Anyone else with a T60 that won't resume from standby?

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darrenf · #1 Post by **darrenf** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:04 pm

Does anyone else have a T60 that won't resume from standby? I'm going to troubleshoot the problem further but I wanted to make sure I wasn't fighting a hardware problem.

Thanks!

-darren

danny_isr · #2 Post by **danny_isr** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:25 am

funny , some problems move from generation to generation

darrenf · #3 Post by **darrenf** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:35 am

This was due to some driver that came over in my drive clone. I eliminated startup tasks and services as causes and it still wouldn't wake up from standby.

I (reluctantly) decided to restore the stock T60 drive image, sans pre-desktop area, and build up my install from there. 12 hours later... <yawn>... the rebuild is about half complete and suspend/resume still works.

-darren

christopher_wolf · #4 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:10 pm

Do you know what driver caused it? Bootvis can log the re-initialization of the driver and the resources it requests from the OS upon resume.

darrenf · #5 Post by **darrenf** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:17 pm

No, I just gave up. I've not had much luck with bootvis in the past, but that was for other applications. Perhaps it would have worked in this case.

The particular circumstance was that when I opened the lid (or pressed Fn if I suspended from the keyboard) the battery light came on and the HDD light would come on momentarily but the moon never turned off and the screen never came on. I waited 1/2 hour but it never came to life and I didn't see any reaction to keypresses.

Oh well, it's working now that I started over. I just have to find a solution to the high minimum clockrate now.

-darren

stephenaron · #6 Post by **stephenaron** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:43 pm

My screen wont turn back on after my T60p screen goes black when on battery. The machine doesnt suspend, just the screen turns off, but wont turn back on. Help?

darrenf · #7 Post by **darrenf** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:47 pm

Same here. And this is after going back to the stock build.

Please let me know if you make any headway on the issue.

Thanks!

-darren

stephenaron · #8 Post by **stephenaron** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:56 pm

I too formatted using hte built in image, and no better. WIll let you know if i find something.

Scratch · #9 Post by **Scratch** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:23 am

I've been commenting on this in this thread

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 265#147265

in conjunction with other issues. Just wanted to put it here as well.

Same problem with display resume function both on AC and battery.

Running T'Pad Video Package 8.204-051220a1-031127C-Lenovo which was just downloaded and installed yesterday.

Scratch · #10 Post by **Scratch** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:37 am

Fn key + spacebar (Screen Zoom Function) will bring the screen out of sleep mode. It will jump to a zoomed view, hit it again and Bob's your uncle. Not a great workaround, but it's something.

abisys · #11 Post by **abisys** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:43 am

im using standby mode more often with no problems. When i hit Fn+f4 it goes to standby. When i open the lid it comes back with out any problem, even with network enabled. Im not even using Fn + keys to wakeup.

Scratch · #12 Post by **Scratch** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:55 am

Full standby mode isn't the issue. It's an issue with the screen not turning back on after the power savings manager has turned it off.

One method to get it back is to hit Fn +F4 and then any key to resume.

It is just faster to hit Fn + Spacebar as this way the machine doesn't have to enter standby and then resume which might also require a finger swipe or password.

BELAY ALL THAT...

This only seems to work within a certain time limit from the screen timeout. Just left the desk for ~45 mins and returned to find the the machine still refuses to go to StandBy and the Fn + SpcBr no longer brings it back.

Scratch · #13 Post by **Scratch** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:43 pm

So to continue my StandBy/Screen Power Savings saga...

The T60p has not been powered down or restarted since my last communique yesterday. Did some design work on it until about 3am and changed nothing other than setting the Screen Off timeout to an hour so it wouldn't blow up my ProEngineer session. Closed the lid at 3am and hit the rack.

Got to the office this morning and my bleary eyes spotted the Windows Update shield icon in the systray. It was a WinDefender update from MS. I allowed the system to install it (no restart req'd) and went back to work.

I started thinking about the T'Pad updates that I installed yesterday and the fact that shaking up the system restored some missing funtionality. So...

I set the screen timer to one minute and resumed it by moving the mouse after 15 secs. It came back no issues. Repeated this at 30 secs, 1 min, 2 min, 5 min, 15 min, 30 min and 45 mins.

No issues yet.

Why would something like a WinDefender update make a difference to a power mgr issue? or did it? If not, what else changed? and why? I ran nothing last night that I wasn't running during the screen resume problem period yesterday. I teminated no services and installed/deinstalled nothing other than WinDef update.

I'm glad it's functioning again, but not happy that I don't know why.

Must be Gremlins.

stephenaron · #14 Post by **stephenaron** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:01 pm

I have the same issues with having screen come back on after it turns off, but i doubt that defender fixed anything. I will keep checking, and vice versa. Hope someone figures it out.

Scratch · #15 Post by **Scratch** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:34 pm

I agree with you on the Defender thing, stephenaron. It's just hard to understand how the system and power management can right itself without a restart or even a logoff in the process.

The system is as right as rain at this point, but I continue to wonder how it happened.

