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kjjb0204 · #61 Post by **kjjb0204** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:16 am

In the latest announcement letter ENUS106-854. Here's the link. Shows the T60P models with 15.4WSXGA+ with Flexview. Parts are:
8741c2u
8741c3u
8741c4u
8741c5u

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deeastman · #62 Post by **deeastman** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:06 pm

kjjb0204 wrote:In the latest announcement letter ENUS106-854. Here's the link. Shows the T60P models with 15.4WSXGA+ with Flexview. Parts are:
8741c2u
8741c3u
8741c4u
8741c5u

They may be flexview but if you go to the following link and type in the model numbers the configuration shows standard displays. Lenovo appears to have some misprints as to configuration info, such as an S-video port and mis-information in some of the new documents they have published. I have noticed but not documented various issues.

https://www.directlenovo.com/public/ind ... ookie=true

WPWoodJr · #63 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:57 pm

npish wrote:just to share this info, a Lenovo rep with whom I spoke yesterday assured me that a widescreen IPS/Flexview option would ultimately be available...he estimated a couple/few weeks into Dec;

of course, this contradicts what some have said about there being no manufacturer of widescreen IPS panels.....whatever the case, I'm hoping this rep knows what he's talking about....

I heard this too from my rep, he said it would announce Dec 1 though.

npish · #64 Post by **npish** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:09 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:I heard this too from my rep, he said it would announce Dec 1 though.

good to hear some corroboration; did he seem confident/certain in this announce date? (I'm soooooo tired of waiting....)

edit. oh wait, that's today isn't it...huh.

WPWoodJr · #65 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:43 am

npish wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote:I heard this too from my rep, he said it would announce Dec 1 though.
good to hear some corroboration; did he seem confident/certain in this announce date? (I'm soooooo tired of waiting....)

edit. oh wait, that's today isn't it...huh.

I wrote him to confirm. The announcement link in kjjb0204's post above does say Flexview though.

WPWoodJr · #66 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:06 pm

New TABook is out with T60p widescreens:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitu ... tabook.pdf

Looks like the 1680x1050 screen does NOT come in Flexview

dracore · #67 Post by **dracore** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:16 pm

Any chance that this could change in the next couple weeks?

nombrecinq · #68 Post by **nombrecinq** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:50 am

I would like to know also. I'm planning on getting a Core 2 Duo T60p soon. Will I have the option of getting a flexview version of a widscreen soon? Thanks!

maximus_ · #69 Post by **maximus_** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:45 am

pianowizard wrote:
maximus_ wrote:The cleint I'm with today is using Dell 610/810s and my 4 year old A31P with IPS is 100 times better in brightness, color, and color balance.
Is brightness one of the advantages of IPS? I owned an A31p with IPS and while the display was superb, I didn't find it particularly bright. The difference between your A31p and your client's Dell is probably due to the Dell having an unusually dim display.

From a technical aspsct I'm not exactly sure but its brighter then non-ips screens that I have seen. The Dells do have horrid displays so its a bad comparison.

syhead · #70 Post by **syhead** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:52 pm

it just... it just doesn't seem right

PRGeno · #71 Post by **PRGeno** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:52 pm

syhead wrote:it just... it just doesn't seem right

What doesn't seem right is not having a workstation class 17" 1920x1200 widescreen as part of the ThinkPad line.

z_24 · #72 Post by **z_24** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:29 pm

Anyone has the latest info on widescreen with the FlexView option?

Thanks

Puppy · #73 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:08 am

z_24 wrote:Anyone has the latest info on widescreen with the FlexView option?

I started separate thread regarding IPS panels here

syhead · #74 Post by **syhead** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:51 pm

PRGeno wrote:
syhead wrote:it just... it just doesn't seem right
What doesn't seem right is not having a workstation class 17" 1920x1200 widescreen as part of the ThinkPad line.

no.. a wide-screen Thinkpad

PRGeno · #75 Post by **PRGeno** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:23 pm

syhead wrote:
PRGeno wrote: What doesn't seem right is not having a workstation class 17" 1920x1200 widescreen as part of the ThinkPad line.
no.. a wide-screen Thinkpad

The "ThinkPad traditionalist", whatever that is, would understand your desire to avoid a wide screen ThinkPad altogether.

Me on the other hand, as a self proclaimed power business user, IT professional, software developer, and long time ThinkPad user, I am longing for more than just a wide screen ThinkPad.

