blue screen upgrading to Seagate Momentus 7200

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aweingrad · #1 Post by **aweingrad** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:57 pm

My X60S 1702-AA5 came with an 80Gig Fujitsu 5200rpm.

So I cloned it using Casper XP to a seagate 100gig 7200rpm.

Seemed like a perfect clone.

But When I switched the hard drives the seagate was recognized but would not boot. I can boot from the fujitsu in the 2nd (serial) hard drive adapter in the ultrabay and see all the files on the Seagate. But when I switch the boot order back to the seagate, no go.

Thinkpad suppot has been of no help.

Help.

smugiri · #2 Post by **smugiri** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:31 am

Try marking the C partition on the new drive as active.

aweingrad · #3 Post by **aweingrad** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:09 am

When I boot from the second hard drive, my computer/manage lists it as active, same specs as the original Fujitso which now sits in the seond hard drive adapter of the ultrabase.

The bios recognies it, but it wont boot it.

smvp6459 · #4 Post by **smvp6459** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:09 am

I spent too much time today trying to clone the 60GB Travelstar that came with the 1702-4EU to a new 100GB drive. I was using a Ghost DOS boot disk, so it may not be entirely relevant: I forgot to set it to clone the boot sector on the disk...and setting the Windows partition to active did absolutely nothing for me. Once I told Ghost to store the boot sector information in the image, the clone worked perfectly.

Hope someone is saved an hour or two on such a simple problem to solve..

aweingrad · #5 Post by **aweingrad** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:36 am

The diskcopy software I used (Casper Xp 3.0) makes a perfect copy of the original disk boot sector and all. I have used it before to clone HD's and boot from them. There seems to be something about the IBM/Lenova handling of the seagate momentus that doesnt allow it to boot. I've searhed online for firmware upgrades (IBM has several technical papers and downloads on incompatible hard drives but does not list any seagate fixes. Essentially they only make firmware upgrades for hitachi and fujisto drives, their own partners. If this is in fact the case I am ticked off that they dont allow me to use a fine seagte 7200 drive in their new X60 series. I'd love a solution.

lavoiep · #6 Post by **lavoiep** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:19 pm

smvp6459

Exactly what ghost switch did you use to sucessfully clone the drive?

I'm upgrading from the 5400RPM Hitachi 100G to a Seagate Momentus 7200RPM 100G drive.

My old laptop is an X30 and I have used Ghost many times to clone/backup/recover the drive without incident (with no additional command line switches to Ghost)

However, I can't get it to work on the X60 to the Seagate. Data is all there, just won't boot.

I have a ultrabase sata adapter and tried both that (disk to disk) as well as disk to image then image to disk.

I made sure the partition is active, tried the MS recovery tools like fixboot and somehtingMBR, etc. No joy

I tried the ghost with the -ib switch and that did not help.

Anybody got any bright ideas? I'd prefer to continue using ghost as it's part of my regular backup scheme.

Thanks

smvp6459 · #7 Post by **smvp6459** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:11 pm

Let me preface with the fact that I used the Ghost boot diskettes made from Ghost 2003 and the disks are running PC DOS. I also use the GUI. And the image I created was for the entire disk, not just one partition - and I used the Image Boot option, as well. I put the images onto an external USB HD. Then I deployed the old image onto the new drive, booted up, and then hosed the recovery partition. I think I made sure -ib was selected for the image creation and the image deployment but I doubt that was necesary.

I'm not sure what's going on with you. -ib looks like the right thing.

Did you change the drive type in the BIOS before booting Ghost?

Are your images checking out ok?

Can you boot from the original drive?

Maybe it's time for -id...pretty sucky choice.

If the size of the images weren't so large, I'd gladly share mine with you. Ghost works on mine, I can't imagine why it's not working for you. It shouldn't matter that I have Hitachi and you have Seagate...is it possible there's some Seagate utility you need to run on the drive to make it usable?

Sorry that I have more questions than answers.

You could return the Seagate and get a Hitachi but it would suck if that's what you had to do to use Ghost.

pdudas · #8 Post by **pdudas** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:53 pm

I think you should use Acronis True image.
You can use the Acronis True Image Workstation V9.xyz which can backup your image to network. I did backup from my X60 and restored without a glitch. I think you should backup the full disk, then restore to the new disk. It will work. After that you should move the recovery partiton to the end of the new drive by partitionig program like Partition Magic or Acronis Disk Director Suite.

I tell you what to do: download the acronis true image workstation and acronis disk director suite (trial versions work well too)! Then install them. In the start menu you will find a Bootable Rescue Media Builder at the Acronis forlder. Run, and make a bootable Cdrom or pendrive. I made pendrive. It is only 60mb. Then you should press F12 at boot and boot from pendrive. It will boot from the pendrive and you have everything you need on the pendrive.

Antioch · #9 Post by **Antioch** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:36 am

Well, to absolutely prove that the Seagate disk isn't going to work, why don't you pop in a Windows install CD, boot from it, and see if it detects the HD to install on.

You could also go into the BIOS and see if it's detecting the Seagate as well.

If either of those work, then perhaps you really did make a bad image or your image isn't restoring properly.

