Cdrw drive upgrade for 770Z (Dial up user pictures ! )

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cmarti · #1 Post by **cmarti** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:20 pm

What are my options the drive looks the same as the one of my 600X but the connector on the back is soldered.

I would like to upgrade my 770Z to cdrw and remove the cd drive i have currently installed my machine type number is: 9549-8BU
Any advice?

cmarti · #2 Post by **cmarti** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:09 pm

Nobody here has experimented with any 770Z cd drive?

Please share your knowledge.

rodgermcliff · #3 Post by **rodgermcliff** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:46 pm

cmarti wrote:Nobody here has experimented with any 770Z cd drive?

Please share your knowledge.

OK...

I own one... bought it on Ebay. Tired to make one before with no success... probably just got a bad CDRW drive.

There is no such thing from the factory. You can make a conversion with the right DVD drive case. The faceplate will not match up, but it will work. Do a search in this forum. There should be a thread on it with lots of good info.

Rodger

cmarti · #4 Post by **cmarti** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:34 am

rodgermcliff wrote:
Do a search in this forum. There should be a thread on it with lots of good info.

Rodger

Thanks but i already search and there is no thread.

The drive is the same one as in other laptops, the only difference is that it does not uses a connector at the back it has a cable soldered in place and that is the connector. No removable one, so it seems that the only way to go if i want to upgrade my current drive is ebay.

If i can only use the sony dvd.cdrw drive that i have at hand to me the looks are not so important i am more into funtionality.

Thanks...

#5 Post by **pkiff** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:30 am

cmarti wrote:The drive is the same one as in other laptops, the only difference is that it does not uses a connector at the back it has a cable soldered in place and that is the connector. No removable one, so it seems that the only way to go if i want to upgrade my current drive is ebay.

I always intended to upgrade to a CD-RW/DVD-R/RW, but I never got around to it. I got as far as obtaining a variety of different original 770/E/ED/X/Z drives, with the intention of investigating which caddies I might be able to use to swap in a new drive.

Your interest has inspired me to take a look at these different caddies again and open them up to examine the different connectors used. From what I can tell, different original 770 drives come with different configurations of the IDE connector, and not all of them are soldered in place. Here's a summary of the connection info based on visual inspection.

Note that IBM FRU numbers may I think be used for almost identical drives that come from another manufacturer, so these part numbers are not a guarantee of what the connector will look like.

Best Bet:
M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065
Date: 9909 Rev: 304
Connector:
Appears to be a standard internal IDE connector fully compatible with current standard slimline 12mm CD/DVD drives.

Soldered Connector:
Sanyo CRD-S372BDB 24X CD-ROM Drive
IBM FRU: 02K0515 ASM P/N: 02K0513
Date: November 1998 Rev: 104
Connector:
This appears to be a non-standard, soldered connector. I didn't open up the drive itself to verify this, but the cable ribbon disappears inside the actual drive instead of connecting to a visible plug.

Slighly Off-Center Connector:
Toshiba SD-C2002 DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05K9014 ASM P/N: 05K9013
Date: 9806 Rev: 003
Connector:
This appears to use something that looks like a standard slimline connector plug, but the plug does not quite line up with the location of the connector plug on current/recent slimline drives. I did not open up the actual drive to verify anything, but it looks like it would not fit a standard slimline drive.

I've taken some photos of the connectors, and if I have a chance I will post them somewhere, but from what I can tell, of the three different OEM IBM branded drives I've got, only the Panasonic/M a t s u s h i t a DVD drive has a standard connector.

Now, whether that means the 770Z will recognize a different drive inside that caddy remains to be seen. I'm going to start to look for an appropriate model on eBay.

cmarti,
Can you tell us the part/model number info for the drive you have that uses a soldered connector? Is it the same as the one I list above?

Phil.

cmarti · #6 Post by **cmarti** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:31 pm

Phil,

Thanks as always you come for the rescue!

I am using today the 600X but as soon i get home this night i will look for the FRU # from the 770Z drive and will post the information.

Thanks again...

Carlos

catnap1972 · #7 Post by **catnap1972** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:06 pm

pkiff wrote: Best Bet:
M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065
Date: 9909 Rev: 304
Connector:
Appears to be a standard internal IDE connector fully compatible with current standard slimline 12mm CD/DVD drives.

