T43 fan problem is gone!

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Tungo · #1 Post by **Tungo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:20 pm

Hello everyone,

I have been noted that while running the fancontrol utility( and some of the members also pointed out) that it triggered the ACPIEC device warning in the Event Log, so I removed the utility and installed NHC just for CPU temperature reading.

I also updated the T43 with all the current drivers axcept for the ATI driver because for some reason it increase the CPU temp, so the ATI driver on my T43 version is 8.133-050510a-024101C

My power setting in the system BIOS is AC=Maximun Performace, Battery= maximize for battery.

power Manager setting: Battery/AC Settings:
maximun CPU speed: Adaptive
Optimize fan control to: Maximize performance
Display brightness: 5, 7

ATI PowerPlay: Optimize performance

NHC is only for CPU temp reading only, and the CPU speed settings are set to max. performance for both AC/DC.

My T43 now is idle at 37/8 C with room temp at 20.5 C, and when surfing and light work it only went up to 43/44 without the fan come on at all. When i ran Spy Bot(this will load the CPU to 100% for 5-7 min) the temp would increased to 55 C and the fan is turned on at level 1 (this level 1 is sounded and felt like 1/2 of the level 1 on the fancontrol utility) and when it the temp reached 59 level 2 came on. The fan is off when temp goes down to 39C. I removed the NHC and it still worked the same so it got nothing to do with NHC.

Now I knew exactly what Christopher_Wolf was talking about when his T43's fan seems to never come on, as I am writing this post the T43 has been on for 2 hrs and the fan is still off with CPU temp at 44 C.

Am I just got lucky or the fan problem decided to disappear by itself?

christopher_wolf · #2 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:24 pm

Now this is very interesting; have you compared the temperature of the GPU both before and after? I suspect that the GPU is being throttled differently and this is causing lower internal temperatures.

Same thing happens with me and the T43's Fan; exactly the same behavior.

Tungo · #3 Post by **Tungo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:41 pm

When using the fancontrol utility the GPU is idle at 47/8 and when i updated the the video driver to the newest version 8.163... it went up about 3/4 C. The latest version will cause the internal temp to goes up. So right my T43 is running at full speed and the fan is still off, the bottom of it only felt a little warm.

muffd · #4 Post by **muffd** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:26 pm

At first, the fan problem didn't really bother me but now it really is....especially after the addition of the 7200 rpm drive.
Thanks for the post.

simms · #5 Post by **simms** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:05 pm

So by installing/uninstalling NHC you made the problem go away?

Can we get some more independent verification? I might try this later.

christopher_wolf · #6 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:13 pm

simms wrote:So by installing/uninstalling NHC you made the problem go away?

Can we get some more independent verification? I might try this later.

No; uninstalling NHC didn't change the fan behavior. Rather, it was updating everything else and leaving the ATI driver alone and setting it to "Optimize Performance" that did it.

Yes; you can get independent verification. Namely, me. I just checked now and I have the same version ATI driver that was stated in the original post.

I have just about the same fan behavior as well.

simms · #7 Post by **simms** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:00 am

christopher_wolf wrote:
simms wrote:So by installing/uninstalling NHC you made the problem go away?

Can we get some more independent verification? I might try this later.
No; uninstalling NHC didn't change the fan behavior. Rather, it was updating everything else and leaving the ATI driver alone and setting it to "Optimize Performance" that did it.

Yes; you can get independent verification. Namely, me. I just checked now and I have the same version ATI driver that was stated in the original post.

I have just about the same fan behavior as well.

Ok, I am trying this on my T40 2374. I was using the Omega drivers and the fan is on at 49C.

My only available version number is 8.133.2-050525a-024243C-IBM. How can I get the 8.133-050510a-024101C?

Tungo · #8 Post by **Tungo** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:18 am

Thanks Christopher for the verification. I 'm always skeptical when updating any drivers, so when it came to the new ATI driver, I noted the CPU temp also increased thus increased the whole internal temp, and I did roll back to the 8.133..version. I do not understand why it work on my T43 and obviously Christopher's T43 as well. Maybe the drivers are dependent on the hardware tolerance of the T43, because as you know electronic components do have tolerances on them.

