Greenpeace Ranking: Lenovo worst

[Dead1nside]

Because Bush is a cretin and a want-to-be dictator.

As for my analogy, it seems perfectly logical to me. If you're going to lambast several companies at least give them some guidelines to improve etc.

[mattbiernat]

Because Bush is a cretin and a want-to-be dictator.

As for my analogy, it seems perfectly logical to me. If you're going to lambast several companies at least give them some guidelines to improve etc.

its not as much Bush himself as the overall decline of the democracy in united states that allowed person like bush to invade another country without his actions being challanged. but this has been going for a while now, take a look at MacCarthy's witch hunt for communists. can you see the parallel to Bush's witch hunt for terrorists? People in fear are just easier to rule. Except unlike MacCarthy, Bush has taken the transformation from Democracy to Dictatorship one step further. He proclaimed that we are constantly at war with terrorists, this gives him similar powers to FDR during World War II. Except now, unlike World War II the war will never be over because there will be always presidents claiming that we are at war with terrorists. Now we have came to a critical moment in U.S. history in which presidents assume the powers of nearly dictators. This has been proven with the invasion of Iraq which broke several international laws and the patriot act which is unconstitutional. But there is nothing unusual about this, every country goes through a shift of a government which either marks its decline in history or raise to a new world super power.

[Dead1nside]

its not as much Bush himself as the overall decline of the democracy in united states that allowed person like bush to invade another country without his actions being challanged. but this has been going for a while now, take a look at MacCarthy's witch hunt for communists. can you see the parallel to Bush's witch hunt for terrorists? People in fear are just easier to rule. Except unlike MacCarthy, Bush has taken the transformation from Democracy to Dictatorship one step further. He proclaimed that we are constantly at war with terrorists, this gives him similar powers to FDR during World War II. Except now, unlike World War II the war will never be over because there will be always presidents claiming that we are at war with terrorists. Now we have came to a critical moment in U.S. history in which presidents assume the powers of nearly dictators. This has been proven with the invasion of Iraq which broke several international laws and the patriot act which is unconstitutional. But there is nothing unusual about this, every country goes through a shift of a government which either marks its decline in history or raise to a new world super power.

Not being a US citizen, I want to point out I'm not trying to incite anything with my comments, they are just my observations and opinions. I also apologise for the off-topic nature, but I find it rude not to reply to comments. So I will.

Bush I liken to Hitler, I'm a student of History and the steps he takes seem to be like the ones that the WWII axis dictators used to consolidate power, prior to the second world war.

The PATRIOT act was supreme example of this, an over arching law that had no real definition. You couldn't get much closer to an acerbo law or the enabling act, these days if you tried.

However, we currently; both the USA and UK, to my knowledge do have a set limit on how long a president or prime minister respectivley can hold their places.

EDIT: This topic has changed so many times in this thread.

[mattbiernat]

Not being a US citizen, I want to point out I'm not trying to incite anything with my comments, they are just my observations and opinions. I also apologise for the off-topic nature, but I find it rude not to reply to comments. So I will.

The PATRIOT act was supreme example of this, an over arching law that had no real definition. You couldn't get much closer to an acerbo law or the enabling act, these days if you tried.

However, we currently both the USA and UK to my knowledge do have a set limit on how long a president or prime minister respectivley can hold their places.

EDIT: This topic has changed so many times in this thread.

well this is off topic forum anyways....

and your citizenship has nothing to do with it. Im both Polish and US Citizen, although i feel more of the U.S. than polish because i've been educated right here.

