Wifi card heat problem

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#31 Post by **archer6** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:33 am

Ponch wrote:Archer, can you post the temperatures with TPFancontrol of all three X60s or is that not possible?
I think the "APS" temperature has to do with the WiFi card.

Mine runs @ 48C with wifi running for 5 hours.

I will test the others this morning and get back to you.

Archer6

#32 Post by **archer6** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:30 pm

archer6 wrote:
Ponch wrote:Archer, can you post the temperatures with TPFancontrol of all three X60s or is that not possible?
I think the "APS" temperature has to do with the WiFi card.
Mine runs @ 48C with wifi running for 5 hours.

Ok, here it is after 3 hours the other X models.

Machine #
1) 58C
2) 60C
3) 57C

These are all going back today.

Archer6

Ponch · #33 Post by **Ponch** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:54 pm

That's really hot. All the cards are Intel cards?
And the numbers are the APS temperatures?

#34 Post by **archer6** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:30 pm

Ponch wrote:That's really hot. All the cards are Intel cards?
And the numbers are the APS temperatures?

Yes that's hot and I'm really surprized. Intel , and the numbers are APS temps.

In addition these three were purhased on the same order (co. computers) and the serial numbers are very close to each other. So perhaps it was just a vendor issue with a bad batch of cards.

Just this morning I spoke with another X owner and he ran the APS on his and was the same as mine. Nice and cool.

Archer6

Ponch · #35 Post by **Ponch** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:12 pm

Hmm, I have 52°C right now after hours with WiFi on. Maybe I should give Lenovo a call.
Do you have an Atheros or Intel card?

trentblase · #36 Post by **trentblase** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:56 pm

FYI, my APS temp is 46 C, and it's been running on wifi for hours.

Ponch · #37 Post by **Ponch** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:35 pm

trentblase wrote:FYI, my APS temp is 46 C, and it's been running on wifi for hours.

You have an Intel card, right?

#38 Post by **archer6** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:44 pm

Ponch wrote:
trentblase wrote:FYI, my APS temp is 46 C, and it's been running on wifi for hours.
You have an Intel card, right?

Mine is Intel

Ponch · #39 Post by **Ponch** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:02 pm

archer6 wrote:
Ponch wrote: You have an Intel card, right?
Mine is Intel

What is your APS temperature when WiFI is off?

trentblase · #40 Post by **trentblase** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:41 am

Ponch wrote:
trentblase wrote:FYI, my APS temp is 46 C, and it's been running on wifi for hours.
You have an Intel card, right?

Yes, Intel -- Haven't tried it with wireless off yet. Out of curiosity, where is the APS sensor? The included map is for a different model, and shows it to be on the left side of the laptop, nowhere near the wireless card.

Blueblazer · #41 Post by **Blueblazer** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:54 pm

Is the wifi heat problem only with the X60s? I'd like to get this computer (again) but for the heat problem.

#42 Post by **archer6** » Wed May 17, 2006 6:17 pm

Blueblazer wrote:Is the wifi heat problem only with the X60s? I'd like to get this computer (again) but for the heat problem.

My X60s runs very cool.

We had a couple of X series in our office (early builds) that got very warm to hot. Sent them back and just recieved the replacements Monday. They run nice and cool just like mine. So my feeling on this is perhaps Lenovo just received a bad batch of cards from their vendor.

I can highly recommend either the X60 or X60s based on our experience in my company. We have approx 70 ThinkPads deployed currently.

foodle · #43 Post by **foodle** » Fri May 19, 2006 12:27 pm

Sadly, my new X60s (1704-69U) seems to be suffering from an overly warm right palmrest also. It's slightly warm if I'm running on battery, but it's getting uncomfortable when I'm plugged in to the AC adapter and charging the battery (power settings max out everything when plugged in). Atheros WiFi card BTW.

