How much should i pay for t20 or t22

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fr0zenmon · #1 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:39 pm

What would be the price range for these laptops? How are they with winxp and linux

Kaervak · #2 Post by **Kaervak** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:58 pm

Price depends on how loaded it is. For a barebones system, $200-ish. One that's loaded, probably another $100-125.

My T23 is running Linux and it's fine. My only issue is OpenSuse 10.2 hates ACPI on it for some reason but other than that it's great. All the drivers for the T23 hardware are there from the start. Only thing you may have to add is drivers for a wireless card like I did since I'm using an Atheros card. Adding those drivers is absurdly easy anyway. With XP the drivers should be there by default, but if they aren't they're pretty easy to track down. If you do go the Linux route, be prepared to be somewhat frustrated. It's quite different from Windows, but definitely not impossible to deal with. It's going to take some time.

pianowizard · #3 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:02 pm

Give us some specs (screen resolution, RAM, CPU, optical drive, HDD, cosmetic conditions) and we can then give you better estimates. I sold a moderately equipped T20 for $120 two months ago and both me and the buyer were happy. You shouldn't pay more than $200 for a T20, or $320 for a T22. A T20 with 700MHz PIII and 256MB RAM runs WinXP Pro very well, and even better with 512MB RAM.

jruschme · #4 Post by **jruschme** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:38 pm

I'll let others address the pricing (mine were castoffs from work)...

I've got XP running on an 850mhz T20 with 512mb and Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) running on a 900mhz T22 with 256mb.

Both seem to run very nicely. I had to do a couple of minor tweaks to get Ubuntu set up to work correctly (minor xorg.conf edit and a parameter change to get the speedstep modules to load), but both were documented on ThinkWiki.

tom lightbody · #5 Post by **tom lightbody** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:37 pm

seen a couple nice t22's (1gHz,30gig,SXGA+) for $280 shipped
(one on our forum here: other on eBay)

the t22 2647-lcu was sold by IBM with linux stock (caldera):
on this t22 2647-9eu we run debian 3.1, no problem

> model: TP 600E type 2645-55u
> ...Dont know the [processor] Speed.
> ...Any Ideas where to find it?

speed is 300mHz--info frm twbook.pdf

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitu ... twbook.pdf

get tawbook.pdf while there: that's got the t series dope

goofyGAguy · #6 Post by **goofyGAguy** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:02 am

I recently bought a T23 from eBay in very good condition with the following specs:

512 MB RAM
30 GB drive
CD/RW/ DVD combo drive

Price was $290, so you should pay a bit less for a T22.

jamiphar · #7 Post by **jamiphar** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:08 am

It might be a bit much to hope for, but I got the T23 in my signature (barebones with battery) for $155 shipped. But I've seen them going easily for $250+.

supercomp923 · #8 Post by **supercomp923** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:40 am

I also recently purchased a T23 on Ebay, $202+$20.00 shipping. Windows XP, CD-RW, 128 mb ram and 50 gb hard drive. Maxing the RAM out ASAP. Larry.

fr0zenmon · #9 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:47 pm

So the guy told me to do a "good search on ibm t20"? Oh and the hd has been wiped out. What does a good search mean, standard config. and if i meet to buy it, how can run to test if things are working or whats on it.

I presume that he doesnt know how to use the machine, you think thats niave?

#10 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:05 pm

If the system has a CD or DVD drive you can download and burn a bootable copy of PC Doctor onto a CD. Simply install the CD, re-boot the system, press the F12 key to bring up the boot menu and then specify the CD drive. That will load PC Doctor into the machine and you can test almost all of the hardware in the system (hard drive, memory, system board, CPU, serial port, parallel port, etc.). There are a couple of things that it will NOT test: PCMCIA slots, USB port, audio jacks are a couple that come to mind.