I have recently brought in two HP nw9440 mobile workstations for two of my software developers. Prior to these two machines, I have exclusively purchased ThinkPads for my entire organization. Guess what? These nw9440s are really nice machines. They are well designed and thought out, have serious power and quality components, the keyboards and combo pointing devices feel great, and are proving to be as robust as any ThinkPad we've owned, and they have a 3 year warrantee just like the ThinkPads of old.

The only downside is, compared to Flexview fitted ThinkPads, the screen isn't as bright or consistent corner to corner. However, compared to non Flexview ThinkPads, the nx9440's screen stacks up well. If the ThinkPad Flexview screens are really becoming extincted, as reported in this forum, so is one of the last of the big ThinkPad advantages.

I hear the flaming "Troll" chants coming already, but believe me, it simply isn't true. I have always been a ThinkPad guy, and I would immediately purchase a new ThinkPad that met my needs. But as a true ThinkPad guy, I've become less and less satisfied with Lenovo's vision. They are not innovating as IBM did in the past. They haven't hinted at anything to compete with the HP nw9440 or Dell's M90 workstation class machines, nor are they providing market leadership in several other machine classes.

ThinkPad tradition doesn't mean 4:3 aspect ration screens. ThinkPad tradition means solid, innovative, selection accomodating a wide range of business audiences, and market leadership. What doesn't seem right to me is, machines like the nw9440 have proven there are now viable alternative to a ThinkPad as my next personal machine, as well as future machines for my company.

Now that is a break from traditional IMHO.

WPWoodJr · #76 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:19 am

PRGeno wrote: I have recently brought in two HP nw9440 mobile workstations for two of my software developers. Prior to these two machines, I have exclusively purchased ThinkPads for my entire organization. Guess what? These nw9440s are really nice machines. They are well designed and thought out, have serious power and quality components, the keyboards and combo pointing devices feel great, and are proving to be as robust as any ThinkPad we've owned, and they have a 3 year warrantee just like the ThinkPads of old.

Wow! What a monster! That thing even has a keypad.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm ... 39859.html

Did you get the BrightView screen? UXGA or WSXGA+?

PRGeno · #77 Post by **PRGeno** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:39 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Wow! What a monster! That thing even has a keypad.

Did you get the BrightView screen? UXGA or WSXGA+?

The two machines I got for the developers have the matte finish WSXGA+ screen, but the one I'm looking at for me has the matte WUXGA, and a 512MB nVidia card.

Yes it is a monster (powerwise), and I love having the built in keypad. Why not put the extra keyboard real estate the 17" screen provides to good use? While it's wide because of the 17" screen, it's not really big. It is the exact same depth, while being much thinner than my A31p. It also isn't as heavy, or as unwieldy to handle as my A31p.

It is a very fast machine, in all aspects. It's really well built, and quite sturdy, with virtually no screen or keyboard flex at all. This is a high quality box. I hope Lenovo has something coming soon, because if this is an example of what HP is coming to market in future products, it will be real competition to the throne.

pianowizard · #78 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:05 pm

PRGeno wrote:I hope Lenovo has something coming soon, because if this is an example of what HP is coming to market in future products, it will be real competition to the throne.

I agree, and thanks for your very positive review of this HP laptop. I have been somewhat bothered by the limited options the Thinkpads offer, e.g. no widescreen X series, no 17" WUXGA, no glossy screens, and nothing lighter than 2.7 lbs. I will look into HP laptops when I need laptops with some of these features (I think HP offers the first three of these four features).

Kamika007z · #79 Post by **Kamika007z** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:18 pm

Personally, if you want a widescreen as an ultra-portable machine... I feel as if that it's counter productive to the word "ultra-portable"

pianowizard · #80 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:05 pm

Kamika007z wrote:Personally, if you want a widescreen as an ultra-portable machine... I feel as if that it's counter productive to the word "ultra-portable"

Fujitsu's Q2010 is a 2.0-lb 12.1" widescreen laptop. HP's nc2400 is also 12.1" widescreen and has a built-in DVD burner, but it's still only 2.8 lbs. If you look at the physical area of a 12.1" widescreen, it's actually slightly less than that of a 12.1" 4:3 screen.

deodeo · #81 Post by **deodeo** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:56 am

Weired that, I got the T60WS with Samsung panel (same as in the review), but there is light leakage from the bottom edge of the screen. And it was also reported from other users. Dissapointed!

benplaut · #82 Post by **benplaut** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:07 pm

how's the weight comparison to a T4x 14"? Not the pounds, but how does it *feel*?

My T40 died, and it's between a T60w, T60p 14", and T60 14". Depends on how bad the FireGL drivers are on linux, really.