I just downloaded tpfancontrol, so I'll report my high temp in a bit ... 57C (APS temp, file transfer via 802.11g, battery fully charged). I think it gets a bit hotter when charging the battery also. Still within my 30 day return period, but I'm unsure what to do ...

surg · #44 Post by **surg** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:29 am

My brand new X60s shows APS temps between 46 and 50 °C depending on activity and charging status. I would not call this perfectly cool but it is what I expected when ordering a miniature computer with dual core processing power. I am a happy camper.

foodle · #45 Post by **foodle** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:32 pm

archer6 wrote:We had a couple of X series in our office (early builds) that got very warm to hot. Sent them back and just recieved the replacements Monday. They run nice and cool just like mine. So my feeling on this is perhaps Lenovo just received a bad batch of cards from their vendor.

Did Lenovo give you any problems with the return? How long did it take for them to ship replacement machines? Did you ship back the entire machine or just the bare machine w/o the HD, battery, base, etc.?

I've decided that my machine gets too hot (57C!), so I'm going to return it. But I don't want to be without a machine for a few days, much less weeks. I'm still within my 30 day return period, so hopefully there won't be a problem.

#46 Post by **archer6** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:41 pm

archer6 wrote:We had a couple of X series in our office (early builds) that got very warm to hot. Sent them back and just recieved the replacements Monday. They run nice and cool just like mine. So my feeling on this is perhaps Lenovo just received a bad batch of cards from their vendor.

foodle wrote:Did Lenovo give you any problems with the return? How long did it take for them to ship replacement machines? Did you ship back the entire machine or just the bare machine w/o the HD, battery, base, etc.?

I have my IT guys at the office trained to keep all packaging for the new ThinkPads we recieve for 30 days in case they need to be returned. However, if you have discarded yours they will still accept your computer, so don't worry if you tossed the packaging.

We contacted our rep, he issued an RMA, we shipped the computers back with all manuals, power cords, batts etc in the original boxes. Within a very short period of time our replacements (new) came and they are all just fine as I reported earlier. I have never experienced a problem with returns to IBM/Lenovo.

I would strongly urge you to return yours asap, that way you will get this behind you and be a happy ThinkPad owner.

foodle · #47 Post by **foodle** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:36 pm

Just an update on my APS sensor temps. The new high is 61C (light WiFi usage + charging battery). So the machine is definitely going back once I'm no longer out of town. I'm not sure at this point if I'm going to ask for a replacement machine or see what it's like to lug my T60p around. At twice the weight, it's going to be quite the change.

#48 Post by **archer6** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:44 pm

foodle wrote:Just an update on my APS sensor temps. The new high is 61C (light WiFi usage + charging battery). So the machine is definitely going back once I'm no longer out of town. I'm not sure at this point if I'm going to ask for a replacement machine or see what it's like to lug my T60p around. At twice the weight, it's going to be quite the change.

Yes, I know what you mean in terms of the size and weight differences. I must admit that when I just want to grab and go, the X60s is unbeatable.

ahrkron · #49 Post by **ahrkron** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:00 pm

I finally got mine, and I love it!

It has been working for a couple hours and the right palm rest is just warm, which is a relief.

Still, I'd like to measure the temperature in the APS sensor. I found TPFanControl in http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp4xfancontrol/, but it seems to be for the T40 family.

Is this what I should use? If not, can someone please post a link to the apropriate version? Thanks in advace!

#50 Post by **archer6** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:06 pm

ahrkron wrote:I finally got mine, and I love it!
It has been working for a couple hours and the right palm rest is just warm, which is a relief.

Congratulations on your new computer!

Which ThinkPad Model number did you get?

ahrkron · #51 Post by **ahrkron** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:24 pm

Thanks! As I said, I'm quite happy with it.

It is a 1702-5PG. I added 1GB, for a total of 2GB.

btw, I also ordered an Ultrabase, which arrived together with the computer, but (luckily) the vendor tried to dock the machine and found out right there that the ultrabase had to be replaced. He lent me a USB DVD writer in the meantime.

foodle · #52 Post by **foodle** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:38 pm

ahrkron wrote:Still, I'd like to measure the temperature in the APS sensor. I found TPFanControl in http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp4xfancontrol/, but it seems to be for the T40 family.