You can get information about both the CD version and diskette versions of PC Doctor in this thread:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=31668#207568

cinemafia · #11 Post by **cinemafia** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:31 pm

I just got (within the last month) a T20 PIII 700Mhz/128MB RAM/CD/40GB HD for about $200 total, which is probably a little high, but it was local as I hate having to deal with shipping. I put a fresh install of XP Pro on it, and it runs steady but slow. I really need to max ou the RAM, after which it should be faster.

pianowizard · #12 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:19 pm

cinemafia wrote:I just got (within the last month) a T20 PIII 700Mhz/128MB RAM/CD/40GB HD for about $200 total, which is probably a little high, but it was local as I hate having to deal with shipping. I put a fresh install of XP Pro on it, and it runs steady but slow. I really need to max ou the RAM, after which it should be faster.

It will definitely get much faster after you increase the RAM to 512MB.

tselling · #13 Post by **tselling** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:06 pm

384mb on a T20 runs WinXP very nicely. I have given a few of these to nieces and nephews and 384mb is fine for single tasking in WinXP and saves a little money since the 256mb modules are quite expensive.

pianowizard · #14 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:12 pm

tselling wrote:384mb is fine for single tasking in WinXP and saves a little money since the 256mb modules are quite expensive.

Good point. If Cinemafia currently has 128MB in a single stick, it may be better if s/he gets just one 256MB module (for the empty slot) first to see whether that's enough. If that's fast enough, then s/he can save some money.

BTW, Teresa, I totally forgot to leave you a feedback on eBay. Now I just did it.

cinemafia · #15 Post by **cinemafia** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:48 am

For the record, I'm a he.

I may be in luck, I've found someone local with a pair of Kingston 256MB PC100 SODIMMs. The Kingston ones are usually the variant that will work in a T20, but of course I'll try before I buy.

cinemafia · #16 Post by **cinemafia** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:32 pm

Still haven't scored the two 256's, but I did find a 64MB stick lying around. Funny thing is, even with 192MB my T20 is noticeably faster than it was with 128MB!

pianowizard · #17 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:32 pm

cinemafia wrote:Funny thing is, even with 192MB my T20 is noticeably faster than it was with 128MB!

Yep, for WinXP, you get HUGE improvement by going from 64MB to 128MB, smaller but still substantial improvement from 128MB to 256MB, yet smaller but still noticeable improvement from 256MB to 512MB, but not very much above that for simple tasks.

fr0zenmon · #18 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:23 am

is that a fair price to pay?

happy festivas

asiafish · #19 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:11 pm

I have a T23 (1.13 GHz) with 640MB of RAM and it absolutely flies with Windows XP. For most tasks other than graphics, it is almost as fast as my 1.66 GHz CoreDuo tablet.

Graphics are really the only weak point on these older T series laptops. Older games and DVD movies are fine on the T23, but I cannot watch downloaded TV shows in iTunes without serious stutter. I think this is an iTunes issue, as their video isn't particularly high resolution, but seems to have very high GPU requirements. The modern (albeit integrated) GMA950 in my tablet plays iTunes video smoothly, but will stutter if I'm doing anything else.

pianowizard · #20 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:20 pm

fr0zenmon wrote:is that a fair price to pay?

$80 is a fair price, assuming that includes shipping. Go for it.

pianowizard · #21 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:24 pm

asiafish wrote:but I cannot watch downloaded TV shows in iTunes without serious stutter. I think this is an iTunes issue, as their video isn't particularly high resolution, but seems to have very high GPU requirements.

I remember we had this discussion before. Yes, my T23 (1.2GHz, 640MB, 5400rpm) had the same problem with iTunes files. You said you're going to get a 7200rpm HDD for your T23, right? I wonder if that would help.

asiafish · #22 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:29 pm

I already have the 7200 RPM drive, and no, it didn't help.

fr0zenmon · #23 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:40 pm

with it. lol

thanks for the advice.

I like that gobinder app but lite version is not worth it. Free but limits to 30mb total files.

Yea, i will give it a shot. I still dont know what i am getting, but i will check the important things. Like, the fact that it works, ram installed and hd space. Really, i just want a backup to play around with linux and unix so its more a sandbox than anything else. And i dont feel comfortable doing that to my only laptop, which i got working over the course of months. it was my first attempt at it.

