean mean guy and shot him for the publicity.

[440roadrunner]

Surely, the media has no place putting so much attention on such a personal matter as the vice president diverting federal resources to cover up his own felonious conduct.

I'm asking nicely, here. Would you please read carefully what you just posted, and then go think about that for awhile?

I'm not even sure IF this was "felonious", but the media--and the public (!) has EVERY right to know of a potential deadly event at the hands of someone like the vice president. ALL that fat slob had to do, was come out IMMEDIATELY to the press with a statement. "I shot my friend, I feel badly, and it was a terrible accident." End of story, or it would have been.

But NO, he had to go into silent hiding--like he's done since, uh, elected. (I am not a Democrat, nor do I play one on TV)


I don't trust that guy. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, if, someday, someone digs up some bodies in one of his former back yards.

[Kyocera]

440roadrunner:

ALL that fat slob had to do, was come out IMMEDIATELY to the press with a statement. "I shot my friend, I feel badly, and it was a terrible accident." End of story, or it would have been.

No, it just would have started the feeding frenzy a few hours earlier, they are after Chenys blood and will sensationalize anything to get at it.

[meanestfish]

Or, it really was an accident.
Or, the guy walked into the line of fire.
Or, the flying speghetti monster sent pirates to shoot him and start a conspiracy.
Or, Cheny is really is just a mean mean guy and shot him for the publicity.

Those theories seem pretty far fetched to me. If you mean to say that there's been a lot of speculation so far which has been obviously implausible, I agree. If you mean to just trot those wacky statements out to indirectly imply that the likely story, that he hung tight until sober, is just as implausible, then I've got to object. That's just muddying the waters.

That he might have hung tight for 24 hours without letting anyone on the ranch so he could detoxify a little is extremely plausible. He doesn't need a felony charge right now. Given his position, I would have done the same exact thing. The man has a history of drinking and then operating machinery when he shouldn't be.

[Kyocera]

My first thought when I heard the new of the incident was "wow what a terrible thing to happen during probably the very few hours that the VP has for recreation and any type of relaxation, his good friend getting shot". I live in a part of North Carolina where hunting is a favorite past time and you can be sure that the local news has reports of hunting accidents every year, this year a 12 yr old boy shot and killed another hunter, I don't think he was drunk, or at least it was not reported that way, it was reported as a part of life in the real world where when you go hunting in the woods dressed in camo, you may accidently be mistaken for a target, the kids story (who was with his grandpa) said they both thought the guy was a target (deer or whatever). I'm not saying Cheny thought his friend was a target, just that when people (civilians/military/anyone) has a dangerous object in thier possession bad things can and do happen.

[meanestfish]

Can you think of a legitimate reason why Cheney, despite having two secret service agents and other high level staff present, along with means of easy communication with the white house, chose to black out all contact for a day, not leave the property, and turn away sherrifs deputies without allowing them onto the property during that period? Hunting accidents happen, but they usually aren't attended by circumstances like these. The only explanation I can think of is that he was sobering up in that time to avoid a felony rap. Can you come up with a plausible alternative explanation?

Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with the poor [censored]. With his medication he can get drunk as hell off very little alcohol.

[AlphaKilo470]

Either that or Cheney was smart enough to know that an ambulance and the hospital staff would be more helpful to his freind than would a ton of cameramen and obnoxious reporters and pundits. That and when you just realized you accidently shot your friend, letting America know about it is not the first thing on your mind, if you are a decent person that is. Also, if Cheney really was drunk as you say and simply trying to avoid a felony, then why was the victim in this case so easy to say no charges are to be pressed after recovering?

Hmm, in retrospect, maybe we need to either rename this thread or make a new one. Not too sure how we got to this subject, maybe it was that joke I made several posts back, but I don't see relation to Google with this.

[dsvochak]

Can you come up with a plausible alternative explanation?

