600E Hangs when booting XP with DVD/ RW in

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LTjunkie · #1 Post by **LTjunkie** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:14 pm

Hi, this is my first post so please go easy if I miss something, etiquette wise.

I do have to say what a fantastic source of information this forum is. I'm glad I found it.

Anyway my problem is this. I have a TP 600E 2645-4KU PII 366 320MB, that works great with Windows XP upgraded to SP2. I changed the CD drive for a Toshiba DVD/ RW model SD-R2412. That's when the fun began.

The DVD drive works fine in my Toshiba 4060XCDT (am I allowed to mention that name here?).

The 600E hangs at AGP440 (in safe mode).

The 600E boots fine with the floppy drive in the ultra bay.

Once the 600E has booted I can swap the DVD into the ultrabay in place of the floppy and everything is fine. XP reconizes the DVD and I can even play DVD's (using Pwr DVD 5.0, 16 bit colour and the TV output disabled).

What else I have tried.

I ran the XP updates from IBM.

The BIOS is the most current 1.16.

I even tried the AGP440 fix from Microsoft (I have now backed it out).

I have now run out of ideas and I could not find anything like this problem posted here. If anyone has any thoughs or suggestions I would really appreciate it.

I would really like to upgrade this to a PIII (I didn't even know it was possible untill I read this forum). But I don't want to get into that until I get this issue resolved.

LTjunkie

whizkid · #2 Post by **whizkid** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:29 pm

Welcome!

Your post is not at all clear as to what you're trying to do when your machine "hangs at AGP440".

LTjunkie · #3 Post by **LTjunkie** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:40 pm

If my effort to provide as much detail as posible I may have muddied my goal (problem).

I would just like to get the laptop to boot with the DVD drive in the ultrabay.

I have a work around: Boot with the floppy and then insert the DVD, but it's a bit of a pain. I think the AGP440 hang is a bit of a red herring as it only happens with the DVD and the MS fix did not change anything.

The event viewer shows no errors.

LTjunkie

lenmullen · #4 Post by **lenmullen** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:24 pm

I just had a similar problem with a desktop this weekend. Changed a bunch of stuff at once and per protocol could not boot the machine. It would hang at the xp load screen. Starting in safe mode command prompt only, I could see the hang was at agp440.sys.

It turned out that my dvd recorder -- which I had moved from slave to master when I removed an older cdrw -- was the problem. Moving it back to slave solved the problem.

I can't explain this, but I moved the drive from slave to master to slave to confirm the problem/fix.

If your machine will boot without the dvd installed, check the jumper. Maybe it's set to slave?

LTjunkie · #5 Post by **LTjunkie** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:32 pm

I thought that this might be the issue except that I can not find any way to set the the master/ slave option on a laptop drive. There are no jumpers (that I can see) on any of the drives that I have.

The other issue is that this drive works fine if I put it in the ultrabay after the laptop has booted up. I don't think the drive would work if it had the wrong setting.

Is there a way to set Master, slave or CS on a laptop drive?

Another 600E question; does the ultrabay floppy drive usually show up as drive B?

LT

#6 Post by **rkawakami** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:11 pm

LTjunkie wrote:Is there a way to set Master, slave or CS on a laptop drive?

With the 600 systems, not that I know of. If you install a hard drive inside the HD bay, then it's a master drive. When you put an Ultrabay HD adapter inside the system, then that drive is either a slave to the first controller or a master to the second controller. Automatically. Don't have a 600 system w/Ultrabay adapter with me at the moment to know exactly which is the case.

LTjunkie wrote:Another 600E question; does the ultrabay floppy drive usually show up as drive B?

Ooohh.. don't know exactly. I generally use an external floppy drive (which is accessed by A: ) with the 600s. Something tells me that it's either a BIOS setting or is dependant upon the BIOS revision. But don't quote me

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lenmullen · #7 Post by **lenmullen** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:28 pm

That was just a WAG -- remarkable coincidence. But look at this: http://www.driverforum.com/cdrom5/10744.html abd this: http://www.duxcw.com/yabbse/index.php?b ... eadid=5520

Maybe this drive only comes master or slave? Maybe it is a firmware setting? Maybe the drive just won't work in a thinkpad?

#8 Post by **rkawakami** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:47 pm

Hmm.. that may explain why a recently-purchased HP 393687-1C0 DVD burner didn't work in my T23s. It was a Panasonic UJ840 drive. Same type I've bought before and have used with the T23s. This one just wouldn't work if I tried booting from it. Worked fine under Windows (read and wrote disks) but I could not get it to boot a known good CD.

LTjunkie · #9 Post by **LTjunkie** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:58 pm

remarkable coincidence. But look at this: http://www.driverforum.com/cdrom5/10744.html abd this: http://www.duxcw.com/yabbse/index.php?b ... eadid=5520

Maybe this drive only comes master or slave? Maybe it is a firmware setting? Maybe the drive just won't work in a thinkpad?

This does sound a lot like what I am experiencing. But will a drive work after booting if it has the wrong master/ slave configuration?

The thing that keeps me spending time on this is the DVD works fine after the TP is running and I swap the drive with the floppy. From a time point of view it would have been easier if the drive didn't work at all.