I think i want the x series convertables, maybe next year. How do you use it? Should i just post this over on there board? Do you use the port replicator for it? looks huge!

festivas for all.

fr0zenmon · #24 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:48 pm

I havent heard back from that guy so, i am thinking about trying ebay.

how should i go about it? What questions should i ask? Any reputable sellers? I would like to pay fair/maybe cheap price.

If an offer looks to good to be true, is it?

looking for

128mb - 512mb(ideal)
20-40gb hd (not firm requirement though)
cd/cdrw/dvd

what should i look to spend on this setup. Am i missing anything important?

FunkyRes · #25 Post by **FunkyRes** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:37 am

I paid around $100 or so for my T20 which came with a probably pirated version of XP SP1. Bought it off of eBay.

I had to replace the battery (I went with batteryrefill.com).

Fedora Core 4 installed just fine on it.
Then the DVD-ROM drive went south - haven't replaced it yet.

The hard drive then died a horrible death, I replaced it with a new 80GB Seagate 7200RPM - which gave some nice performance boost.

The DVD still works well enough to boot off of the Fedora rescue CD (but it is plagued with seek errors if you try to install from it) so I can do network install - but unfortunately, FC5 has a bug that prevents it from using pcmcia network cards on the FC5 installer. So it took some work to get FC5 onto it (which involved network install of bare minimal FC4 and a yum update to bare minimal FC5 and then using a USB key to get the updates to the network stuff so thay cardbus network would work again) but right now, it is running FC5 extremely well.

I did have to make some configuration changes to get to run at 700MHz when AC power is connected. I also had to manually configure the xorg.conf file. And when powering down, *sometimes* it shuts down the hard drive and forgets to power the laptop down.

But other than that - it works exceptionally well with Fedora Core.
Before the DVD-ROM died, it also worked well with Knoppix - in fact, it was a little bit better with Knoppix (Knoppix figured out the xorg.conf just fine, the sound just fine, etc. - FC5 also gets sound right, but FC4 I had to play with the alsa settings)

fr0zenmon · #26 Post by **fr0zenmon** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:35 pm

thanks

the laptop has been wiped clean. I want to install linux, but how can i check the configuration specs?

And can i put ubuntu on it? Its the only os cd that i have readily available.

What are my options for a clean installs?

thanks

FunkyRes · #27 Post by **FunkyRes** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:21 am

I have no experience with ubuntu.
I'm not sure I would trust them.

They made two big mistakes awhile back.

First: they recorded the root password used for install in plain text in a log file.
Second: said log file was world readable.

Both of those are rather stupid mistakes.

I know Knoppix works on Thinkpads.
I know Fedora works on Thinkpads, though I haven't tried FC6

One of the Linux magazines (available at Barnes and Noble) has FC6 in it right now.

Thinkpad T20/T22 is old enough that most x86 distros should "just work"

The Spirit of X21 · #28 Post by **The Spirit of X21** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:09 pm

I have had great experience with Ubuntu, in particular 6.10 which allowed sleep to work on both my T40 and my X21. FunkyRes, where did you read about Ubuntu's "mistakes"? You've piqued my curiosity.

#29 Post by **schen** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:48 pm

I got the previous version of Ubuntu running great on an old desktop, but had problem with it on an old Gateway PII Notebook. At the risk of hijacking this thread into where it doesn't belong, has anyone had any luck putting it on an older TP like an iSeries or 380?

I do think I'm going to also give it a try on my T30 when I get another drive and HDD cover for it.

FunkyRes · #30 Post by **FunkyRes** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:10 pm

The Spirit of X21 wrote:I have had great experience with Ubuntu, in particular 6.10 which allowed sleep to work on both my T40 and my X21. FunkyRes, where did you read about Ubuntu's "mistakes"? You've piqued my curiosity.

arstechnica awhile back.

Here is a link -

http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2006/Mar/1015761.html

It's not the root password, but with their unsecure sudo defaults - it may as well be (sudo sh)

How much should i pay for t20 or t22

How much should i pay for t20 or t22

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Is $80 a fair price to pay for t20

Re: Is $80 a fair price to pay for t20

I would like to get a x60s but i wouldnt know what to do

I want to buy ibm laptop on ebay

Just got it t20

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