Lenovo will remove "IBM" logo from Thinkpad

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#31 Post by **K. Eng** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:45 pm

I've seen pictures of new ThinkPads with both the IBM logo on the palm rest, and the Lenovo logo on the LCD clearplate.

Lenovo should choose one or the other. It looks stupid to have both, especially when the logos look so different and are on different parts of the computer.

abu_sme · #32 Post by **abu_sme** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:00 am

As a new thinkpad user I was EXTREMELY confused by this. Here is what I have to look at when I pull out my T60p

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k13/c ... 007033.jpg

Is it Lenovo, or is it IBM?

I feel that it is now a Lenovo Thinkpad and that is that and the sooner they make it clear that they own it, the less confusion there will be.

That being said, I like that it says IBM because it makes it look old and people are less likely to steal it!

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#33 Post by **KristianJ** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:47 am

K. Eng wrote:I've seen pictures of new ThinkPads with both the IBM logo on the palm rest, and the Lenovo logo on the LCD clearplate.

Lenovo should choose one or the other. It looks stupid to have both, especially when the logos look so different and are on different parts of the computer.

I agree totally with this - when I saw a T43 last month with the Lenovo name on the clearplate it sort of turned me off a little bit. Sure, it's representative of the transitional phase of the whole thing, but it just looked second rate and one of those afterthought sort of addons. And the pic above reinforces it...

zaku · #34 Post by **zaku** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:14 pm

actually is not all that bad... i thought it would say "lenovo thinkpad" instead of "IBM thinkpad" on the corner logo ... phew...

SpaRood · #35 Post by **SpaRood** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:01 pm

I have Lenovo printed on my lid of Thinkpad....

I think it would be a shame if the IBM logo would disappear. I think Lenovo should continue using the IBM logo, if necessary, buy license from IBM.

I love IBM!

OrdoZ · #36 Post by **OrdoZ** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:44 am

well what can i say

http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showth ... genumber=4

berlin · #37 Post by **berlin** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:43 am

Not just the logo but some of Thinkpad's trademark look and feel are being dropped by Lenovo --a big part of what made thinkpads unique from other machines.

I won't be surprised if "Thinkpads" will come in different colors.

milstein · #38 Post by **milstein** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:14 pm

There is an image of to-be-released T61, showing that the IBM logo is removed from that

http://laptoping.com/wp-content/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T61.jpg

berlin · #39 Post by **berlin** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:42 am

milstein wrote:There is an image of to-be-released T61, showing that the IBM logo is removed from that

http://laptoping.com/wp-content/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T61.jpg

X60s will be the last for me. My next laptop will be a mac with Vista loaded. I hope it won't be too difficult to do so.

pianowizard · #40 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:27 am

berlin wrote:X60s will be the last for me.

I previously said that I would like to upgrade from my T60 to a WS T61, but now I think I should hold on to the T60 because it's the last Thinkpad with the "IBM" logo. Without that logo, a Thinkpad just doesn't look right. So, it will be my last Thinkpad and I will try to use it for as long as possible. When it dies, I will replace it with an HP or Panasonic.

milstein · #41 Post by **milstein** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:50 pm

pianowizard wrote:
berlin wrote:X60s will be the last for me.
...Without that logo, a Thinkpad just doesn't look right... When it dies, I will replace it with an HP or Panasonic.

Is that logo that important? What if your current T60 has your beloved IBM logo scratched off? (It's still basically the same IBM-unrelated machine China-manufactured)

I doubt if one can successfully shift to HP or Panasonic if one really want a laptop with top usability and reliability. Companies will improve, let's see

I like the 4:3 T60 more than the 16:10 T61 in rumours. But I tend to focus more on the design, construction quality, usability and reliability considerations --- less due to the IBM/Big Blue complex
Afterall, PC manufacturing is a tough business, and IBM called a quit.

We all like the Thinkpads, we should hope and push Lenovo so that they can hold on and continue the legend of Thinkpads

pianowizard · #42 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:38 pm

milstein wrote:I doubt if one can successfully shift to HP or Panasonic if one really want a laptop with top usability and reliability......But I tend to focus more on the design, construction quality, usability and reliability considerations

According to statistics, the Panasonic business Toughbooks have far lower failure rates than Thinkpads. The reason I haven't owned one is they are much more expensive than Thinkpads. The Y5 is the most ideal laptop I've seen: 14.1" SXGA+ with internal optical drive at only 3.4 lbs.

#43 Post by **tomh009** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:56 pm

pianowizard wrote:According to statistics, the Panasonic business Toughbooks have far lower failure rates than Thinkpads.

PW, are you referring to the self-selected "surveys" run by the PC rags which ask a few generic questions at the manufacturer level?

pianowizard · #44 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:05 pm

tomh009 wrote:PW, are you referring to the self-selected "surveys" run by the PC rags which ask a few generic questions at the manufacturer level?

