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Lazarus · #1 Post by **Lazarus** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:49 pm

Hi Folks !

Is there any way to update the BIOS on the new 160GB Travelstar disks from Hitachi (to avoid that IDIOTIC 2010 error msg)?

Also BEWARE OF THE SEAGATE 160GB DISKS.
I bought two of them and they both failed with surface errors after just 6 weeks!

#2 Post by **GomJabbar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:00 pm

The information is in the Sticky at the top of the ThinkPad T4x Series forum.

Lazarus · #3 Post by **Lazarus** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:44 pm

GomJabbar wrote:The information is in the Sticky at the top of the ThinkPad T4x Series forum.

There is TONS of "Information" in those sticky threads.
I already did a search on the whole forum and came up with hundreds of posts relating to patches, hacks & tricks for all kind of drives from 40GB Seagates to 60GB Hitachis.

There is such a thing as information overkill and given that most of those posts relate to unproven "I heard it on the grapvine" methods, its realy not that helpful at all.

But I'm talking about the new 160GB Travelstar drives here and its a simple enough question.
Are they EEPROMable to avoid the POST 2010 msg or not?!

The standard ISO image from the Lenovo web site reports the drive as "no fix needed".
But I still get the POST 2010.

So I wanted to know if there's anything more that can be done WITH THAT SPECIFIC DRIVE.

pianowizard · #4 Post by **pianowizard** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:55 pm

Unfortunately, the firmware update doesn't seem to support the 160GB Travelstar.

But you can still turn off this error by downgrading the BIOS to version 1.02 (I think).

Also, if there are too many threads to read, you can get some quick info on Thinkwiki.

Lazarus · #5 Post by **Lazarus** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:49 am

I thought about a BIOS downgrade, but I think they upgraded it also to fix errors, and that means I'll get those errors back as well.
I just don't get why they won't allow to skip the msg alltogether.

pianowizard · #6 Post by **pianowizard** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:22 am

Lazarus wrote:I thought about a BIOS downgrade, but I think they upgraded it also to fix errors, and that means I'll get those errors back as well.
I just don't get why they won't allow to skip the msg alltogether.

I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this error message. The warning beep can be turned off, and the message is displayed for only about 5 seconds.

nmuntz · #7 Post by **nmuntz** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:43 am

I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this error message. The warning beep can be turned off, and the message is displayed for only about 5 seconds.

I know, i'm sure it's even less than that. I experienced the 2010 for the first time this week and thought "wtf? this is what people are complaining about?"

Lazarus · #8 Post by **Lazarus** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:19 pm

pianowizard wrote: I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this error message. The warning beep can be turned off, and the message is displayed for only about 5 seconds.

That means 5 seconds at the work site during which my project manager looks over my shoulder while my laptop screen tells him that I came to work with a messed up system.
That might not mean much to you, but that screen msg. makes me look bad at work and that does translate to real world $$$ loses for me.

pianowizard · #9 Post by **pianowizard** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:54 pm

Lazarus wrote:That might not mean much to you, but that screen msg. makes me look bad at work and that does translate to real world $$$ loses for me.

I'm sorry to hear that. That means you should either go back to your original HDD or get a new laptop!

#10 Post by **GomJabbar** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:14 pm

.... Or buy your hard drive from Lenovo.

$$$

Lazarus · #11 Post by **Lazarus** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:17 am

GomJabbar wrote:.... Or buy your hard drive from Lenovo.
$$$

They don't offer 160GB ATA drives and the smart advise of just buying a new laptop, from the guy above you, is about as helpful as telling me to shoot myself in the foot.
If I'd have enough money to just keep buying new laptops then I wouldn't have to worry so much about keeping my boss(es) happy, now would I?!

pianowizard · #12 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:08 pm

Lazarus wrote:the smart advise of just buying a new laptop, from the guy above you, is about as helpful as telling me to shoot myself in the foot.
If I'd have enough money to just keep buying new laptops then I wouldn't have to worry so much about keeping my boss(es) happy, now would I?!

You said earlier that you would lose money when your project manager notices that you're using a messed up laptop. I have no idea how much money you were talking about, but if it exceeds ~$1K, it would indeed be better to just go get a new T60. And don't forget, you can easily sell your T43 for $600, so the final cost for the new T60 would be only like $400-ish. Mine was a smart advice.