I can vouch for this as I transplanted the old 8171 from my 770X with an 8178 (can read/play "burned" DVDs as well as DVD-RAM). The only two issues you'll probably have to worry about is the bezel not fitting correctly (see if you can use the old one if that's the case), and if the drive has a switch to make it "see" whether it's a master or slave drive or if the "switch" is based in the firmware. If the latter is the case, make sure you get the right one as firmware updates to change the positioning (master or slave) are rarely available.

cmarti · #8 Post by **cmarti** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:10 am

Ok i am back!

Here is the information of drive that i have currently installed.

FRU #05K9060
Sanyo
CRD-S372VDB
5V 1.5A

I am looking right now for a M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L, maybe someone here has the connector from that drive and can sell it to me?

rodgermcliff · #9 Post by **rodgermcliff** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:15 am

cmarti wrote:
rodgermcliff wrote:
Do a search in this forum. There should be a thread on it with lots of good info.
Thanks but i already search and there is no thread.

OK.... we'll have to ask Bill about the archives... or maybe that was the old forum... sorry... it was a few years ago and I am back in college now for masters and certification, so there is a lot of stuff trying to be crammed into this old, already pretty full brain....

[FROM MEMORY... please correct me folks...]

The 770 series typically used a 17mm height optical drive. This was an early series of small profile optical drive for laptops that had CD-ROM and some of the first DVD drives... but _no_ CD-RW drives. The drive height indicates a lot of things including connector placement. Without some highly creative miniature ribbon cable fabrication [been there, tried it, didn't like it, didn't work], you will not fit a newer, slimmer drive into a case made for a 17mm drive.

HOWEVER... there is one slimmer drive used by IBM in the 770 series. This is the Matushita DVD drive. It used a 15mm[?] drive which does have CD-RW, even DVD-RW drives, in that series. When you open the case, you will notice the internal spacers to keep everything aligned (versus other cases which are basically flat shells). To do a changeover, you want a whole dead 770 Matsuhita DVD drive (case, harness intact). [As mentioned above, you can possibly fit newer, slimmer drives in this case also.]

To summarize (and fully the kick the cat out of the bag, for those who didn't read between the lines that last time that I posted this)...
- If you have a dead Thinkpad 770 optical drive (other than the M a t s u s h i t a DVD), you have a paperweight (or spare parts, if you keep lots of junk like I do).
- If you have a dead Thinkpad 770 Matushita DVD drive, you still have a saleable, usable, desirable item. [Don't throw it away!!]
[Scroll back up for FRU and part numbers in a previous post in this thread]

[Bill, is this thread worthy of a "sticky" or inclusion in the FAQ?]

Rodger

cmarti · #10 Post by **cmarti** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:17 am

Maybe i am lucky!

I got the M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065 of ebay for $10.00 including shipping, when receive it i will remove the matsuchita dvd from the casing and will install the DVD/CDRW Brand Quanta Storage Inc. model SBW242CE Serial PUC16SM42606755.

I will post the results when i'm finished.

#11 Post by **pkiff** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:46 pm

I'm hoping I'm lucky too. I've got a Panasonic UJDA-750 coming from eBay now, and I'm going to try it in the caddy from my M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L drive.

I'm also hoping that I can take the front faceplate off the SR-8171-L and use it directly on the UJDA-750 -- the eject button and activity light look like they may line up correctly, and it looks like the connections on the rear of the faceplate may be almost (but not exactly) identical. If everything goes as well as possible, then all I will have to do is drill an extra emergency eject hole in the current SR-8171-L faceplate.

I'll post results too, though I'm not expecting the drive to arrive till late this week.

Phil.

catnap1972 · #12 Post by **catnap1972** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:02 am

pkiff wrote: I'm also hoping that I can take the front faceplate off the SR-8171-L and use it directly on the UJDA-750 -- the eject button and activity light look like they may line up correctly, and it looks like the connections on the rear of the faceplate may be almost (but not exactly) identical. If everything goes as well as possible, then all I will have to do is drill an extra emergency eject hole in the current SR-8171-L faceplate.

Depending on the drive, you may have to shim the eject button on the faceplate with some thin foam or tape (underneath the button) so it engages the switch, and you might have to break off one or more of the mounting tabs on the inside of the faceplate and just glue the whole thing (faceplate&tray) together.

cmarti · #13 Post by **cmarti** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:07 pm

Update,

I receive the drive ( M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065 ) and i remove it from the caddy, installed the dvd/cdrw drive ( DVD/CDRW Brand Quanta Storage Inc. model SBW242CE Serial PUC16SM42606755 ) and is is working perfectly it is burning cd's and i saw a planet of the apes movie.