Bush I liken to Hitler, I'm a student of History and the steps he takes seem to be like the ones that the WWII axis dictators used to consolidate power, prior to the second world war.

i am not a student of history, i'm on my 5th year (super senior ) at UCI and going to med school somewhere in Europe. But history, sociology and philosophy have always been my hobbies . Anyways i have made similar comparison between Hitler and Bush several times and i've noticed that it only produces outrage among many people. The reason is simple: Hitler caused death of many people while Bush has not killed anyone (or at least this has not been proven to him yet). But there is a striking similarity between Bush and Hitler regarding the US agression on Iraq. Both Bush and Hitler invaded another country for strictly economic gains under a pretext of being either dirctly attacked by that country or under an imminent threat of being attacked. But this cannot be attributed only to Hitler or Bush, most dictators thoughout history have done that.
And regarding Bush's consolidation of power it seems to be like it is nothing to the extant of Hitler's consolidatoin of power. Hitler gained power by killing his opponents while Bush has not done that yet (and i don't think he ever will).

[Dead1nside]

well this is off topic forum anyways....

and your citizenship has nothing to do with it. Im both Polish and US Citizen, although i feel more of the U.S. than polish because i've been educated right here.

Off topic to the topic.

i am not a student of history, i'm on my 5th year (super senior ) at UCI and going to med school somewhere in Europe. But history, sociology and philosophy have always been my hobbies . Anyways i have made similar comparison between Hitler and Bush several times and i've noticed that it only produces outrage among many people. The reason is simple: Hitler caused death of many people while Bush has not killed anyone (or at least this has not been proven to him yet). But there is a striking similarity between Bush and Hitler regarding the US agression on Iraq. Both Bush and Hitler invaded another country for strictly economic gains under a pretext of being either dirctly attacked by that country or under an imminent threat of being attacked. But this cannot be attributed only to Hitler or Bush, most dictators thoughout history have done that.
And regarding Bush's consolidation of power it seems to be like it is nothing to the extant of Hitler's consolidatoin of power. Hitler gained power by killing his opponents while Bush has not done that yet (and i don't think he ever will).

Peopl don't like comparing Bush to Hitler because in a sense it is wrong, I don't think you can ever really compare two people. People oft think that this comparison is made just for shock purposes, it's not it's viable.

Hitler didn't really kill many himself to my knowledge, always getting the SA or the SS to do his work. A figure of such power cannot be tainted to the public by killing off his competitors or other people, himself.

This is why you can liken Bush to Hitler, with the use of the army. In this day and age one does not assassinate their political opponents, otherwise I'm sure he would have tried already. This can further be seen from the Night of the Long Knives and also in the Matteotti Crisis, amongst others.

In Western "civilised" countries this no longer takes place, apparently.

[mattbiernat]

Hitler didn't really kill many himself to my knowledge, always getting the SA or the SS to do his work. A figure of such power cannot be tainted to the public by killing off his competitors or other people, himself.

yeah that's what i meant. but you know what can i do, my English grammar is far from perfect and sometimes it gets in a way of people understanding what i mean.

This is why you can liken Bush to Hitler, with the use of the army. In this day and age one does not assassinate their political opponents, otherwise I'm sure he would have tried already. This can further be seen from the Night of the Long Knives and also in the Matteotti Crisis, amongst others.

In Western "civilised" countries this no longer takes place, apparently.

this is very interesting how human society changes with time. it could be thus inaccure to look at world history as only "repeating itself." there does seem to be a pattern of civilized changes.

[doppelfish]

Hey, look again: The current report tells us, ...

And Chinese manufacturer Lenovo has jumped from last place to the middle of the pack to top dog in six months: all they need to do for a perfect 10 is to get a green product on the market.

I, for one, hope that TPs stay black, though.

cheers,
-- fish

[ronbo613]

The only thing I will say about this is that it is yet another example of being on one side and bashing the other, never any middle ground to be found.

[andyP]

STOP THE PRESSES

Just found this on the BBC News Website

"Lenovo tops eco-friendly ranking"

Dell 3=
Apple 14th and last

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6525307.stm

Would anyone like to change their opinions regarding Greenpeace?
or am I barking up the wrong tree

[gator]

http://www.lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=74

[reltor]

I really don't care what that bunch of self-serving tree-hugging homos came up with.

I would buy a laptop that drinks oil and burns used tires if it never crashed and did what was needed.