Perhaps it saw that I was browsing the Apple store.

darrenf · #16 Post by **darrenf** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:35 pm

Could it behave differently following a suspend/resume that following a fresh boot?

-darren

Scratch · #17 Post by **Scratch** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:02 pm

That's a good question.

I'm not intimate enough with the process to know what occurs during the suspend/resume process and if it could self correct, but if it does it's a hell of a feature...almost as good as not having the problem in the first place.

ooshnoo · #18 Post by **ooshnoo** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:02 am

Has anyone had any luck fixing this?

We've got a couple brand new T60s that exhibit this very behavior...well kinda.

I’ll close the lid at night and let it sleep. When I wake it up in the morning everything works fine until the display goes to sleep. When I try to wake it up, I can’t, not with the keyboard or the mouse.

I can get the display to come back via Function-F7 or Fn-Space Bar, but if it sleeps again, the problem comes back.

The only solution is to restart the computer. This only happens after waking from sleep by opening the lid.

All drivers are up to date

darrenf · #19 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:21 am

This is a different problem and as far as I know there is no solution yet for the afflicted machines (mine included). The blank screen is caused (sometimes) when power management blanks the screen. The only solution that I've found is to disable screen blanking or live with the necessity to use Fn-F7 to get the display back following the event. In my case I do the later (Fn-F7).

If anyone has found a fix for this, please post.

-darren

Mobile_Mike · #20 Post by **Mobile_Mike** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:22 am

For those of you that are experiencing this problem and have a T60 with Integrated graphics (i.e.: machine type 1951-xxx) this may be a problem with the integrated graphics driver.

You can verify this is the problem. When the machine gets into this condition, if you have an external display available, plug it into the Thinkpad. If it displays on the external monitor then this is your problem...

Just my $.02 worth

darrenf · #21 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:03 pm

FWIW, it happens on my display and it's a V5200.

-darren

irfan · #22 Post by **irfan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:14 pm

I have a similar issue with my T60. Screen comes back from the standby, but only the background image, neither the taskbar nor anything else.

I uninstalled CSS7, and the problem is now gone. I was holding myself back for blaiming lenovo. But now, after the buggy bios 1.06 and css7, I am blaiming lenovo. Do not tell me I can not blame them. I can, after all, I bought this computer from lenovo, not from dell or someone else. DO MORE TESTING BEFORE RELEASE!!!

darrenf · #23 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:04 pm

That's a different problem than mine. I don't even get a backlight. It appears that the laptop is switching to external video (only) when it blanks the screen.

-darren

irfan · #24 Post by **irfan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:18 pm

These are really very annoying problems. I have been trying to fix these dumb problems for 2 months. first the grainy display issue, then the bluetooth issue, and now the standby issue. I feel that this is really does not worth 2500$.

Scratch · #25 Post by **Scratch** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:06 pm

I still see this issue on occasion, but I've given up complaining about it as the response is always the same... "We can't duplicate it on our similarly configured system" or the ever popular "This is the first we've heard of it".

This is frustrating because it's really intermittent now. I find that it occurs more often if I dock and undock without restarting. I rarely power down and leave large assembly modeling sessions up to avoid the load time. If the machine remains undocked consistently it rarely happens (if ever) anymore.

The last BIOS and Video Package seems to have addressed the issue for the most part in my recent experience, but (and I say this in the most positive spirit I can muster) LENOVO had better get their service and support back up to IBM par soon or they'll be just just another option with nothing to differentiate them from the herd of also rans.

jwbekens · #26 Post by **jwbekens** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:39 pm

I have had my 2623-ddu for about a month. No problems until 3 days ago. When the lid is closed and I am docked in the advanced dock, the laptop will not standby or hybernate. Doesn't work with Fn F4 or Fn F12. But all is fine when I am undocked. If I boot undocked and then dock, closing the lid will sometimes allow standby once. then I am left with a black screen and must shutdown to reboot. Rarely, I can undock and the machine will standby. IBM is sending a new dock, but I don't think that's gonna fix it. If power manager is set to have lid closing do nothing, then lid closing does nothing while docked. I think it is a power manager problem.

hoya · #27 Post by **hoya** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:45 am

I'm also having issues resuming from standby, but a different problem from what is described above. here is my thread with a link to a video of what I'm seeing when resuming from standby (and hibernate):

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=27066

jwbekens · #28 Post by **jwbekens** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:21 pm

Well, I'll be darned. New advanced dock fixed it. After docking I got a new hardware profile and my desktop icons were rearranged. All is well.

Jon

Wheeep · #29 Post by **Wheeep** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:34 am

This is caused by ATI. When you set powerplay to disabled it will always wake up from Standby without hanging and have to cold start...

#30 Post by **GomJabbar** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:44 am

Wheeep wrote:This is caused by ATI. When you set powerplay to disabled it will always wake up from Standby without hanging and have to cold start...

This might be true in your case. However, I have a T42 (not a T60) and I have PowerPlay enabled with no problems waking up from Standby.

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