Merom and X series

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rkuo · #1 Post by **rkuo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:31 am

Since Merom is supposedly shipping very soon now, does anyone know how long it typically takes for new processors to show up in the Thinkpad lines?

Also, does anyone know if the processor in the X60 is socketed or soldered? If I could upgrade after the fact, that might not be a bad option either.

Duo Secundus · #2 Post by **Duo Secundus** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:33 am

rkuo wrote:Also, does anyone know if the processor in the X60 is socketed or soldered? If I could upgrade after the fact, that might not be a bad option either.

The processor is soldered. It has always been so for the X series IIRC.

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sugo · #3 Post by **sugo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:50 pm

LV Merom won't ship for a while. Thus probably no update for X60s this summer.

lucas · #4 Post by **lucas** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:13 pm

i talked to some lenovo people, and they expect the x60s merom to be out in september

sugo · #5 Post by **sugo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:18 pm

lucas wrote:i talked to some lenovo people, and they expect the x60s merom to be out in september

Are you sure the lenovo people said X60s not X60? X60 doesn't use LV chips.

lucas · #6 Post by **lucas** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:54 am

i said x60s... or am i confused?

Saml01 · #7 Post by **Saml01** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:29 am

September huh.

hmmm

Im in a predicament.

I gotta decide weather or not I want to stick with the order I placed for the X60s on friday. Fully loaded with dock and drive for 1900 shipped with tax included

dfumento · #8 Post by **dfumento** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:23 am

Unless you need the 64-bit or extra performance (est. 20%), I'd order b/c it will be awhile before they are shipping the units and they are likely to be more expensive. I use the X60s w/8 cell and it is wonderful.

lucas · #9 Post by **lucas** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:33 pm

i just want sxga+, which she hinted at...

Saml01 · #10 Post by **Saml01** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:06 pm

lucas wrote:i just want sxga+, which she hinted at...

I doubt that.

Honestly i doubt a lot of things people hear from reps. I talked to like 10 reps in the span of two days and all of them didnt give me one shred of any special information that I couldnt already find online or guess.

nuno77 · #11 Post by **nuno77** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:22 pm

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32628

This article is about Dell expanding their AMD offerings, but towards the end it mentions that Apple and Lenovo are going to be 1st in line to get Merom chips. No idea about when they are going to start selling the computers though...

Can anybody enlighten me about the actual advantages of Merom? Is it just speed? Is it worth the extra cost for someone who’s not that concerned with speed?

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Saml01 · #12 Post by **Saml01** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:41 pm

nuno77 wrote:http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32628

This article is about Dell expanding their AMD offerings, but towards the end it mentions that Apple and Lenovo are going to be 1st in line to get Merom chips. No idea about when they are going to start selling the computers though...

Can anybody enlighten me about the actual advantages of Merom? Is it just speed? Is it worth the extra cost for someone who’s not that concerned with speed?

Best

In a nutshell. With merom you get 64bit, a unified cache meaning that the cores share the same cache, and approx 20% speed boost.

Im in the same boat with you as are a lot of people, decisions decisions right? I think speed isnt going to be the deciding factor for me, price is.

kulivontot · #13 Post by **kulivontot** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:11 pm

yonah has a shared cache too...

Saml01 · #14 Post by **Saml01** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:21 pm

kulivontot wrote:yonah has a shared cache too...

I dont think so. I may be wrong, I havent checked but I think it doesnt.

christopher_wolf · #15 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:38 pm

Saml01 wrote:
kulivontot wrote:yonah has a shared cache too...
I dont think so. I may be wrong, I havent checked but I think it doesnt.

The two cores in Yonah share the 2MB L2 Cache.

ozmann · #16 Post by **ozmann** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:39 pm

Saml01 wrote:I dont think so. I may be wrong, I havent checked but I think it doesnt.

From the Tabook specs, there appears to be a shared cache:

The Tabook wrote:Intel® Core™ Duo processor L2400 (1.66GHz) with low voltage, dual-core, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep™ technology1, Execute Disable Bit, and 667MHz system bus /2MB L2 cache (shared).

Allan

christopher_wolf · #17 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:44 pm

Also, if I am not mistaken, it is bumped up to a 4MB shared L2 cache for the Merom (with the distinct possibility of an 8MB L2 sometime in the future afterwards as Woodcrest is planned to have that). There will also be a shared 2MB L2 cache version as well.