I'd like to see if the X60 is actually refusing the HD or it's an image glitch.

Pdudas- What is the advantage of putting the recovery partition at the end of the drive? The end of the drive spins faster so wouldn't it be better to put your most accessed data there?

pdudas · #10 Post by **pdudas** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:56 am

Antioch wrote:What is the advantage of putting the recovery partition at the end of the drive? The end of the drive spins faster so wouldn't it be better to put your most accessed data there?

Because the end of the disk is the factory default space of the recovery partition. There is an IBM tool for activating the recovery partition if you made modifications in the partition table. Recovery partition must be the last on the disk.

smvp6459 · #11 Post by **smvp6459** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:56 am

What about using a Linux bootloader like GRUB?

pdudas · #12 Post by **pdudas** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:00 am

smvp6459 wrote:What about using a Linux bootloader like GRUB?

You cannot use boot loader if you want to press the thinkvantage button to start the recovery partition.....

smvp6459 · #13 Post by **smvp6459** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:34 am

If you have good imaging software that's used as part of a backup strategy and you have the original factory drive to fall back on, why would you want to keep the recovery partition?

Besides, it seems like your options are dwindling with the Seagate. One might argue that, as it currently stands, you can't get to the recovery partition using the Seagate anyway.

lavoiep · #14 Post by **lavoiep** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:05 pm

Well, I can now confirm that a 7200 RPM 100G Momentus does work..

I was originally using ghost 2003, tried both a disk to disk image and a disk to file image and then a file to disk restore.

No joy, the disk was readable but not bootable.

Make sure I used the -ib switch in Ghost, still no joy.

The BIOS did of course see the drive.

Switched the controller in BIOS to compatibility mode, went through a XP install from CD until I got to the point where it would boot off the drive. Figured I had the boot sector/MBR working at that point and then layered the original image on top (skipping the restore of the boot sector). That failed to boot as well.

I then tried using Ghost 9 and it worked. Not sure why ghost 2003 did not work, been doing this on a X31 for 3 years without issues.

The laptop is now running fine off the Momentus. Much faster than the original 5400 RPM drive. I also blew away the IBM restore partition as I don't see myself ever going back to factory state.

Ghost 9 does everything I want - I can back up the drive across my LAN to my local fileserver (very fast, as the laptop and the fileserver are on gig links and transfer rate is something like 400Mbit/sec). In case of complete drive failure I just pop in the Ghost CD and restore off the fileserver image. Tested the complete procedure and it works fine.

Ghost 9 operating in "windows running" mode on the backup side is a bonus over Ghost 2003 as 2003 required dropping to dos for the backup.

I travel for business a lot, so I regularly back it up in case the laptop is stolen/lost/broken. Given all the specially licensed software I have on it I'm interested in restoring to last state, not factory state so losing the recovery partition is no big deal and I needed the space. If the laptop craps out on the road no big deal being without it until I get home.

By the way, another trick I did is to move the IBMTools folder to my fileserver and add the path to the software update utility. This allowed me to locally delete 1.5G of stuff in that folder from the local disk. I have to be home to run the software update utility but I'm fine with that.

As regards the Momentus, there is a slight vibration (no big deal), and no noise/heat issues. I may have lost some battery life but again no big deal as I have the 8 cell battery and extended battery that plugs into the laptop dock port and power ports are usually handy.

pdudas · #15 Post by **pdudas** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:28 pm

Can you test the decreasing of the battery time too?
Battery time before/after would be nice!

gandini · #16 Post by **gandini** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:14 pm

Noobie question: When all the laptop HDs were 4200rpm, I bought a Hitachi 5400rpm drive. Now that they all come with 5400, all of us in the nose-bleed section are moving to 7200rpm drives. Why choose the Seagate over the Hitachi drive? I thought IBM supported Hitachi drives--and wouldn't I have better compatibility with such a drive over a Seagate?
Why did you choose the Seagate?

thanks for any responses.
phil gandini

smvp6459 · #17 Post by **smvp6459** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:50 am

It's very subjective:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/11/ ... d_furious/

lavoiep · #18 Post by **lavoiep** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:35 pm

I have had very good luck with Seagate drives over the years and prefer to stick with seagate whenever possible.

As the previous poster mentioned it's very subjective as to which one is actually better - both are great drives.

pdudas · #19 Post by **pdudas** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:16 pm

Once again:

Can you test the decreasing of the battery time too?
Battery time before/after would be nice!
Seagate's drive consumes 3.3w power, which is a lot more than the factory installed Hitachi.

lavoiep · #20 Post by **lavoiep** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:27 am

Re battery life after upgrade to the 7200 RPM Momentus:

My X60 is a 170997U
Internal 8 cell battery + extended battery (plugs into dock port of laptop)

Fully charged both batteries

Fired up laptop with original 100G 5400 RPM Hitachi disk, then
the 100G 7200 RPM Momentus.

After logging in, executed the same series of operations lasting about 3 minutes (open outlook, bring up PDF file, word doc, etc)

After executing the operations, battery time reported by the battery meter:

Hitachi: 11.1 hours
Seagate: 10.5 hours

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