Games Crash with T60p video card

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sergeycentral · #1 Post by **sergeycentral** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:11 am

I have tried 2 games with my T60p (2007C8U):
Doom 3 and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

both of them crashed within 2 minutes of gameplay

GRAW got blue screen with Memory Parity Error
Doom 3 got MS error report with error in atioglgl.dll

games ran in meduim setting

crashes occured in game when new areas of the game loaded, like walking thru a door or expirencing heavier gfx loads.

i have also noticed short pauses in rendering/play upon loading, is this normal?

this is out of the box testing, with the most updated gfx driver using thinkvanatage system update

what in the world is going on???

jtlau · #2 Post by **jtlau** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:17 am

I've tried Doom 3 on my T60 (2623-D7U). I've installed all the latest drivers and what not and the game runs fine.

I have it set at medium settings, 1280x1024 and I have a 2Ghz cpu with 512mb ram. The only problem I have with Doom 3 is that after loading new levels, there is major lag time for a few seconds and then everything returns to normal.

You might want download the latest drivers, maybe that'll solve your problems.

sergeycentral · #3 Post by **sergeycentral** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:25 am

during this lag time (in game) this is when the game crashes

i have the latest drivers

pundit · #4 Post by **pundit** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:30 am

I experienced this with both the demos of Quake IV and Doom III. (Which I guess is reasonable considering it's the same tech.)

I am guessing if you replace the FireGL drivers with the more mainstream ATI drivers things will be fine.

pekka · #5 Post by **pekka** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:52 am

sergeycentral wrote: what in the world is going on???

Is your fan running and the GPU isn't overheating?

Other option is buggy display driver which is also quite possible considering it's a driver made by Ati... Try Omegadrivers instead: www.omegadrivers.net

sergeycentral · #6 Post by **sergeycentral** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:24 am

ok I have tried the drivers from ATI.com for the FireGL V series.

They will just not install! Message being, you dont have compatible hardware/software blah blah blah. (tried everything including in safe mode).

The drivers for ATI at Omegadrivers are for the Radeon series.. they have none for FireGL V series..

Something is definitly wrong here. It should work fine out of the box, with the most update driver that was specifically created for this model computer.

Fan is running.. GPU is not over heating.. I have done no overclocking.. This system is 2 days old out of the box..

Do DirectX9 games run fine on your T60Ps? With the same ATI drivers installed from thinkvantage upgrade.. if not this must have a defected gfx card, and I need to return this

pekka · #7 Post by **pekka** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:56 am

Omegadrivers work with FireGL cards also.

sergeycentral · #8 Post by **sergeycentral** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:07 am

the Omegadrivers worked... no more crashes

mmo · #9 Post by **mmo** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:42 am

I might want to give these a try as well. Can you be more specific where you found those "Omega drivers"? The ATI drivers/download area didn't yield any hit when I searched for "omega".

Michael

ehsu · #10 Post by **ehsu** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:37 pm

I use DriverCleaner, an video driver removal utility, to completely clean out all the ATI drivers before I install Omegadrivers.

1. Download/Install DriverCleaner

2. Uninstall ATI drivers using add/remove software from control panel

3. Reboot in safe mode, open DriverCleaner

4. Use CabCleaner to clean out the cab files

5. Switch back to DriverCleaner, Select ATI to clean all ATI drivers

6. Reboot in normal mode, install Omegadriver

Complete cleaned without previous driver residues.

Qoz3a · #11 Post by **Qoz3a** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:54 pm

Greetings guyz ..

i also got the same problem with games .. i tried BF2 and BFME2 ,my T60P (2623-DDU) is freezing after 10 to 20 mintues and i have to hold the shutdown button to restart the machine..

i tried ur way to fix this problem ehsu and still didnt work for me ..

any help guyz ??

DenTP4rm · #12 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Mon May 29, 2006 7:14 pm

ehsu wrote:I use DriverCleaner, an video driver removal utility, to completely clean out all the ATI drivers before I install Omegadrivers.