Yes, this works on the X60s. It was a little strange on my machine, since when I started the app, it opened in the right side of the task bar. I had to click the little "T" icon again to get a window to pop up.

When on battery my machine is only warm, but with the AC adapter in and charging the battery, the APS sensor can get to 61C. Eek.

#53 Post by **archer6** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:22 pm

foodle wrote:
ahrkron wrote:Still, I'd like to measure the temperature in the APS sensor. I found TPFanControl in http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp4xfancontrol/, but it seems to be for the T40 family.
When on battery my machine is only warm, but with the AC adapter in and charging the battery, the APS sensor can get to 61C. Eek.

I tested my X60s temps:
1) Running on battery = 40C
2) Running on AC adapter = 43C

bijou · #54 Post by **bijou** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:55 am

[I tested my X60s temps:
1) Running on battery = 40C
2) Running on AC adapter = 43C]

Archer, do you think your relatively low temperatures might be because you have the 1.50 processor instead of the 1.66?

#55 Post by **archer6** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:06 pm

bijou wrote:[I tested my X60s temps:
1) Running on battery = 40C
2) Running on AC adapter = 43C]

Archer, do you think your relatively low temperatures might be because you have the 1.50 processor instead of the 1.66?

Yes, I believe so. I specifically ordered the slowest processor available, as even those are quite fast for all around computing. I do not use my X60s for design/cad/etc, that's what my T60p is for. So it's perfect the way it's configured. In fact the only reason I put so much ram in it, is in case I wanted to do some intensive work at some point later, I would have the ram for it.

In retrospect, I'm really happy that I ordered it when I did. I have a friend who just tried to purchase one and I guess the new Lenovo ordering system only offers the faster/warmer chip set.

mfratt · #56 Post by **mfratt** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:21 pm

I currently own a T43 2669-C8U, which has been known to suffer from a hyperactive fan. I managed to reduce this problem by implimenting a home-made cooling unit for the chipset and using fan control software. The system does run warm, but not too bad. Much better than having the fan always coming on.

I have an X60s 1704-69U on the way, and if I do suffer from unbearable heat, I will try a similar solution. Perhaps something similar using a copper plate and (if they will fit) heat pipes to better disperse the heat.

Is the heat really unbearable? Has anyone had any luck reducing it? I would hate to have to send the X60s back after waiting a month for it, and it looks like such a great computer there really is no subsitiute.

furball4 · #57 Post by **furball4** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:11 pm

Just bought an X60s for my company, and I instantly noticed the very hot palmrest. I've owned a lot of laptops, and known some others to be near scalding on the bottom, but I have never felt one so hot in the palmrest area. The APS temp isn't much above 50C though, which doesn't place it with the hottest on this forum. 53C is the highest I've seen so far. Hopefully the person it was bought for doesn't mind.

Also: how well does the APS sensor correlate to palm-rest surface temperature? Do we have any indication that APS temps translate reliably into surface temperature?

yasu · #58 Post by **yasu** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:02 pm

I have got the same problems still...
no improvement after the bios update, patch and drivers

I get wireless disconnet after the APS gone to 51oC
everytime I need to reboot to get back the wireless, and cold down the plam before i can use the wireless again

I think .. I should call thinkpad?

FredFromNYC · #59 Post by **FredFromNYC** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:54 am

yasu wrote:I think .. I should call thinkpad?

I think you should. If your ThinkPad disconnects from the network at only 51 degrees then there is something wrong.

johnsss · #60 Post by **johnsss** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:48 am

Hi, I know this issue has been discussed quite lengthy. But, after using my X60s for almost 5mths now, the right palmrest area seems to get unbearably hot recently. I recorded below stats:

CPU 51degC
APS 54degC

It is especially hot when the unit is being charged up and in use, with wifi on. I'm wondering if I can get it reviewed by IBM and will they recognise these temperatures as unusual and do something. Anyone with similar experience or made calls to IBM about it, pls give your comments. Thanks!

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