LT

lenmullen · #10 Post by **lenmullen** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:40 pm

I think it would because the drivers are already loaded. MAYBE the problem is due to the system trying to boot off the drive? Can you check and make the drive come after the hard disk? If this works, then 1) you may have a work around, and 2) you have some more evidence you are dealing with a drive problem and can start looking for a means of checking/setting master/slave on the drive.

lenmullen · #11 Post by **lenmullen** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:42 pm

another idea...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324764/en-us

LTjunkie · #12 Post by **LTjunkie** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:27 pm

Can you check and make the drive come after the hard disk?

I though you might have something with this idea. It was definetly something that I hadn't tried (and simple too, which is often a good solution).

I removed the DVD/ CD from the boot options altogether. Unfortunately, no joy. It hangs at the same place (partway through XP boot).

I already tried the AGP440 solution (just because), but it didn't help and it caused a couple of other minor issues so I backed it out.

Thanks and keep thinking.

LT

lenmullen · #13 Post by **lenmullen** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:47 am

Maybe this is your answer...

http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?p=1 ... 48619887a7

Hello ewingo,

- Well, I Think - In Your Situation You Can Try "Bypass" TSST/Toshiba Firmware Update "Checker",
Which Prevents You To Flash Your Drive Under Windows, In Case Of BIOS Boot IDE1# Error Message...

- So, Just Try Follow These Instructions:
1, For Sure - Download Once Again zip Archive File With Firmware Updates:
http://support.toshiba-tro.de/tools/upd ... wre-na.zip
2, Extract This zip Archive Into New Folder...
3, Now You Will Need Rename Executable File (Change It's File Extension From exe To zip) :
FW Update Tool.exe
...For Example To:
FW Update Tool.zip

4, Just Go Into This "New" Archive ( Very Happy ) FW Update Tool.zip & You Will See In It Folder Named:
WinVup
...Which Contain "True" Firmware Updates For Several Toshiba TSST Drives, So Simply Extract This Folder...

5, Now Go Into This Extracted Folder (WinVup) & You Will See In It Two Files - "Real" Firmware Updates For Your Toshiba SD-R2412 CD Rewritable Drive:
SDR2412_1018.exe
(For As Slave / CSEL Configured / Connected Drive)
&
SDR2412_1x33.exe
(For As Master Configured / Connected Drive)

6, Finally, Use Your "Trick"...So Plug Your Toshiba Drive Into Notebook During Windows Boot,
And While Your Drive Is Recognized In Windows (From Your DISCINFO LOG - It Seems That You Need To) Run: SDR2412_1x33.exe

- Note That These Updates From Toshiba's Hotline Support "Only" Updates / Fix Or Allow You Safe Disc Ejection,
In Case Of New DVD-RAM Format Disc (RAM2) Is Inserted Into The Drive...

- So You Will Still Need Firmware CSEL Changer Utility, Slave / CSEL Firmware Version, Or Hardware Modding:
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?p=1 ... ht=#160368
...To Change Your Toshiba Drive Connection Mode From Master To Slave / CSEL One,
For Correct Functionality In Your Notebook, Because Of Conflict With Hard Disk Drive (IDE1# Error), Which Is Connected As Master...

- I Think, Better (Easiest) Way For You (If It's New Drive Under Warranty) Is Contact Your Toshiba Drive Supplier,
And Replace Your Toshiba SD-R2412 CD Rewritable Drive With Same Model, But With CSEL / Slave Firmware Version...

Hope This Helps You,
Dumax

Looks like you should be able to flash your firmware to support master or slave. Use some drive util to see if your old drive is set different than the new and apply the appropriate firmware update.

http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?p=1 ... ht=#160368

If your German is good, you can read this...

http://www.dschen.de/laptop_brenner/

Here is where I found the links...

http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?p=1 ... ht=#160368

LTjunkie · #14 Post by **LTjunkie** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:58 pm

First thanks to lenmullen and the rest for all of your help. There was a lot of information to digest (hence the delay in my response). I think I have now figured things out. The bad news is I'm not sure if I can correct anything.

The DVD drive (Toshiba SD-R2412) came from a Toshiba 4060XCDT laptop. I have since determined that that laptop uses inverse CSEL for it's drives (I'm not sure how this is different from CSEL, but it is). When I put the drive into the TP 600 (using the swap method detailed above) it shows up as a slave on the second controller with no master. It also does not show up in the stop/ remove hardware icon in the task bar, so I can not swap it out without shutting down (not a big deal).

I tried shorting pins 47 to 45 as detailed in one of the links. But that did not change anything.

I'm rather reluctant to use the firmware flash as it is for a different model.

So the options that I see are:

1) Do nothing and live with it.

2) Find a way to put it on the HD controller, rather than the secondary, as a slave. Has anyone done something like this?

3) Find another DVD drive (cheap).

Anyone else have any thoughts or suggestions please reply?

lenmullen · #15 Post by **lenmullen** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:30 pm

Unless you have another use for the DVD, I'd give the firmware flash a shot. I've flashed a drive -- no big deal. If you are not going to use this to write disks, there are plenty of cheap readers out there. I have bought drives intended for a 600 and some that were not and have very few problems.

Good luck.

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