hard drive for a T23?

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BigWarpGuy · #1 Post by **BigWarpGuy** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:40 pm

What is a good hard drive for a T23? Which brand is recommended? What size (in gigabytes) can the T23 handle? Where is the best place to buy one?

Website · #2 Post by **tfflivemb2** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:54 pm

The T23 can handle the largest PATA 2.5" hard drive that you can get (9.5mm or thinner).

Brands: Just about any brand would be good. Hitatchi and IBM are my favorites.

Locations: Check brentpresley for a fast and large hard drive. He has 60GB and larger 4200-7200rpm drives. Very reliable.

JHEM · #3 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:26 pm

Get one of Brent's Hitachi 7K60s Warp, you'll never be sorry.

As Steve says, the T23 will take any PATA HD presently available.

Regards,

James

deschek · #4 Post by **deschek** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:47 am

Got some HDD in random computers and one that i really like is seagate drives, that`s why i`m using another one in my T23.

ambientscape · #5 Post by **ambientscape** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:11 am

I would recommend Western Digital HDD. Its reliable and very quiet....

naro · #6 Post by **naro** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:13 am

Samsung hdds are pretty cool...

i was using E7K60 and it gets quite warm. but since i changed to Samsung HM120JC, its quite cool ard the palmrest area.....

ambientscape · #7 Post by **ambientscape** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:51 am

naro wrote:Samsung hdds are pretty cool...

i was using E7K60 and it gets quite warm. but since i changed to Samsung HM120JC, its quite cool ard the palmrest area.....

I have bad experience sith Samsung products......I don;t know why!?. I had a Samsung DVD drive for my desktop years back...and not functioning after 3 months.......got replacement but after that not able to read any cd's after 1 year.
Besides that, I had a Samsung phone.....and the screen blown after about 7 to 8 months!. Got replacement.......but the reception is getting poorer and poorer each day. Then......I never switch back to Samsung again.

#8 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:09 am

Fujitsu might be a good hard drive brand to look at. They seem to be relativel inexpensive and they are on average pretty reliable. Also, as far as Hitachi drives go, I have plenty of bad experiences with the older non-TravelStar hard drives produced by Hitachi before the IBM hard drive division buyout so if you buy a Hitachi that's used, make sure it's a TravelStar.

ambientscape wrote:Besides that, I had a Samsung phone.....and the screen blown after about 7 to 8 months!. Got replacement.......but the reception is getting poorer and poorer each day. Then......I never switch back to Samsung again.

Samsung is the only phone I buy these days. The phone I have now is a Samsung X105 that's been in use for three years now. That ol' thing seems to be immune to drops (well, it does have plenty of scratches) and the battery still holds it's charge for up to a week. I'm using this phone agian after my newer phone died when I forgot about it in my pocket before diving into a pool.

pianowizard · #9 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:10 pm

I haven't tried enough laptop hard drives to recommend specific brands, but in the last few years I have been ordering both desktop and laptop hard drives exclusively from Newegg.com due to their super-fast shipping and very competitive prices. If you haven't ordered from them before, give them a try!

#10 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:15 am

Already did! Got four HTS541060G9AT00 (60GB) drives from them a few months ago and have been upgrading a couple of my 600Xs and T23s. These drives are quiet and even though they are only 5400rpm, they are fast enough for me. We'll see what their life span is as two of them are already in both daughter's 600X systems. They always seem to carry the powered-up laptops around the house

against my wishes.

BigWarpGuy · #11 Post by **BigWarpGuy** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:41 am

Thank you for the recomendations. I will check them out.

brentpresley · #12 Post by **brentpresley** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:51 pm

naro wrote:Samsung hdds are pretty cool...

i was using E7K60 and it gets quite warm. but since i changed to Samsung HM120JC, its quite cool ard the palmrest area.....

Not to threadcrap here, but if you were using an E7K60 in a laptop - THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.

All of the "E" series 2.5" Hitachi HDs are designed solely for blade servers. They have none of the power-down and idle function features that the normal 2.5" laptop HDs have. They were designed to be put in a well-ventilated server and run full steam. In a laptop they cannot breath and cannot power down to an "idle" state when you aren't doing anything.

You should really be thankful the HD didn't die on you in that situation.

Sportler2k3 · #13 Post by **Sportler2k3** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:38 pm

im using only toshiba HDD's

3with 40 gigs one with 30 and 1 with 6 Gigs, lovingen them, very quiet and in my opinion very fast. Even with 4200 Rpm.

Greetz
Marc

tom_k · #14 Post by **tom_k** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:56 am

12.7mm HDD`s also fit into T20 - T23 .

brentpresley wrote:All of the "E" series 2.5" Hitachi HDs are designed solely for blade servers. They have none of the power-down and idle function features that the normal 2.5" laptop HDs have. They were designed to be put in a well-ventilated server and run full steam. In a laptop they cannot breath and cannot power down to an "idle" state when you aren't doing anything.

Sure ? Should i take mine out ?
Any bad experiences with E7K.. in Thinkpads ?

I use an HTE721060g9at00 (aka E7K100 ) in my T40,
Temperature hardly excceeds 40°C (everest) ,
and imo HD powers down after chosen time.
Sorry , can`t prove it now , will check it later w hgst power boost.
Data sheets show differences in power states of HTE + HTS ,
but sleep + standby are also shown up for the HTE`s
(7K100_sata_spv2.1.pdf + e7k100_sata_sp1.0.pdf)

regards tom_k

T23 2648-DG1 , 98se+++, 2x512MB(-64kB;)
st94011a/mhn2020at, >250Wh, etc pp
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sorry for bad language + style

brentpresley · #15 Post by **brentpresley** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:11 am

tom_k wrote:12.7mm HDD`s also fit into T20 - T23 .

brentpresley wrote:All of the "E" series 2.5" Hitachi HDs are designed solely for blade servers. They have none of the power-down and idle function features that the normal 2.5" laptop HDs have. They were designed to be put in a well-ventilated server and run full steam. In a laptop they cannot breath and cannot power down to an "idle" state when you aren't doing anything.
Sure ? Should i take mine out ?
Any bad experiences with E7K.. in Thinkpads ?