The connector at the back were exactly the same, thanks for all the help provided.

Note:

To be able to see the movie perfectly i installed power dvd pro, because first i use InterVideo WinDVD player but it was causing the computer to freeze and the screen was displaying very bad.

Phil,

How it's going for you?

#14 Post by **pkiff** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:58 am

cmarti wrote:I receive the drive [...] and is is working perfectly it is burning cd's and i saw a planet of the apes movie.

Great news!

What did you do about replacing the front bezel/faceplate on the drive? Does the new one have spaces or gaps above/below the tray that your new faceplate doesn't cover up?

cmarti wrote:How it's going for you?

Still waiting for the drive I ordered to arrive -- it takes a while for items to cross the US-Canada border, and I ordered from a seller in the States.

Phil.

cmarti · #15 Post by **cmarti** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:19 am

[quote="pkiffWhat did you do about replacing the front bezel/faceplate on the drive? Does the new one have spaces or gaps above/below the tray that your new faceplate doesn't cover up?

I had to trim the faceplate a little and it is looking good just a little gap around the plate, the color of the plate is a dark charcoal gray when closed it's looks black.

Here is a picture:

( Note it was taken with my phone )

[img=http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5679 ... vs4.th.jpg]

#16 Post by **pkiff** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:34 pm

Update:

The UJDA750 appears to work well. I received the UDJA750, and I swapped the old M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L out of the caddy and replaced it with the new UJDA750. I haven't tested burning or DVD playing yet, but everything looks like it will work as hoped.

I also swapped the front faceplate/bezel so the original 770 faceplate is now on the UJDA750 inside an original 770 caddy. The eject button, emergency hole, and light all seem to work okay with the old 770 faceplate! Two of the three screws holding the SR-8171 faceplate in place can be screwed into the new UJDA750 in the exact same places, but one of them doesn't line up, so at the moment, I've simply left it without a screw on one side. I haven't decided what I'm going to do to fix that, but the faceplate stays in place as long as you don't pull on it from that side. I'll try and take some photos in the next day or two.

Phil.

cmarti · #17 Post by **cmarti** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:17 pm

I am Glad it worked and it's incredible five years of difference between the two drives and the faceplate fit.

Pictures please!

#18 Post by **pkiff** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:39 pm

I've now posted up some photos of the tranformation of the original M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L that shipped with the 770 series to the new Panasonic UJDA-750: 770Z - CDRW Matching Bezels. [link updated 2006-12-26]

Phil.

cmarti · #19 Post by **cmarti** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:54 pm

pkiff wrote:I've now posted up some photos of the tranformation of the original M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L that shipped with the 770 series to the new Panasonic UJDA-750 here.

Phil.

Phil,

Beautiful! better than factory.

Mine now looks ugly

How much did you pay for the drive?

Now i want to do the same thing.

Carlos.

#20 Post by **pkiff** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:16 pm

cmarti wrote:How much did you pay for the drive?

It was USD $36 + $8 shipping = $44.00:
PANASONIC UJDA750 DVD/CD-RW Drive New with warranty (eBay Item number: 320027440351)

Phil.

cmarti · #21 Post by **cmarti** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:30 pm

pkiff wrote:It was USD $36 + $8 shipping = $44.00:
PANASONIC UJDA750 DVD/CD-RW Drive New with warranty (eBay Item number: 320027440351)
Phil.

Thanks! I am looking at one that is around that price let me see if i can win that auction.

Carlos.

cmarti · #22 Post by **cmarti** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:57 pm

I got the PANASONIC UJDA750 DVD/CD-RW LAPTOP COMBO DRIVE NEW! for $18.30 + $13.50 for the shipping as soon as i receive it i will do the same as Phil with his 770Z.

RWDPLZ · #23 Post by **RWDPLZ** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:40 pm

So will any 12.7mm UJ series Panasonic drive with an IDE interface work then? There's a bunch of other models, some with DVD-writing support, like this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0034303037 (UJ-850 drive)

But you have to have the casing from an original 770 series DVD-ROM drive? Does anyone have pictures of inside the original drive?

Excellent job with the faceplate swap, pkiff!

Moderator edit: Shortened URL to prevent horizontal scrolling

cmarti · #24 Post by **cmarti** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:29 pm

RWDPLZ wrote:But you have to have the casing from an original 770 series DVD-ROM drive?