Because keeping things secret is the natural inclination of the Vice President in an administration that, if they thought of it, might declare the information that the sun comes up in the east to be classified. And we all know that divulging classified information is contrary to national security.

Seriously, VP Cheney seems to be the sort of person who is only comfortable releasing information that is in his best interest, or shows him in the most favorable light. This information did not.

[AlphaKilo470]

Well, yeah, of course telling the press that he shot his buddy is not in the best interest of Cheney. Would you tell everyone around what happened if you accidently shot your friend? Probably not. Also, I'm leaning towards to the fact that having a swarm of cameramen, reporters, lawyers, politicians and pundits surround the victims hospital bed would not provide the best aid for recovery. As I have stated in my last post, if this really was some big conspiracy, then why was Cheney's victim so easy to say he won't press charges and all is well? Honestly folks, this isn't China or Cuba or Russia, people have successfully litigated against our politicians without retribution. I think that many of these claims being made by the media and the left-wingers are nothing more than farfetched.

Though now that I've reconsidered things, I'm actually willing to denounce all of my words and side with Kyocera on his suggestion that the Spaghetti Monster had part in this. We all know about that creatures ties to the Pasta Goblin, hell, the Pasta Goblin is probably the one who set this thing up!

[Navck]

Before everyone calls the chinese "Red Commie [censored]" like some previous boards I went to, lets show a US example of being capitalistic (In a bad sense)
I had a teacher in 8th grade, shes still alive.
She has this nice mobile home (Not a RV or such, but a literal mobile home from the 1950s or back more)
Now the land shes on is going to be taken and made into a campsite.
Pretty much everyone in the community fought for their land (Which they wern't getting anything for having it taken and turned into a campsite) They lost.
Guess what? They're being kicked off their land, their mobile homes sold, nothing recieved but a nice "GET OFF OUR LAND NOW" (No, they don't get the money back from their mobile homes)
Welcome to California

[Kyocera]

Well, sadly for the press the issue was pretty much over when the victim of the shooting gave a heartfelt statement, which included how sorry he felt for the ridiculous and outrageous behaviour of the press toward the VP, that he was fine, will live to hunt again, probably with the VP at the same club, now that would be a story that would never be told.

[Navck]

Also - Just some nice information from my mother (US Resident for 15+ years)
"You can sue a Chinese offical if he shoots you while hunting and have a fair chance of winning"
Theres no special exemption (From what I hear) for shooting a guy accidentaly in hunting and avoiding a case in court even if you're in the government as a high ranking offical.
But this information might be outdated.

[Kyocera]

When I heard the google china story my amazement was more in the fact that the american press, aclu, Gloria Alred, and all the other self proclaimed freedom fighters of our country were not headhunting google execs.

[Navck]

The thing is, the news networks... Like to "distort" the story a bit to be more interesting.
Heres a fun fact, I have 3 adult family members + 2 cousins in China(Total of 5), life is pretty much like it is in America right now for them.

[GomJabbar]

if this really was some big conspiracy, then why was Cheney's victim so easy to say he won't press charges and all is well?

Not everyone is so quick to file a lawsuit. If I was hunting with a friend or acquaintance and they shot me under simular circumstances, I would certainly not be a happy camper, but I don't believe I would file charges or sue. Besides, if Cheney was drinking, his victim might have been also. They could have both been brought up on charges.

Of course, when you have the horsepower of someone like Cheney, it is often easy to get "favors" from law enforcement, politico's and others. I have personal knowledge of a secretary who was driving a high-level judge's car because of an accident that prevented the judge from driving his own car. This secretary was stopped by the police with the judge riding as passenger. The policeman proceeded to write this secretary a ticket for an expired safety sticker. The judge pointed out to the policeman that the car was his and that he should get the ticket rather than the driver. The policeman said no, the ticket goes to the driver. In the course of events the policeman found out who the passenger actually was (the high-level judge). Immediately the ticket was torn up.