I use an HTE721060g9at00 (aka E7K100 ) in my T40,
Temperature hardly excceeds 40°C (everest) ,
and imo HD powers down after chosen time.
Sorry , can`t prove it now , will check it later w hgst power boost.
Data sheets show differences in power states of HTE + HTS ,
but sleep + standby are also shown up for the HTE`s
(7K100_sata_spv2.1.pdf + e7k100_sata_sp1.0.pdf)

Yes, I am 100% sure.

The E7K100 CANNOT power down to a low "idle" power state. All it can do is go into standby or sleep.

FACTS:
Power draw for 7K100 - http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/7k100/7k100.htm

Power draw for E7k100 -
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/e7k100/e7k100.htm

Notice the idle power draws (the power when the drive is spinning but not sending or receiving data). 1.1W vs 1.8W for the PATA versions.

Furthermore, the E7K100 does not have the ability to go into a lower power spin state, something that the 7K100 CAN DO (0.85W power draw for the 7K100).

For Serial ATA, those numbers are EVEN HIGHER.
2.1W vs. 1.2W/0.9W

Simply put, the E series was NEVER designed for laptop use:
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/e ... 100_ov.htm (about 2/3 down the page - "This combination of capacity, performance and shock tolerance enables the E7K100 to satisfy the demands for rugged, reliable storage in non-stop environments."). Then on down the page they list blade servers, etc. as the recommended use for the drive.

In the past couple years, people have REPEATEDLY bought the E7K100 because it is about 15% cheaper than the 7K100. Well, you get what you pay for. The failure rate is a lot higher when used in a laptop.

PLUS - because the drive cannot reach a lower power idle, it sucks down battery power at a faster clip. Overall battery life is about 10-15% less than compared to the 7K100 series.

tom_k · #16 Post by **tom_k** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:52 pm

@BrentPresley

Let me say thank you for Your precise and excellent post,
and Sorry for my late answer .
1st one had been caught by the bsod (d...ed xp)
and too "much trouble every day" (fz) ,
only little time to formulate an -as i hope- understandable answer
(btw, excuse my bad language, lack of vocabulary, grammar + practice:( )

I must admit not to have read the data sheets exactly,
though i knew about difference in Power status and consumption.
Usually i shut HD`s down , occasionally using xmsdisk up to 768MB (1st overkill:)
Also got plenty of Batteries, sometimes carrying >250Wh/>2Kg`s (2nd overkill :):)
hotswapping the Main Battery, Ultrabay-Battery inserted during swap,
So Energy is not that point for me.

btw. this does sound american to me ;)
(scnr! sometimes sarcastic tendencies are just overwhelming me,
- maybe i schould pass this over to the greenpeace post or delete it)

The "real" problem of E7k100 imho is Temperature
40°C maximum according to data sheet (overloked that 1st:( )
So i watched it very suspiciously during last weeks.
The Disk is pm in my T40 / 768MB intl2200b/g
a rather cool place , compared to the T2x with Ram under the hdd , additionally heating it up.
Temperature has been measured under xpp/sp1, though standard is 98se/sp2.1b.
38°C was absolute maximum i got with mobilemeter or everest home,
outside it was mostly about 24° or lower
Maximum was reached during long Operations ,
seems like copying some GB of small files (positioning head)
produces more heat than the same amount in big files.

So as you might have read between the lines ,
i`d like to keep the Drive , as long i can be rather shure
that a breaking down HD will not harm the T40.
(please tell me if not !)

Also it wouldn`t be ok to sell it "into another notebook"
knowing all this.

Prices tend to be higher for used e7K100`s than the 7k100,
i bought it 2nd Hand but rather unused, via ebay, original bill jul2005,
(afair smart showed <70 times power up ; < 300h power on time.
imo at that time , it was the best Drive of that size i could afford.

I`ll continue watching the e7k100, specially temperature + its (impressive) performance,
any signifiant changes or a breakdown will be posted asap.

Regards tom_k

agarza · #17 Post by **agarza** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:49 pm

Thanks to tom_k for pointing me from this thread:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=30255

I bought a NEW E7K100 for 90 USD, which is a really good price here in Mexico for a 7200 rpm drive.

Mine runs approx. @ 42C when full loading (gaming, etc..) but idling about 36C

I'm not too concerned about battery life as I don't tend to use the laptop on DC power for long times.
Also I use the original HDD my laptop came (40GB 5400rpm) in the Ultrabay Slim, so I guess having 2 disks on the same laptop drain a lot more the battery.

So far I've not experienced any problems with the drive.
It's very fast. And I'm very happy to experience this because my last Thinkpad was a T30 with stock 30GB 4200rpm drive, a real bottleneck.

So I'll post in the future something if my drive fails (hope not)

wolfman · #18 Post by **wolfman** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:34 pm

Best of luck, I've been using mine in my R40 for about 2 years now. I, like you, use the machine plugged in almost exclusively, so I wasn't concerned about the battery time impact. The main reason I bought the E7k60 over the 7k60 is that it was rated for heavy read/write cycles, etc as a blade server drive so I thought it would be more reliable and last longer.

So far so good - maybe the extra thickness of the R40 over a T40 allows better airflow...

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