Hey "ehsu",
Thanks for the step-by-step. I have one question. Following your link to the Omegadriver site I could only find one file as of 5/29/06 "Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.252 (Catalyst 6.5)". Will this driver work for the ATI Mobility FireGL V5200 in the T60p?
thanks,
DenTP4rm

ehsu · #13 Post by **ehsu** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:04 pm

DenTP4rm wrote: Hey "ehsu",
Thanks for the step-by-step. I have one question. Following your link to the Omegadriver site I could only find one file as of 5/29/06 "Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.252 (Catalyst 6.5)". Will this driver work for the ATI Mobility FireGL V5200 in the T60p?

Hi Den,

Sorry, I don't have a T60P so I cannot confirm your question. Based on previous posters in this thread, you will find posts confirmed that OmegaDriver works with FireGL cards.

sergeycentral wrote:
the Omegadrivers worked... no more crashes

pekka wrote:
Omegadrivers work with FireGL cards also.

Qoz3a wrote: i tried ur way to fix this problem ehsu and still didnt work for me ..

any help guyz ??

Sorry, that didn't help much. May I suggest that there are other forums that maybe helpful. You can also give them a try too. Good luck.

http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
http://forums.guru3d.com/
http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=27
http://www.hardforum.com/

DenTP4rm · #14 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Mon May 29, 2006 8:57 pm

ehsu wrote:Hi Den,

Sorry, I don't have a T60P so I cannot confirm your question. Based on previous posters in this thread, you will find posts confirmed that OmegaDriver works with FireGL cards.

Hey ehsu,
Thanks for the quick reply. I guess what I'm asking is, when you say "OmegaDriver" are you referring to the driver at the link you placed in the earlier email, i.e. http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php ? I'm not familiar with the site and I couldn't find any other drivers specifically for mobile cards. Is it a one-driver-fits-all deal?
thanks,
Den

jpresto · #15 Post by **jpresto** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:27 am

I'm running into the same problem, using ati drivers from lenovo site.

T60p 2623. Running TCAW and Elder Scrolls 4 both hang after 5-10 mins.

I haven't tried moving to the omega drivers, but I was assuming this was an overheat issue. Was thinking I'd try prime95 to rule out cpu overhead, but given the amount of heat I was getting off the laptop I think it was more GPU than CPU related.

Does anyone know if Omega drivers are underclocked?

Qoz3a · #16 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:40 am

Sorry, that didn't help much. May I suggest that there are other forums that maybe helpful. You can also give them a try too. Good luck.

http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
http://forums.guru3d.com/
http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=27
http://www.hardforum.com/

thanx for your support man ..

Qoz3a · #17 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:43 am

jpresto wrote:
Does anyone know if Omega drivers are underclocked?

I'm sure u can do whatever u want with omega .. but i think u need a guide to do it .. cuz its lettle complicated

astro · #18 Post by **astro** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:59 am

jpresto wrote:I haven't tried moving to the omega drivers, but I was assuming this was an overheat issue. Was thinking I'd try prime95 to rule out cpu overhead, but given the amount of heat I was getting off the laptop I think it was more GPU than CPU related.

Yes, the GPU is the hottest component in these T60s. Have you tried running ThinkPad FanControl while you are gaming (best if you can run the game in a window)? It would be interesting to see what temps you are getting.

jpresto · #19 Post by **jpresto** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:11 am

Interesting app - running T43 .18 I get the following reads:

CPU 55°C (0x78)
APS 43°C (0x79)
PCM 44°C (0x7a)
GPU 70°C (0x7b)
BAT 36°C (0x7c)
BAT 34°C (0x7e)
BUS 51°C (0xc0)
PCI 55°C (0xc1)
PWR 53°C (0xc2)

This is not gaming, just normal use. Others seeing similar numbers?

I'll try gaming in the next few days and see what I hit.

astro · #20 Post by **astro** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:48 am

jpresto wrote:Interesting app - running T43 .18 I get the following reads:

CPU 55°C 42°C
APS 43°C 33°C
PCM 44°C 34°C
GPU 70°C 63°C
BAT 36°C 50°C
BAT 34°C 27°C
BUS 51°C 35°C
PCI 55°C 42°C
PWR 53°C 42°C

This is not gaming, just normal use. Others seeing similar numbers?