Aramitz · #83 Post by **Aramitz** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:34 am

PRGeno wrote: the keyboards and combo pointing devices feel great, and are proving to be as robust as any ThinkPad we've owned,

I'm too looking towards HP 17'
Is the HP trackpoint equal to a IBM one ?
Is the material better or softerthan the plastic used in T42 ?
I've never proved HP 9440 but I've read that the case material is somewhat nearer of the material used in the old IBM jewel, the 600 series ?
Thanks a lot and Happy New Year

PRGeno · #84 Post by **PRGeno** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:49 pm

Aramitz wrote:
PRGeno wrote: the keyboards and combo pointing devices feel great, and are proving to be as robust as any ThinkPad we've owned,
I'm too looking towards HP 17'
Is the HP trackpoint equal to a IBM one ?
Is the material better or softerthan the plastic used in T42 ?
I've never proved HP 9440 but I've read that the case material is somewhat nearer of the material used in the old IBM jewel, the 600 series ?
Thanks a lot and Happy New Year

The HP pointing device is the equal to the ThinkPads except in the driver options. The Trackpoint driver provide more control of how it works, where HP acts like a mouse pointer only.

I find the materials to also be very similar to the T series machines. We had some 600s in their daya, but none are around anymore, so I can't compare to those old machines.

The 9440s have been working quite well for a few months now. The only negative things I would say about them, and these are minor issues, but I would like the screen to be brighter, and they are a little top heavy when using it on your lap and feels like it wants to fall over backwards (yes even at 17" it still fits on a lap).

mi2ke · #85 Post by **mi2ke** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:37 pm

I would love to see a 14.1' wide screen T60! Would devenitely go for it!

Aramitz · #86 Post by **Aramitz** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:42 am

PRGeno wrote:The HP pointing device is the equal to the ThinkPads except in the driver options. The Trackpoint driver provide more control of how it works, where HP acts like a mouse pointer only.

I find the materials to also be very similar to the T series machines. We had some 600s in their daya, but none are around anymore, so I can't compare to those old machines.

The 9440s have been working quite well for a few months now. The only negative things I would say about them, and these are minor issues, but I would like the screen to be brighter, and they are a little top heavy when using it on your lap and feels like it wants to fall over backwards (yes even at 17" it still fits on a lap).

Thanks a lot for those nice words

Have you read that Review ! ?

PRGeno · #87 Post by **PRGeno** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:24 am

[quote="Aramitz
Thanks a lot for those nice words

Have you read that Review ! ?

[/quote]

I had not read this review until you posted the link. After reading it, I would have to agree with everything the reviewer said. It is a first class machine, not without it's minor faults, but nothing is perfect. It's far closer to perfect than anything I'm seeing from Lenovo at this time. I hope Lenovo take a lesson and has something on the horizon that will bring the lead position back to the Thinkpad line, but I just don't see it at the moment.

pianowizard · #88 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:33 am

PRGeno wrote:It's far closer to perfect than anything I'm seeing from Lenovo at this time. I hope Lenovo take a lesson and has something on the horizon that will bring the lead position back to the Thinkpad line, but I just don't see it at the moment.

I guess your main complaint is the lack of a 17" WUXGA Thinkpad? I have a hunch that there will be one, because the highest resolution for the 15.4" widescreen T60 is only WSXGA+, so it looks like Lenovo is reserving WUXGA for a future, bigger model.

dr_st · #89 Post by **dr_st** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:38 am

PRGeno wrote:The HP pointing device is the equal to the ThinkPads except in the driver options. The Trackpoint driver provide more control of how it works, where HP acts like a mouse pointer only.

I have an old Compaq Evo, where the trackpoint device is essentially the same as the IBM device, manufactured by the same company (Synaptics). The default driver isn't as option-rich as the TP Ultranav driver, but I managed to install a different driver.

The biggest difference to me was the cap used on the trackpoint. The cap that came with the Compaq was very crappy compared to the Thinkpad caps, especially the soft dome. This may or may not be true regarding newer HP/Compaq models. However, since it's the same trackpoint, you can just replace the cap with any Thinkpad cap, which to me improved the experience greatly.

Aramitz · #90 Post by **Aramitz** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:27 am

PRGeno wrote:I would have to agree with everything the reviewer said. It is a first class machine, not without it's minor faults, but nothing is perfect. It's far closer to perfect than anything I'm seeing from Lenovo at this time. I hope Lenovo take a lesson and has something on the horizon that will bring the lead position back to the Thinkpad line, but I just don't see it at the moment.

Thanks a lot .
I'm afraid that Lenovo has not understood that the IBM customers are ready to pay for quality.

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