will there be a Vista tablet edition to go out with the x60t

[apbudha]

considering the x60t with the touchscreen in a couple months and wondering if these will start shipping with Vista, and since it uses a tablet version of XP now, will this wait for this special type of version fo Vista. just curious..

on another note, I noticed perhaps Lenovo/thinkpads don't necessarily try to release with the latest hardware like Apple does, like the case where the latest x series tablet does not include the core 2 duo. This can be discouraging, but perhaps this is how they are able to provide a quality product with less production issues as Apple? (i.e. they take more time testing the hardware.) Would this inference also mean that when the Sana Rosa chipset slated for sometime Q2 is finally available, that Lenovo still would be behind the curve, and wouldn't see it in the x line until at least Christmas? just wondering if anyone has an opinion or would like to prognosticate.

by the way the option for reading pdfs on the screen using width-wise real estate is very tempting, would you be able to use the touchscreen interface to scroll easily?

Cheers

[draco2527]

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There will be NO Vista Tablet....Some versions of Vista INCLUDE tablet support. I am in the process of filling out the redemption form for the FREE Vista upgrade for the X60 T

The reason for NOT having the Duo Core 2 (will give you 64bit support) is due to the fact that the procs on the Tablets are ULV or LV (Ultra low voltage or Low Voltage) processors that put a considerable cost increase on the final price of the product. They also help in keeping battery life to a maximum. To my knowledge a Duo Core 2 LV or ULV has not been released.

As far as the touch screen on the X60 T, it is not designed to "navigate" (I don't care what the reviews try to tell you!!) It is more for TOUCH input on forms or predetermined fields. Did you ever go into a gas station that has TOUCHSCREENS, did you notice that MOST of the people running the machines use a #2 pencil with the eraser being their INPUT device and not their finger! The reason for this is that if you placed your hand on the screen you would have MULTIPLE contact areas and the software would have to have some type of software to help it determine were your NON input contact points are. The software is out there, but it is less then perfect. Unless you are going to be running some CUSTOM application that has predetermined fields, I would stay away from the dual touch screen! Also the X60 T has a NEVIGATION DIAL, so if you want to scroll the pages you can do so without having to use the pen or finger, just press the "wheel" on the LCD bezel.

If you are going to be reading a LOT of PDF's or creating documents I highly recommend the SXGA+ over the dual touch that is XGA only. On the 12.1" screen web pages and a full page of a document will fit on the screen without the need to scroll left/right or up/down to read every page.

[marlinspike]

My friend has an X60T with the multi-touch screen and he has no problem using his finger with it.

[el aye]

My friend has an X60T with the multi-touch screen and he has no problem using his finger with it.

I don't have a problem with it either (I usually use my finger nail for hitting the small buttons). I would have gotten the SXGA+ instead, but it would have ended up costing another $500 for me. I don't use the touch exclusively, but it is a nice addition to be able to use it as a supplement when navigating.

[draco2527]

The target area is easy to miss, in particular if you have no nails! Plus you can't place your full hand on the glass
when using the touch function...

It is not hard to get used to it , bit IMHO there is no point in the multi-touch; unless you will be using GPS or some custom app! The point is, if you are going to do a lot of reading (and your eyes can handle the higher res.) then I highly recommend the SXGA+ and forget the multi-touch

[dyne]

The target area is easy to miss, in particular if you have no nails! Plus you can't place your full hand on the glass
when using the touch function...

It is not hard to get used to it , bit IMHO there is no point in the multi-touch; unless you will be using GPS or some custom app! The point is, if you are going to do a lot of reading (and your eyes can handle the higher res.) then I highly recommend the SXGA+ and forget the multi-touch[/quote]

Then again, the SXGA+ screens aren't transreflective, while the multitouch/multiview screens are

[draco2527]

True, this again comes into play with specific applications...the only time I use this outside is in the summer..out on the deck covered by shade...been able to use all except for the toshiba M200...sometimes I had problems indoors were strong lighting was present, but then again the M200 was a dream come true at the time!

[Tab]

Then again, the SXGA+ screens aren't transreflective, while the multitouch/multiview screens are

Can you provide a reference for MT/MV screens being transflective? From reports of users, it seems the MT/MV screens just have a coating which lets the screen be more readable in sunlight.

If the screens were transflective, users would have reported them getting brighter in indirect bright light, and that hasn't been the case.