As I stated in my original post, the NHC got nothing to do with the changed, it merely used so that I can read the temp of the CPU. I run the T43 at maximun performance AC/DC. I could not tell the fan run at level 1 unless I put my ear next to the exhaust vent, and at level 3, that about 63C on the CPU then the fan seems a little audibile. Base on specs, Christopher's T43 and mine are the same except for the LCD and mine is 15". I also would like to noted that, When I used the fancontrol utility, the fan would pulsated up/down for a second before changing the level of the fan. Now the the fan's level just smoothly changed .

hiyel · #9 Post by **hiyel** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:24 am

I don't get it.
First of all, the ATI driver you mentioned is not the latest version. The latest version is 8.163.1.1.1-060121a-030334C. Anyhow, my powerplay setting was "optimize for performance" since the very first day. I installed NHC, didn't like it, and uninstalled it a while ago. And I still have the fan issue, if I manually turn off the fan (with fanutility) eventhough the computer is idle, temps rise up to 60C degrees.
Can you explain what did you do?

Tungo · #10 Post by **Tungo** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:59 am

hello hiyel,

If you read my post you would noted that i did not do anything special, except setting everything to run the T43 at maximum performance at all time! And I also stated that, the latest ATI driver would increased the overall temperature on my T43...and I did not use the latest ATI driver on my T43. Right now the temp on my T43 is only at 44C running at 2Ghz, no fan, and it has been on for almost 6 hrs.

I do not know which model you have, but 60C at idle seems a little high IMHO.

christopher_wolf · #11 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:11 am

60 Degrees Celsius is high for an idling temperature on a T43; highest I have ever idled was 53-55 degrees.

Right now I am in the 43-45 range with little to no fan noise, fan came on for awhile...but that was when I had moved my T43 and plugged it in which always spins the fan up a bit then turns it off.

DIGITALgimpus · #12 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:06 am

Yea, I idle about 40-43... sometimes 39, if it's a cool room and it's idle for a while.

hiyel · #13 Post by **hiyel** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:54 pm

Tungo:
Sorry for misunderstanding, I didn't read your post because I was posting at that moment as well.

Well, so you are saying that this issue is solely caused by the ATI driver. Actually I noticed that, when idle, the highest temp is always the GPU. CPU is usually follows the GPU by a degree or two behind. This may supports your statement about the ATI driver. And yes I agree that 60 C is pretty high. For example I just ran the fan at 6300 RPM (by setting the manual parameter to 64 in fanutility) for 10 minutes in a 25C room on idle, and CPU is 43C, GPU is 44C. The fan is all out, and I can't even get your idle temperatures !!!

I would want to try that version of ATI Driver but it's not available on ibm website. Also, since I got my T43 in jan 4th, I installed every ATI driver as soon as ther are available, and this fan issue was always the same. What's the date of this driver?

Tungo · #14 Post by **Tungo** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:35 pm

Hi hiyel,

Dont' worry about it, we are all learn from one another here anyway. I do not know whether the ATI driver caused the fan problem on the T43, but the newest driver did increase the GPU temp on my T43 ~3-4C. This is not much but it could be enough to trigger the fan on/off. Your 43C temp idle seems right, also noted that your room temp is high than mine about ~4C, so that maybe the different, right now my CPU is 43C also and no fan. My T43 was built on jan 28, 2006, and from your T43's specs, we almost have the same Thinkpad except my LCD is 15".

davidspalding · #15 Post by **davidspalding** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:47 pm

I find that when I use one of my profiles that either specifies "Adaptive" for the CPU in either state (Battery, AC), or my "Quiet" profile which adjust everything to limit fan noise, the temperature seems to [edit] stay rather low, compared with max performance. YMMV.

EL · #16 Post by EL » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:27 pm

Tungo wrote:
ATI driver on my T43 version is 8.133-050510a-024101C

Where can I download previous version of the video driver?
Seems like we can only download the newest driver from the website.

Thanks!

Tungo · #17 Post by **Tungo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:22 pm

You are right davidspalding! The fan is very sensitive as to what the settings are in the Power Manager, and it seems that "Adaptive" settings would keep the temperature low thus helps eliminate the fan on/off frequency.

EL,

I do not know where you would download the 8.133...version. When did you upgrade the ATI driver? If you think that you might have the 8.133.. before the upgrade, then I would roll back the driver, then check the version in the ATI properties under the Options tap. Hope that helps.

