thinkpad and silver 5...........(56K be aware)

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nirvana0001 · #1 Post by **nirvana0001** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:05 pm

hi guys. I just got my silver 5 today, so i decided to replace the original thermal compound immediately.
what would you need:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... c0ea72.jpg
first thing first,open it up:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0035.jpg

the fan:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0034.jpg

wow......the nasty GPU

:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 036917.jpg

the first thing i cleaned is GPU:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 2948a7.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 2e8ebf.jpg

then used purifier:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 575921.jpg

before cleaning the CPU, i took it out

:
wow.....can you believe it worth $649?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 04f9b9.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... b469c4.jpg

cleaning the CPU:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 659d72.jpg

before i clean up the heat sink, i found out IBM put a pink color plastics between the GPU and heatsink, anyone know what it is?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0051.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0043.jpg

heat sink...... the hardest part to clean:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0049.jpg

as you seen the compound is very thick, it took me almost 10 mins to get it rid off the heat sink. by the way the compound that IBM used is black color, looks very close to silver 5.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0050.jpg

this is the part for CPU, the white white color substance is the different kind of thermal compound:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... 8d773b.jpg

Finally!!!!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0052.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0046.jpg

the first part is finished, the second began now:

also GPU first:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0054.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0055.jpg

CPU next:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0056.jpg

Put all the parts back together again at the end. And you are good to go!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... C_0057.jpg

p.s. the temperature drops about 6C

monkey243 · #2 Post by **monkey243** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:20 pm

it sounds greate.
have you putted the plastics back?

nirvana0001 · #3 Post by **nirvana0001** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:22 pm

monkey243 wrote:it sounds greate.
have you putted the plastics back?

no........because i don't think its necessary

#4 Post by **GomJabbar** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:28 pm

nirvana0001 wrote:before cleaning the CPU, i took it out :
wow.....can you believe it worth $649?

I can believe it costs $649, but is it worth it?

nirvana0001 wrote:before i clean up the heat sink, i found out IBM put a pink color plastics between the GPU and heatsink, anyone know what it is?

A thermal pad.

BTW, nice images. Took about 8 minutes to load using my EDGE connection. For some reason it doesn't like images too well. Files download much faster.

DIGITALgimpus · #5 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:02 pm

6C is quite a bit...

Did you experience the fan noise problem before? Did this do anything to your fan speed?

ThinkPad · #6 Post by **ThinkPad** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:34 pm

Nice pictures, ....but all that clicking

nirvana0001 · #7 Post by **nirvana0001** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:35 pm

DIGITALgimpus wrote:6C is quite a bit...

Did you experience the fan noise problem before? Did this do anything to your fan speed?

i don't have fan noise problem be4, and i don't think it's gonna do anything to the fan speed

FTC · #8 Post by **FTC** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:45 am

Hi,

How do you make sure now that the heatsink makes good contact with the GPU now ? Note that the black goop plus pink thermal pad you took out are quite thick... so you run the risk of the heatsink not touching the GPU after a while. I attempted to do the same some months ago, and finally left the black goop there just to avoid this problem!. Others in this forum have put some copper slice in the middle or similar...

nirvana0001 · #9 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:51 am

FTC wrote:Hi,

How do you make sure now that the heatsink makes good contact with the GPU now ?

just "look" at the edge

DIGITALgimpus · #10 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:24 am

nirvana0001 wrote: i don't have fan noise problem be4, and i don't think it's gonna do anything to the fan speed

Reason I ask is my comp is consistantly between 40C and 45C... if I go down 6C...my fan should be idle much more often... I'd think.

nirvana0001 · #11 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:39 am

my fan almost remains off all the time now......except the gaming time

gunston · #12 Post by **gunston** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:38 am

nirvana0001 wrote:my fan almost remains off all the time now......except the gaming time

any significant temperature after putting the silver5 as shown above. Beside, what is "purifier" that you used, is that alcoholic liquid? just wonder whether can i used the alcohol to wipe away the dirt on GPU, and original thermal compound.?

smids · #13 Post by **smids** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:28 pm

gunston wrote:
nirvana0001 wrote:my fan almost remains off all the time now......except the gaming time
any significant temperature after putting the silver5 as shown above. Beside, what is "purifier" that you used, is that alcoholic liquid? just wonder whether can i used the alcohol to wipe away the dirt on GPU, and original thermal compound.?