Lazarus · #13 Post by **Lazarus** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:14 pm

pianowizard wrote:You said earlier that you would lose money when your project manager notices that you're using a messed up laptop. I have no idea how much money you were talking about, but if it exceeds ~$1K, it would indeed be better to just go get a new T60. And don't forget, you can easily sell your T43 for $600, so the final cost for the new T60 would be only like $400-ish. Mine was a smart advice.

I had just purchased a T60p only to find out that my stuff won't run on it.
I messed around for 3 weeks with it before concluding that its better to show up with a system that has an error message on boot up, but works afterwards, than having no working system at all.

#14 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:33 pm

I'm curious, what kind of "stuff" wouldn't run on your T60p?

pianowizard · #15 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:36 pm

GomJabbar wrote:I'm curious, what kind of "stuff" wouldn't run on your T60p?

I'm intrigued by that too, espcially since both the T60p and the T43 use WinXP Pro.

Lazarus, if you don't want to keep your T60p any more, the Marketplace on this forum would be a nice way to sell it.

DIGITALgimpus · #16 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:16 pm

Kind of abrasive for something that is none of the forum members fault no?

Lazarus · #17 Post by **Lazarus** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:04 am

DIGITALgimpus wrote:Kind of abrasive for something that is none of the forum members fault no?

What is >abrasive< is to tell someone who asks (nicely) if there is a BIOS/Firmware update available to help him out with a POST 2010 error, to just go and buy a new laptop.

Like someone who drives to a garage because he hears funny noises under the hood and then he's being told "just go and buy a new car".

It would have been more helpful to simply say "there is no BIOS/firmware update available for the 160GB drives from Hitachi".

wolfman · #18 Post by **wolfman** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:36 am

I'm pretty sure that in the first post above PianoWizard offered advise on what to do: IE, a link to show the firmware update didn't support the drive and a suggestion to downgrade the BIOS to revision 1.02. He also posted a link to Thinkwiki to an abbreviated list of options for you to solve this problem.

On the other hand, I've worked in IT for the last 12 years and I can't recall a single time a project manager watched my PC boot. If your project manager routinely does this, maybe a simple, detailed explaination of the reason for the error would be worthwhile - assuming a reasonable solution can not quickly be found.

Either way, folks here are voluntarily helping each other....

Lazarus · #19 Post by **Lazarus** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:21 pm

wolfman wrote:... If your project manager routinely does this, maybe a simple, detailed explaination of the reason for the error would be worthwhile - assuming a reasonable solution can not quickly be found.

Either way, folks here are voluntarily helping each other....

Not sure about your line of work, but in my line you've already lost the moment you start making excuses.
And telling someone "just go and buy a new laptop" is not helping.

And I did respond to the suggestion to downgrade the BIOS, that they upgraded the BIOS so many times by now that I think they fixed more things than just the HD tolerance level of the system.

As obnoxious as that msg is , its one thing if it misleads a project manager into thinking I show up to work with a faulty system.
Its quite another story if my box then truly starts to screw up on me (because I'm running around with a faulty, outdated BIOS).

So before downgrading, I'd need to know for sure that I wouldn't re-introduce bad errors with that.
Also, my system came with this BIOS, so they might have made chip set changes to the system which are alltogether not supported by the older BIOS.
In that case I'll end up with a totally unusable system.

Ever thought of that one?

wolfman · #20 Post by **wolfman** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:33 pm

Then put the old drive back in!!! Simple.

I'm not going to get into a name calling, finger pointing argument with you - particularly not about what the difference between explaination and excuse is.

It's your machine, noone knows your situation better than you. Just do what you think is best.

Lazarus · #21 Post by **Lazarus** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:05 pm

wolfman wrote:Then put the old drive back in!!! Simple.
I'm not going to get into a name calling, finger pointing argument with you - particularly not about what the difference between explaination and excuse is.
It's your machine, noone knows your situation better than you. Just do what you think is best.

If you tell me how to fit 160GB of contents onto a 100GB disk, then I'd take you up on your suggestion to just put my old drive back in there.
If folks don't know an answer, then they sometimes still feel compelled to say something. Even if its not helpful at all.
Yet I would suggest just not saying anything if you don't know.

#22 Post by **bill bolton** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:56 pm

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