Tung

christopher_wolf · #18 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:44 pm

I have a custom profile that maximizes the battery life and minimizes the power used. There temperature stays low and the fan stays off pretty much all of the time. This seems to carry over to my AC-powered settings as well.

simms · #19 Post by **simms** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:13 am

christopher_wolf wrote:I have a custom profile that maximizes the battery life and minimizes the power used. There temperature stays low and the fan stays off pretty much all of the time. This seems to carry over to my AC-powered settings as well.

What are these settings?

christopher_wolf · #20 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:21 am

Settings:

On Battery
CPU Speed: Lowest
Optimize Fan Control to: Balance all parameters
Screen Brightness: Level 0
Turn off display after 3 minutes
Stop HDD rotation after 3 minutes

That is pretty much it, also I turn off Bluetooth and the Wireless when I don't need them

The HDD can also be set to silent operation as well as enable spin-down; the same goes for a 2nd HDD in the Ultrabay or an Optical Drive.

I underclock the GPU using the ATI tool and manage its power scheme using ATI PowerPlay.

Cache · #21 Post by **Cache** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:17 pm

I'm really excited about trying this setup out but haven't been able to find a copy of the 8.133-050510a-024101C driver anywhere on the net. Is there any chance one of you guys that has it could either host it or send me a copy at jreadle@gmail.com ? Thanks!

hiyel · #22 Post by **hiyel** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:58 pm

Cahce:
That would be great, I would love to try that too, and since this is a driver publicly available on ibm's website, I don't think there will be copyright issues, am I wrong? Also do you have a better idea of shareing it other than by email?

simms · #23 Post by **simms** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:28 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:Settings:

On Battery
CPU Speed: Lowest
Optimize Fan Control to: Balance all parameters
Screen Brightness: Level 0
Turn off display after 3 minutes
Stop HDD rotation after 3 minutes

That is pretty much it, also I turn off Bluetooth and the Wireless when I don't need them

The HDD can also be set to silent operation as well as enable spin-down; the same goes for a 2nd HDD in the Ultrabay or an Optical Drive.

I underclock the GPU using the ATI tool and manage its power scheme using ATI PowerPlay.

What are your speeds for ATItooL?

Cache · #24 Post by **Cache** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:02 am

hiyel:

Probably the easiest way to host the files would be to upload them to a free service such as Yahoo's briefcase at http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc//home . As far as legality, I can't see any reason why there would be any problems.

dtakias · #25 Post by **dtakias** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:15 pm

i will hapilly host it on my ftp server for everyone to download but i need to get a copy of it first

holr · #26 Post by **holr** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:18 am

Could you possibly give the filename of the sipped exe downloaded from ibm? e.g. the latest driver is in 1yd167ww.exe. I only ask as I have found the ftp site for the above file (ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mo ... d167ww.exe) but, despite being able to download that file, the directory shows nothing when I ftp into ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles

If I could get the name of the old file that the 1.33 driver came in, maybe they still have it there, archived...

dino · #27 Post by **dino** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:08 pm

holr wrote:Could you possibly give the filename of the sipped exe downloaded from ibm? e.g. the latest driver is in 1yd167ww.exe. I only ask as I have found the ftp site for the above file (ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mo ... d167ww.exe) but, despite being able to download that file, the directory shows nothing when I ftp into ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles

If I could get the name of the old file that the 1.33 driver came in, maybe they still have it there, archived...

I already searched the ftp directory and its not there.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/allfiles.txt contains a listing of all the files in the pccbbs subdirectories.

hiyel · #28 Post by **hiyel** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:49 pm

Unfortunately, it seems that none of the guys that have this version of the driver is interested in this topic anymore. Last 7 posts are from those who need this driver and struggling to find solutions but those who have the driver are silent.

davidspalding · #29 Post by **davidspalding** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:16 pm

I'm confused ... you need a specific sub-release of 8.133?

Driver v. 8.133.2-050525a-024243C 8/11/2005:

http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-41918

Driver v. 8.133-050510a-024101C ... is there really a difference here? Only thing I could find was

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62202

Cache · #30 Post by **Cache** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:25 pm

I may be wrong, but I think that the 8.133.2-050525a-024243C driver doesn't support the T43.

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