[karlth]

I bought a X60t with Multitouch and Vista pre installed from Lenovo last weekend.

So if you have any specific questions just ask.

[apbudha]

I bought a X60t with Multitouch and Vista pre installed from Lenovo last weekend.

So if you have any specific questions just ask.

how do you like it? ; } you probably don't have xp tab. edition to compare to, but does all the tablet/touchscreen functionality work correctly? do you ever use the touch to scroll through pdfs? does it make it easier?

[apbudha]

oh and does the right palmrest get warm or is that perhap a x60 non-tablet specific problem?

[karlth]

It doesn't get uncomfortably warm at all.

Everything does seem to work correctly, both using the finger and pen.

I love writing using the Microsoft Journal, makes my handwriting look much better than it does on paper.

[apbudha]

The reason for NOT having the Duo Core 2 (will give you 64bit support) is due to the fact that the procs on the Tablets are ULV or LV (Ultra low voltage or Low Voltage) processors that put a considerable cost increase on the final price of the product. They also help in keeping battery life to a maximum. To my knowledge a Duo Core 2 LV or ULV has not been released.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/01 ... ge_meroms/

Intel quietly ships low-voltage Core 2 Duos
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By Tony Smith [More by this author]
1st February 2007 11:02 GMT

Intel appears to have launched a pair of low-voltage Core 2 Duo processors. The two CPUs, the L7200 and L7400, both appear on the chip maker's website, though not on its official public price list as yet.

The L7200 and L7400 are clocked at 1.33GHz and 1.5GHz, respectively. Both operate on a 667MHz frontside bus and contain 4MB of shared L2 cache. Each consumes no more than 17W.

The two low-voltage 'Merom' chips first appeared on Intel roadmaps back in May 2006, marked with a Q1 2007 debut window. They're due to be joined by the ultra-low voltage U7500 next quarter.

Q2 should also see the arrival of the L7300 and L7500, Socket P versions of the L7200 and L7300 - the higher model numbers arise from the later chips' support for an 800MHz FSB. Socket P is the new interconnect being introduced with 'Santa Rosa', the next generation of Intel's Centrino platform. Other Santa Rosa-friendly processors are said to be scheduled to ship in May.

^^ with Santa Rosa forcasted as Q2, i wonder, wonder when the next xseries tablet will be released, in 07 at all? mmm mmmm.. 800 FSB goodness. then again you can wait until '08 for the chips with the new insulators that preserves power. Always waiting for the next thing..

"I think that's a super philosophy, Will, that way you can go through your entire life without ever having to really know anybody...".

[draco2527]

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http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/01 ... ge_meroms/

Intel quietly ships low-voltage Core 2 Duos
[Print][Mobile]
By Tony Smith [More by this author]
1st February 2007 11:02 GMT

Intel appears to have launched a pair of low-voltage Core 2 Duo processors. The two CPUs, the L7200 and L7400, both appear on the chip maker's website, though not on its official public price list as yet.

The L7200 and L7400 are clocked at 1.33GHz and 1.5GHz, respectively. Both operate on a 667MHz frontside bus and contain 4MB of shared L2 cache. Each consumes no more than 17W.

The two low-voltage 'Merom' chips first appeared on Intel roadmaps back in May 2006, marked with a Q1 2007 debut window. They're due to be joined by the ultra-low voltage U7500 next quarter.

Q2 should also see the arrival of the L7300 and L7500, Socket P versions of the L7200 and L7300 - the higher model numbers arise from the later chips' support for an 800MHz FSB. Socket P is the new interconnect being introduced with 'Santa Rosa', the next generation of Intel's Centrino platform. Other Santa Rosa-friendly processors are said to be scheduled to ship in May.

^^ with Santa Rosa forcasted as Q2, i wonder, wonder when the next xseries tablet will be released, in 07 at all? mmm mmmm.. 800 FSB goodness. then again you can wait until '08 for the chips with the new insulators that preserves power. Always waiting for the next thing..

"I think that's a super philosophy, Will, that way you can go through your entire life without ever having to really know anybody...".[/quote]

So much for checking with "Intel" today! I went to the Vista and Office 2007 launch today (in Detroit) and the Intel reps talked their heads off...when I asked them about a Duo Core 2 ULV or LV...they said..."we are listening to what customers want"....but no mention it was "released"!