Wow, I didn't realise the T60p would be so much hotter on average than my 2007-63U (2.0GHz, X1400) -- my numbers (idle on AC, @office) added above.

Qoz3a · #21 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 3:21 am

guyz ... T60P owners .. plz we need help with this serious problem .. I'm tring my best to solve this problem and i hope u do the same ..

I used the step-by-step solution by ehsu and it just delayed the crash ... before it was from 5 to 10 minutes now it's between 15 to 20 minutes .. and i'm sure its not heat issue .. i tried the latest drives by ATI and also Omega .. and my system is up to date for all drivers including direct X and thinkvantage ...

and those who are intersing to know the gaming expirince of T60P..

1) for BF2 .. i played high details with 1024X768 resolution .. guess what ?? IT WAS PERFECT !! no lag, very nice details the only problem is the crashing ..

2)for BFME2 .. also ultra detalis with 1024X768 resolution .. lttle laggy but playable .. but also still crashing.

p.s. sorry for my english language

Qoz3a · #22 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:26 am

actully i think the best way is to replace the FireGL drivers with Redeon drivers .. but unfortunatly all the guides that i found were for older FireGL cards and using old programs..

if someone would mind to place a guide how to replace the current FireGL drivers (v5200) with redeon (x1600)..

thanx in advance

Qoz3a · #23 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 3:02 pm

hey thinkpad gurus we are really facing a big problem here with T60p

FireGL made me crazy !! i have been tring to fix the crash about 8 hours and 0 result

plz if anyone knew how to fix this prblem just paste it here .. this is not only for me .. it's for all T60P owners who wants to play games

tselling · #24 Post by **tselling** » Tue May 30, 2006 3:18 pm

I've been playing Oblivion without any hangs or crashes with the latest Lenovo drivers.

Qoz3a · #25 Post by **Qoz3a** » Tue May 30, 2006 3:33 pm

tselling wrote:I've been playing Oblivion without any hangs or crashes with the latest Lenovo drivers.

Do u think that I'm the only one who is facing this prblem

christopher_wolf · #26 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:05 pm

Qoz3a wrote:
tselling wrote:I've been playing Oblivion without any hangs or crashes with the latest Lenovo drivers.
Do u think that I'm the only one who is facing this prblem

Nobody said that.

Teresa simply posted information about being ble to run Oblivion on Her system.

Pascal_TTH · #27 Post by **Pascal_TTH** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:22 pm

If every game crash, it could be a memory issue. Download Memtest86+ http://www.memtest.org/
It's an iso, you burn a CD and boot on it. It will start memory tests... If any error, it's an memory issue.

Do you have updated your games with last patchs ?

ehsu · #28 Post by **ehsu** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:50 pm

DenTP4rm wrote:
ehsu wrote:Hi Den,

Sorry, I don't have a T60P so I cannot confirm your question. Based on previous posters in this thread, you will find posts confirmed that OmegaDriver works with FireGL cards.
Hey ehsu,
Thanks for the quick reply. I guess what I'm asking is, when you say "OmegaDriver" are you referring to the driver at the link you placed in the earlier email, i.e. http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php ? I'm not familiar with the site and I couldn't find any other drivers specifically for mobile cards. Is it a one-driver-fits-all deal?
thanks,
Den

Yup, you are correct. The omega driver is the "one-driver-fits-all" deal.

Qoz3a · #29 Post by **Qoz3a** » Wed May 31, 2006 3:20 am

christopher_wolf wrote:
Qoz3a wrote: Do u think that I'm the only one who is facing this prblem
Nobody said that.

Teresa simply posted information about being ble to run Oblivion on Her system.

I just want know if other facing this problem and thank you Teresa for your response..

http://www.memtest.org/

gonna test memory thanx

Do you have updated your games with last patchs ?

my system is fully updated

Qoz3a · #30 Post by **Qoz3a** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:04 am

Solved

it was a ram issue , i removed the extra 1 gb ram and it worked just fine .. no more crashes ,, thanx everyone for ur support ..

i love this forum

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