Saml01 · #18 Post by **Saml01** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:06 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:
Saml01 wrote: I dont think so. I may be wrong, I havent checked but I think it doesnt.
The two cores in Yonah share the 2MB L2 Cache.

and you are correct on the 4mb cache

thibouille27 · #19 Post by **thibouille27** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:07 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:Also, if I am not mistaken, it is bumped up to a 4MB shared L2 cache for the Merom (with the distinct possibility of an 8MB L2 sometime in the future afterwards as Woodcrest is planned to have that). There will also be a shared 2MB L2 cache version as well.

Yes and no, some clockspeeds have 2MB and some 4MB.

christopher_wolf · #20 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:53 pm

thibouille27 wrote:
christopher_wolf wrote:Also, if I am not mistaken, it is bumped up to a 4MB shared L2 cache for the Merom (with the distinct possibility of an 8MB L2 sometime in the future afterwards as Woodcrest is planned to have that). There will also be a shared 2MB L2 cache version as well.
Yes and no, some clockspeeds have 2MB and some 4MB.

Nes or Yo?

Yeah, I know; there is a list posted somewhere in the T6X Forums about this.

nuno77 · #21 Post by **nuno77** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:44 am

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3543

Saml01 · #22 Post by **Saml01** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:43 am

nuno77 wrote:http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3543

Good article though id like to see a CoreDuo Vs Core 2 duo comparison of the merom, or the processors that will be in laptops.

Edit: this sucks, I cant even find a data sheet on the merom. I want to kow what frequencys its going to be offered at, what voltage it will run, and what its power consumption will be.

Interesting note, L2400 consumes 15watts. I did not know this.

nuno77 · #23 Post by **nuno77** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:20 am

Dailytech mentions a review of the Merom done by PC Perspective. They compare the CoreDuo with Core 2 Duo, although the only thing they did was replacing the CPU on a CoreDuo Notebook, therefore the comparison might be misleading at times…

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=276

Saml01 · #24 Post by **Saml01** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:51 am

nuno77 wrote:Dailytech mentions a review of the Merom done by PC Perspective. They compare the CoreDuo with Core 2 Duo, although the only thing they did was replacing the CPU on a CoreDuo Notebook, therefore the comparison might be misleading at times…

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=276

I found this article in another thread, i think it was in the hardware/software forum.

Doesnt show a big difference, pretty much how people predicted.

david25 · #25 Post by **david25** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:27 pm

Hi

Yonah 2.00ghz 31sec
Merom 2.13ghz 23 sec

In super pi 1m

Saml01 · #26 Post by **Saml01** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:11 pm

david25 wrote:Hi

Yonah 2.00ghz 31sec
Merom 2.13ghz 23 sec

In super pi 1m

I dont know what to think. Seems like its nothing to me.

Source?

thibouille27 · #27 Post by **thibouille27** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:21 pm

LOL Of course this is a good indication of the power of a CPU.
Tell me , who is (not talking about scientists and mathematicians) calculating PI or any such sort f workload all day with his laptop.

SuperPI is one of those thing which should never be used as benchmark, nor Sandra or whatever crap.

I know Merom is quite a bit beter than Yonah, but SuperPI is really not informative.

david25 · #28 Post by **david25** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:53 pm

It tells you that if merom is a more powerful chip for the same thermal specs as yonah (i use a merom in desktop a system)

christopher_wolf · #29 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:53 pm

thibouille27 wrote:LOL Of course this is a good indication of the power of a CPU.
Tell me , who is (not talking about scientists and mathematicians) calculating PI or any such sort f workload all day with his laptop.

SuperPI is one of those thing which should never be used as benchmark, nor Sandra or whatever crap.

I know Merom is quite a bit beter than Yonah, but SuperPI is really not informative.

Depends on what is done.

Getting good marks in SuperPi doesn't mean that calculating Pi like that is the only thing it can do that fast. Should any other application require extremely fast throughput of many calculations per unit time, then you are starting to get closer to what SuperPi is actually telling you. You would probably notice it in Excel.

But for Word? I doubt many would see the difference.

Saml01 · #30 Post by **Saml01** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:59 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:
thibouille27 wrote:LOL Of course this is a good indication of the power of a CPU.
Tell me , who is (not talking about scientists and mathematicians) calculating PI or any such sort f workload all day with his laptop.

SuperPI is one of those thing which should never be used as benchmark, nor Sandra or whatever crap.

I know Merom is quite a bit beter than Yonah, but SuperPI is really not informative.
Depends on what is done.

Getting good marks in SuperPi doesn't mean that calculating Pi like that is the only thing it can do that fast. Should any other application require extremely fast throughput of many calculations per unit time, then you are starting to get closer to what SuperPi is actually telling you. You would probably notice it in Excel.

But for Word? I doubt many would see the difference.

I doubt you would notice it in excel as well unless you are dealing with some very serious quantitative information.

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