The Philadelphia Experiment revisited

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The Philadelphia Experiment revisited

#1 Post by GomJabbar » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:54 am

FYI: Scientists Create Cloak of Invisibility
The New York Times (AP) wrote:In this first successful experiment, researchers from the United States and England were able to cloak a copper cylinder.

It's like a mirage, where heat causes the bending of light rays and cloaks the road ahead behind an image of the sky.

''We have built an artificial mirage that can hide something from would-be observers in any direction,'' said cloak designer David Schurig, a research associate in Duke University's electrical and computer engineering department.
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#2 Post by dsigma6 » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:43 am

I was reading this story yesterday on comcast, and figured it to be like the last "cloak" i read about; using a setup involving a computer, a projection screen, cameras and some other gadgetry...but this appears to be the real deal. Very encouraging for the future, but this will be used against us in manners that could make us wish it was never invented. Once they have a cloak radar that picks up all sorts of waves, they'll have to get even more creative.
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#3 Post by tfflivemb2 » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:31 pm

Hmmmm.....maybe they will invent a Thinkpad cloaking device for unattended Thinkpads!!!

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#4 Post by GomJabbar » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:03 pm

tfflivemb2 wrote:Hmmmm.....maybe they will invent a Thinkpad cloaking device for unattended Thinkpads!!!
Good one! :lol: :lol:
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#5 Post by Thinkpaddict » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:29 am

Very interesting. I doubt they will make an effective cloaking device anytime this century, but it is a nice start. About cloaking devices for unattended Thinkpads, beware what you wish for! You wouldn't want to inadvertently sit on your Thinkpad now, would you? :P

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#6 Post by 440roadrunner » Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:50 pm

As a former Navy RADAR technician, my specialty was Ground Controlled Approach, and on one unit we had something called "Moving Target Indicator".

This essentially envolved two twin IF amplifier strips, to produce equal and opposite signals, with a delay line in one path equal to the "trip" through one amplifier.

The idea was that you exactly matched the main signal with one which was exactly 180 out of phase. Since the delay on a moving target (the airplane) changes constantly, then supposedly things like rocks, trees, and hills gets eliminated.

(This works vaguely similar to the audio noise reduction systems, I believe Mercedes and others are playing with)

I've wondered from time to time, when this could be applied to light.

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#7 Post by christopher_wolf » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:24 pm

There are a few peoblems with that as a cloaking device;

1.) You won't be able to see out of it, obviously. Biggest problem.

2.) It isn't entirely stealth, given the proper conditions, it will produce an interference pattern; not only that, but you are changing the path of the light as well...So you could also pick up a "difference" map of the light as it takes a tad longer to travel in a path around the object as it would otherwise have gone in a straight line.

3.) If you used a very short wave pulse, you would get what amounts to a "blur" effect upon the reciept of those beams at some other sensor (be they reflected or simply bent very litte, in which case you need to have another sensor at the end). Comparing it to the original wave pattern would easily show the difference and the outline of the cloaked object. This is why the stealth ship "Sea Shadow" couldn't be too stealth as it would show up on a look-down-shoot-down radar system as a giant hole in a bunch of waves, especially it's own wake. It is kind of like a holographic device, except in reverse and you can only get the outlines assuming that the cloaking system is good enough to bend *all* the incident rays of light or other EM such as microwaves (i.e. it would be extremely hard to bend a ray inbound directly *normal* to any given flat surface on the object). :)
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#8 Post by gearguy » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:48 am

Thinkpaddict wrote:Very interesting. I doubt they will make an effective cloaking device anytime this century, but it is a nice start. About cloaking devices for unattended Thinkpads, beware what you wish for! You wouldn't want to inadvertently sit on your Thinkpad now, would you? :P
If they're as durable as most fanboys claim them to be I'm sure they'd be able to take it :lol:
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#9 Post by Thinkpaddict » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:34 am

gearguy wrote:
Thinkpaddict wrote:Very interesting. I doubt they will make an effective cloaking device anytime this century, but it is a nice start. About cloaking devices for unattended Thinkpads, beware what you wish for! You wouldn't want to inadvertently sit on your Thinkpad now, would you? :P
If they're as durable as most fanboys claim them to be I'm sure they'd be able to take it :lol:
I am sure it depends on the person doing the sitting :D I can think of a few people that might destroy a solid titanium block easily.

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#10 Post by GomJabbar » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:19 pm

Thinkpaddict wrote:I am sure it depends on the person doing the sitting :D I can think of a few people that might destroy a solid titanium block easily.
How about the "Beast from the East"? :shock:
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#11 Post by wswartzendruber » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:59 pm

Thinkpaddict wrote:Very interesting. I doubt they will make an effective cloaking device anytime this century, but it is a nice start. About cloaking devices for unattended Thinkpads, beware what you wish for! You wouldn't want to inadvertently sit on your Thinkpad now, would you? :P
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