That solution is Arctic Cooling Arti-Clean - most likely alcohol based but far too expensive for what it is (high price, small bottle).

Go down to your local chemist and ask for propan-2-ol or Isopropyl Alcohol - it's what most people use to clean thermal goop. It cost me £8 for 0.5L but you only need 100ml really. Try not to use Acetone (nail polish remover) as it leaves an oily residue - something which IA doesn't.

I can't wait till my new processor arrives - P-M 755 (2.0ghz, 2MB, 400 L2) so I can dump my Banias 1.6 - the [censored] hot thing!

Those pics look great - I notice you didn't remove the screen like it says to do in the HMM - was the IBM guy drunk when he wrote that?

nirvana0001 · #14 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:37 pm

gunston wrote: any significant temperature after putting the silver5 as shown above. Beside, what is "purifier" that you used, is that alcoholic liquid? just wonder whether can i used the alcohol to wipe away the dirt on GPU, and original thermal compound.?

my temperature maintain approximately 35C now.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... c0ea72.jpg

gent911 · #15 Post by **gent911** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:46 pm

my temperature maintain approximately 35C now.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/ni ... c0ea72.jpg

My first post here...
I have exactly the same model you have and I find it hard to believe.
My av. temp is 50 and I have centrino hardware control + fan utility installed. Within 30 mins temp reaches 60 and the fan kicks off.
i.e. applying silver 5 decreases the unit temp by 15 degrees???
Can anyone confirm it?

nirvana0001 · #16 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:51 pm

gent911 wrote:My first post here...
I have exactly the same model you have and I find it hard to believe.
My av. temp is 50 and I have centrino hardware control + fan utility installed. Within 30 mins temp reaches 60 and the fan kicks off.
i.e. applying silver 5 decreases the unit temp by 15 degrees???
Can anyone confirm it?

my previous avg. temp. is 42C.
what are the voltages you set in CHC?

gent911 · #17 Post by **gent911** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:06 pm

my previous avg. temp. is 42C.
what are the voltages you set in CHC?

These are my settings :

6x = 0.732
8x = 0.860
9x = 0.988
...

42C looks like a dream to me

The hottest unit in my TP is GPU though. I took my notebook apart and had a look inside. The black goo which IBM uses for GPU thermal pad is melted down and I clearly see it on the sides of the heatsink. So I guess it was applied in a hurry or so.
BTW, did you apply the silver5 to the hotesink AND GPU?

PS: Anyway, tomorrow I'm going to give silver5 a try, hope it really works as advertised.

JHEM · #18 Post by **JHEM** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:11 pm

gent911 wrote:My first post here...

Welcome to our newest member from Wien!

Regards,

James

nirvana0001 · #19 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:58 pm

gent911 wrote: BTW, did you apply the silver5 to the hotesink AND GPU?

here is mine:
6x: 0.700
8x: 0.764
9x: 0.780
10x: 0.828.........etc

i only applied the silver 5 on the heatsink side.

gunston · #20 Post by **gunston** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:29 pm

Nirvana001,
what is your room temperature in order to maintain your thinkpad at 35C constantly?
and your processor speed you set to 6X speed all the time?

nirvana0001 · #21 Post by **nirvana0001** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:12 pm

my room tempsture is about 20C and my setting is "Dynamic setting"

christopher_wolf · #22 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:41 pm

My T43 runs in the range of 37-40 degrees un-modded with the TP FCU or thermal compound. Room temperature is around 20 degrees. At full 2.0GHz with good loading it generally goes from 43-45 degrees...peaking at 52 degrees. However, when fully loaded at max, it can get up to 70 degrees.