I think I got the statistics from Wikipedia. Something like 2% for Panasonic Business versus 20% for other brands including Thinkpads. They are called "Toughbooks" for a reason.

furrycute · #45 Post by **furrycute** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:59 pm

How much trust do you place in the objectivity of those who wrote up the article? Anyone can go to Wikipedia and write up an article and quote you some statistics. In fact I can change that 20% to 2% right now, if I am so inclined.

If Lenovo can continue to use the IBM logo, Lenvo will. But per the purchase agreement Lenovo signed with IBM a couple of years ago, Lenovo can only use the IBM logo for a limited number of years. And I am guessing that by the end of this year, per contract agreement, Lenovo has to stop using the IBM logo.

Personally, as long as the Thinkpads continue to have their legendary build quality, I can care less about what fancy stickers Lenovo puts on these computers.

pianowizard · #46 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:30 pm

furrycute wrote:How much trust do you place in the objectivity of those who wrote up the article? Anyone can go to Wikipedia and write up an article and quote you some statistics. In fact I can change that 20% to 2% right now, if I am so inclined.

I understand that Wikipedia can be modified by anyone, but in this particular case, I believe those numbers. Panasonic's reputation is second to none.

furrycute · #47 Post by **furrycute** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:46 pm

Okay, I actually went to Wikipedia and read that article.

In that article, it says the return rates for major notebook manufacturers is about 25%. For toughbooks, it is around 3.2%.

The article does not specify which of the major notebook manufacturers it is including in this 25% return rate.

The Dell inspiron line? We all know the problems the Inspirons have.

The Sony Vaio line? We all know the problems of the lower end Vaios.

The HP consumer lineup? HP didn't clean up the mess with with their consumer lineup until recently.

It is unfair to bundle Thinkpad statistics along with statistics from these other manufacturers. For all we know, Thinkpads by themselves have a MUCH lower return rate, less than 10%.

Put this another way, if I bundle the return statistics of toughbooks along with the return statistics from other manufacturers (excluding Lenovo), than I would also have an average of about 25%.

Compare this 25% return rate from the major notebook manufacturers (including the toughbooks) to the less than 10% return rate of the Thinkpads, the Thinkpads appear MUCH better than the toughbooks.

pianowizard wrote:
furrycute wrote:How much trust do you place in the objectivity of those who wrote up the article? Anyone can go to Wikipedia and write up an article and quote you some statistics. In fact I can change that 20% to 2% right now, if I am so inclined.
I understand that Wikipedia can be modified by anyone, but in this particular case, I believe those numbers. Panasonic's reputation is second to none.

dr_st · #48 Post by **dr_st** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:14 am

pianowizard wrote:The Y5 is the most ideal laptop I've seen: 14.1" SXGA+ with internal optical drive at only 3.4 lbs.

No IPS screen, no trackpoint. I bet the keyboard isn't as good, and its layout is definitely non-standard. I know to you it's all about resolution and weight, but there are other things about a laptop that are important to some.

pianowizard · #49 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:56 am

furrycute wrote:The article does not specify which of the major notebook manufacturers it is including in this 25% return rate.

Based on surveys by various computer magazines, the failure/return rate for Thinkpads is only slightly better than that for other brands.

dr_st wrote:No IPS screen, no trackpoint. I bet the keyboard isn't as good, and its layout is definitely non-standard. I know to you it's all about resolution and weight, but there are other things about a laptop that are important to some.

Lenovo is doing away with IPS screens. I am equally comfortable with both trackpoint and touchpad. I agree the keyboards of Thinkpads are superior to other brands, which is one of the main reasons why I have been using such a big fan of Thinkpads (have used >20 since Sep 2002). But if other brands are catching up with the design and/or quality of Thinkpads, they become viable alternatives. For the Panasonic Y series, the Y4 only had a 4200rpm HDD and Pentium M, so it wasn't very appealing. But the current version, Y5, uses a standard 2.5" HDD and Core Duo. Combined with its amazing light weight, internal optical drive and impressive reliability, I think it's now the best candidate for my next laptop. Those of you who are not happy with the T61 should consider the Panasonic Y5.

furrycute · #50 Post by **furrycute** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:45 pm

As has already being pointed out by another poster: I quote

PW, are you referring to the self-selected "surveys" run by the PC rags which ask a few generic questions at the manufacturer level?

pianowizard wrote:
furrycute wrote: Based on surveys by various computer magazines, the failure/return rate for Thinkpads is only slightly better than that for other brands.

furrycute · #51 Post by **furrycute** » Tue May 01, 2007 12:49 pm

pianowizard wrote:...I think it's now the best candidate for my next laptop. Those of you who are not happy with the T61 should consider the Panasonic Y5.

A 1.83ghz Core Duo, 1gb RAM toughbook Y5 will set you back ~$3,300 before taxes.

Personally, I would rather take 2 T61's with that kind of money.

#52 Post by **JaneL** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:04 pm

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