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#1 Post by bhtooefr » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:22 am

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After a bunch of customs hassles (read: UPS guy playing package football), it's finally here, and works great.

Quasi-review of the R51e:

That flexy case area over the optical drive that plagues all R5xe models affects this. Not nice sound when flexing it with the screen shut.

Keyboard's not as nice as my old X21, but then again, it blows Dell's keyboards out of the water.

The nubby TrackPoint cap is NICE. (Soft Dome? Is that the name for it?) Tons of control over the thing.

Software seems to work better than on the R50e that I set up not too long ago, which was purchased not long after Lenovo bought the Think division.

Speed is... WOW. Compared to my slow-as-heck X21, anyway :P

The Lenovo influence is just amazing. Outer box: no mention of IBM. Inner box: One "Copyright International Business Machines". Open that, you get the "Lenovo bought the Think division" flyer. No other mention of IBM, except for copyright notices, until you get the battery and AC adaptor, and then the laptop.

Boot the laptop. BIOS no longer says "IBM ThinkPad", it says "ThinkPad" and "a product of Lenovo". Almost every IBM reference has been nuked. This isn't an IBM, my friends. This is a Lenovo. There's a reason why my sig doesn't say IBM. I was going to put "(a product of Lenovo :roll:)", but didn't have room.
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#2 Post by wolfman » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:06 am

Cool - congrats on the new laptop! With a gig of ram in that machine with 1 meg L2 cache, should perform quite nicely.
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#3 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:08 am

How's the screen and battery life on the unit?

Also, how long did it take to adjust to the extra size/thickness/weight?
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#4 Post by bhtooefr » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:18 am

Actually, wolfman, it's only 768. Future upgrade plan: swap out the under-keyboard stick for another 512. But, that's future.

AlphaKilo: There's a bit of brightness fade to it at full brightness - the bottom's a touch brighter than the top. However, it's not bad at all. The screen is much brighter than my old X21's screen, FWIW, and color is good. Response time is dog slow, even my X21 beats it. Sure, I'm comparing 2006's budget technology to 2001's high end tech, but in five years, decent response time screens should have propagated to the low end ;)

It feels like 45ms, and the X21 felt like about 25.

Battery life is in the 2 to 2.5 hour area. Better than my dying X21, but not a good X21.

Adjusting to the size is a little hard, but the thickness and weight isn't, as a 14.1" R51e weighs about as much as an X21 on the UltraBase, and is thinner.
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#5 Post by FRiC » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:16 am

How about the running temperature? I'm really interested in getting a R51e but I want to know more about the ATI chipset...

There are different types of 14.1" screens. My new R52 came with a Hydis screen that looks much better than the Samsung screen my other R52 has.
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#6 Post by bhtooefr » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:20 am

I've yet to install NHC on it, but plan to.

The laptop is best described as warm, but not hot, and only in the heatsink area. The fan, at least on mine, AGRESSIVELY cycles. At higher speeds, it sounds like a dustbuster, but with every CPU spike, it goes from low to high back to low. I don't need a CPU usage gauge, I can just listen to the fan.

Where's that link to look up the part numbers that a laptop is composed of, FWIW?

Edit: Found the link (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... sLookup.vm), but have a problem with that.

My laptop is composed of one part, according to it - 184335U. I knew that, you idiots - I wanted to know which screen and keyboard :P
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#7 Post by bhtooefr » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:04 pm

NHC installed. At 100% CPU, low GPU load, I'm getting 64-65C. Nice, coming from a lappy that had 100% CPU loads in the high 90s, sometimes extending to the point where it would throttle before it got to 100C. (I ran underclocked to prevent that, of course :P)
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#8 Post by bhtooefr » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:11 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Fire up a game, and notice a little something when the screen's black.

It can't be, can it?

I download Dead Pixel Buddy.

Oh, $#!7, it IS what I think it is.

A single stuck subpixel, stuck on blue.
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#9 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:30 pm

Ouch! That's gotta suck. I've heard stories of support replacing screens free of charge though, maybe you could call support and have them do that and at the same time hope for a nicer screen that has a brighter image.
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#10 Post by firestarter » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:34 pm

Congratulations.
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#11 Post by tfflivemb2 » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:29 pm

firestarter wrote:Congratulations.
:shock:

I certainly hope that the congrats was relating to the arrival of the R51e and not the stuck pixel.

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#12 Post by thePCxp » Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:40 am

Congratulations on getting your R51e bhtooefr! :)
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#13 Post by bhtooefr » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:41 am

Thanks.

Anyway, I looked up the dead pixel policy. This is PATHETIC.

LCD resolution: XGA 1024 x 768 resolution
Screen size: 14.1inch
ThinkPad systems: A20m, A21m, A22m, A30, A31
G40, G41
R30, R31, R32, R40, R40e, R50, R50e, R51, R51e, R52
T20, T21, T22, T23, T30, T40, T41, T42, T42p, T43, T43p, T60, T60p
i Series 1400, 1500, 1800
390E, 390X
Bright dots: 8
Dark dots: 8
Bright and dark dots: 9

Notes:
Lenovo will not provide replacement if the LCD is within specification as we can not guarantee that any replacement LCD will have zero pixel defects.
A bright dot means a pixel is always on (white or color).
A dark dot means a pixel is always off (black color).
One pixel consists of R, G, B sub-pixels.

I have a single bright dot made up of one stuck sub-pixel. Not eight. :evil:
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#14 Post by Kyocera » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:41 am

Maybe just return it for "spite". :evil:

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#15 Post by tfflivemb2 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:42 am

What about a return under the 30 day no questions asked return, and then reorder it?

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#16 Post by bhtooefr » Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:06 am

I'd rather live with the stuck subpixel than order ANOTHER one, and have to pay shipping to get rid of this one, AND shipping on the new one.

I'm thinking about leaving the lappy in my car's trunk overnight though.

Make a few dead pixels.

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#17 Post by tfflivemb2 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:17 am

Have you been able to run the other programs mentioned throughout this forum to try to "unstick" the pixel, besides Dead Pixel buddy?

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#18 Post by bhtooefr » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:52 pm

I'm attempting to run UndeadPixel right now.

It's not done anything yet, BUT, I've only run it for 5 minutes, with a little bit of massaging.
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#19 Post by dr_st » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:28 am

I have 4 dead pixels on my 15" SXGA+ if it makes you feel any better.

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#20 Post by bhtooefr » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:01 am

A couple hours of UndeadPixel did nothing, even with the occasional massage while it was running.

:cry:

At least I'm not the only one...
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#21 Post by dr_st » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:34 am

Dead pixels cannot be brought to life. Stuck pixels often can.

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#22 Post by bhtooefr » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:53 am

Well, see, it's a stuck pixel. ;) The name of the program is just UndeadPixel, even though they say it won't work on true dead pixels.

Stuck on blue. So, all colors are #xxxxFF for that pixel.
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