Yes you will need this one:

M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065

Does anyone have pictures of inside the original drive?

When i receive the new drive i will take pictures of the original casing so you can see the inside.

RWDPLZ · #25 Post by **RWDPLZ** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:52 pm

OK, thanks!

cmarti · #26 Post by **cmarti** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:09 am

Ok i am back!

I receive the PANASONIC UJDA750 and replaced the previous upgrade, everything was like Phil mention in his previous post, Thanks Phil!

Here are the pictures of the open drive housing:

The drive caddy and connector:

The black housing:

The drive mounted in the caddy:

I hope this helps.

Note from Moderator: Good job with the warning in the subject line - have a

!!!

eyestrain · #27 Post by **eyestrain** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:02 am

pkiff wrote:Best Bet:
M a t s u s h i t a SR-8171-L DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05k9066 ASM P/N: 05K9065
Date: 9909 Rev: 304
Connector:
Appears to be a standard internal IDE connector fully compatible with current standard slimline 12mm CD/DVD drives.

Soldered Connector:
Sanyo CRD-S372BDB 24X CD-ROM Drive
IBM FRU: 02K0515 ASM P/N: 02K0513
Date: November 1998 Rev: 104
Connector:
This appears to be a non-standard, soldered connector. I didn't open up the drive itself to verify this, but the cable ribbon disappears inside the actual drive instead of connecting to a visible plug.

Slighly Off-Center Connector:
Toshiba SD-C2002 DVD Drive
IBM FRU: 05K9014 ASM P/N: 05K9013
Date: 9806 Rev: 003
Connector:
This appears to use something that looks like a standard slimline connector plug, but the plug does not quite line up with the location of the connector plug on current/recent slimline drives. I did not open up the actual drive to verify anything, but it looks like it would not fit a standard slimline drive.

Another data point for anyone trying this:

Toshiba DVD-ROM drive SD-C2002
IBM FRU: 11J8952 ASM P/N: 11J8996
Date: 9804 Rev: 002
Connector:
Not soldered in. Looks like the right type, but I don't know where it's supposed to be. It is not in the center.

I'm not trying to upgrade, just have a dead drive and decided to take it apart. Was able to buy another of the same model on ebay, for about the same price as the soldered CD model was going for.

klkoehler · #28 Post by **klkoehler** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:07 pm

I have a dvd/cdrw purchased from E-Bay it is a "Hitachi-LG?" HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4243N, It came in an ultrabay IBM caddy - looks like the one pictured above, not sure if it's the same one, I've seen on the web a user had one in his T42. My main burner is the BenQ DW1620 DL/RW DVD drive in the selectadock III - which by the way does a very good job with JVC 1-4 speed DVD+RW media.
Well when I first got the drive I looked up the specs and found a similar drive by the manufacturer that was a DVD+RW - I think I found It by the similarity in the product's model serial/name number it was like the next series revision or something. If this was the case then they would have a DVD+RW that would likely work in the IBM caddy. Havn't tried it out yet though.

770Z stock and other 700's/n- docks

P.S. UPDATE-
Went computer shop and saw a bare LG DVD+/-RW drive sitting in the display case, took my old one (mentioned above) and put new LG DVDRW drive in, I now have a DVD Burner. cost was a bit steep - $75 but worth it

JeriC · #29 Post by **JeriC** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:21 am

I also have a 770 and just took apart the CD-ROM to see if I might replace it with a CD-Burner. But it seems the connector is soldered on it, too.
http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk21 ... mg2391.jpg (76 kb)
And it does not seem that there is an adaptor inside the drive itself like it is on the pictures from the poster above me.
Sorry, this photo is not quite sharp but maybe you see what I mean:
http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk21 ... mg2392.jpg (64 kb)
So, this CD-ROM is a Hitachi-drive.
http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk21 ... mg2394.jpg (54 kb)
Maybe anyone knows if there is another way to replace the drive..
Of, if not, maybe this information is at least useful for somebody

(Edit: Oh, I forgot, the data on the black plastic case:
FRU P/N 12J0424 ASM P/N 83H6257 DATE 9711 REV.203)
(Edit (2): Postet Links instead of pictures as I was asked to do)

#30 Post by **pkiff** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:51 pm

Thanks for the additional info about another 770 drive, JeriC. I'm sure it will come in handy for someone one day.

I don't have any solutions to recommend in your case except getting a different drive. Sorry!

Phil.

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