No fan noise problem here.

gent911 · #23 Post by **gent911** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:53 am

only applied the silver 5 on the heatsink side.

Alright, here is my take.
I bought Coollaboratory Liquid Pro and applied as you described to CPU and GPU:

idle temps (no CHC, ambient temp is 20C) in C

Unit | Before | After
---------------------------------
CPU | 53 | 45/46
GPU | 58/59 | 47/48
PCI | 59/60 | 50

As soon as the fan kicks off, the CPU temp drops to 42C (GPU is a bit hotter - 44C) very fast. So, the hottest unit so far is PCI thing (I guess it is the wireless network card)

My TP specs:
T43p 2,13Ghz, 2G Ram, 7k100 HD

I'll post more results after I'm done with testing, the only thing I would like to note is - heat sink does not have a full contact to GPU though

I do not know how u have managed it...

StarTraveller · #24 Post by **StarTraveller** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:24 am

Those are some really impressive drops by doing something as simple as applying new thermal paste. Either Lenovo's thermal paste really sucks or they must have applied it poorly to account for such a difference.

I have the CPU (2.13 GHz Pentium M) idling at 800 MHz @ 0.700 V and 43 C right now with an ambient temperature of about 21-22 C. I cannot help, but wonder if I'll see the same drastic drops if I pop the hood and reapply/replace the thermal paste. I'm a little weary of taking my ThinkPad apart, but it appears to be simple enough.

Before running NHC and undervolting the CPU, I've actually experienced load temperatures of up to 94 C so it's not unlikely that my system too suffers from somewhat poor contact to the heatsink...

Paul Unger · #25 Post by **Paul Unger** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:00 am

WOW! Absolutely fantastic pictures! Almost makes a guy think he could pull it off by himself

You can see my machine type below, and I'm idling around 39C. I don't think I'd see a 6C drop by applying new paste, but someday I'm going to pop this beast open and just 'see' if it needs it. I'm in Canada at the moment, so the ambient temperatures tend to be a bit lower than in the Solomons . . .

Maybe before I go back to the Solomons. And I'll certainly use this for reference--thanks nirvana0001!

gunston · #26 Post by **gunston** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:34 am

gent911,

Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is quite hard for me to get it in asian country,
but i have read the review of this liquid in the web, it has better head transfer performance than the Arctic Silver 5

gent911 · #27 Post by **gent911** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:02 pm

gunston wrote: Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is quite hard for me to get it in asian country,
but i have read the review of this liquid in the web, it has better head transfer performance than the Arctic Silver 5

I didn't have any expirience with Silver 5 so I can't make a comparison. The only thing I have noticed is - as soon as fan starts off, the temp goes down very quickly. In comparison to the "original state", I'd estimate 6x faster...
Some other data, which you may find useful:
If I don't use FanControl Utility, the temp stands at 40-42 (browsing/office apps etc). Under the full load (I set CPU to maximum performance, 16x - 2.13Ghz) - it stands at 51C...

nirvana0001 · #28 Post by **nirvana0001** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:17 pm

gunston wrote:gent911,

Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is quite hard for me to get it in asian country,
but i have read the review of this liquid in the web, it has better head transfer performance than the Arctic Silver 5

before you use coolaboratory, please read this:
http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/0511/30/205478.htm

p.s. hopefully you are able to read chinese

gent911 · #29 Post by **gent911** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:19 pm

nirvana0001 wrote: before you use coolaboratory, please read this:
http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/0511/30/205478.htm

Could you make a brief summary, pls. Thnx.

gunston · #30 Post by **gunston** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:59 pm

wow,
that is terrible this liquid metal has incredibly metal erosion.
Arctic Silver 5 is still the best choice..

getn911,
you had better beware of your processor, it may erose 'til it become a hole on it.

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