7200hdd in a x40 ultrabase, possible?!

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dorin · #1 Post by **dorin** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:25 am

edit: look to my las post here

hi there,

can someone please help me with this creepy problem?
so, today i got the 2nd hdd adapter, and a 7200 hdd for my x40.
problem 1: the dvd slides (almost falls in the slimbay) but the hdd adapter, needs to be pushed, not with force, but it needs abit of help (pn 62p4553)

and now the BIG problem!

whenever the hdd adapter with the 7200 drive are inside the docking the fan is just dead....i see it trying to move but not working. obviously when i try to boot with them inside, i get fan error and power off.

even more confusing is that when i put in the hdd adapter a 4200 hdd the fan works perfect.

the windows sees both drives perfect...

any ideas?!

thanks,

dorin

dorin · #2 Post by **dorin** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:53 pm

c'mon, no ideas? pls help!!!

Ken Fox · #3 Post by **Ken Fox** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:38 pm

I don't have an X4x (although I have both an X32 and now, again, an X60). I am wondering if there is something about the fact that your X40 uses those oddball 1.8" 4200rpm drives, that makes it not accept your 7200rpm drive in the base. Perhaps there is a bios issue or some sort of non-options by IBM drive issue, ala the 2010 error in the T43. But I don't know that, I just made it up . . . . .

As to how the adapter fits into the ultrabase, others have noted that the HDD ultrabay adapters can sometimes be a tight fit. The adapter I have fits much more tightly into my T43 than does the optical drive. If it fits in and you can get it out, this is not a problem.

If the 7200rpm drive works fine in other locations such as on an IDE-USB adapter or in a USB2 box or in another laptop, then I can't understand why you would have this problem. Could there be some sort of overcurrent issue, like this drive drawing more power than the dock can provide? Is this on both battery power and on a.c.?

Wish I could help more but I have no experience with the X4x series or the ultrabase that works with it.

dorin · #4 Post by **dorin** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:41 am

nooooooooooooooo!!!

i've just talked to ibm...so according to the x40 expand option document x40's bios is allowed only 40gb 5400 hdd in ultrabay...

can you imagine what's at my mouth now?!

is something that the 7200 hdd takes too much energy and give too much heat, and its considered not safe....

so till santa rosa...x40...[/url]

Ken Fox · #5 Post by **Ken Fox** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:11 am

all is not lost. Put the drive into a 2.5" USB2/FW box and use it that way.

Grey Area · #6 Post by **Grey Area** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:18 pm

dorin wrote:nooooooooooooooo!!!

i've just talked to ibm...so according to the x40 expand option document x40's bios is allowed only 40gb 5400 hdd in ultrabay...

can you imagine what's at my mouth now?!

is something that the 7200 hdd takes too much energy and give too much heat, and its considered not safe....

so till santa rosa...x40...[/url]

Hmm... according to the equivalent document for the X41 the maximum allowed in the ultrabay adapter for that machine is an 80GB 5400RPM drive, yet I have had both both a 160GB 5400 and a 100GB 7200 running fine there.(?)

Are you sure you have a genuine ultrabay adapter? I have an original IBM and a fake one from ebay. The IBM is made of metal and some plastic, and it slides in just as well as the DVD drive. The fake one is entirely plastic and needs quite some pushing, similar to what you describe. It carries an IBM label complete with FRU and so on, so at first I did not even realize I had bought a fake, not before I got an original later on.

Björn

dorin · #7 Post by **dorin** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:37 pm

yeap, it is the original ibm adapter. any chance how to hack the bios to take the 7200 hdd?

mfbernstein · #8 Post by **mfbernstein** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:45 pm

Not to resurrect a dead thread, but was there any final word on this. I have an X40 with the most recent BIOS update and an X4 UltraBase, and was hoping to add a 7200RPM 100GB drive to it. Is this likely to work?

Also, I assume the internal drive can be upgraded to 60GB, should I be lucky enough to find one of the 1.8" IBM-branded ones? Thanks.

mfbernstein · #9 Post by **mfbernstein** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:43 pm

Following up on my last question in case any are interested, I've successfully added a 2.5" 160GB 5400RPM drive to my X40's UltraBase with no problems.

wilsonhs · #10 Post by **wilsonhs** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:12 am

maybe its really the energy consumption problem.
u know, for coincidences considered on above,
all users using bigger HDD successfully in their TP
are using HDD in 5400 .

The biggest pbm is that ur HDD is a 7200 one.

Maybe seek for the seller of HDD to tradein for a 5400 model or just sell it out in EBAY and get a 5400 back.

dorin · #11 Post by **dorin** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:35 am

mfbernstein, did you try a 7200hdd? i dont have any to try (i do in fact but that's die to soon hdd, i put it in an acer and that laptop was way much faster with its original 4200hdd...

if i only new someone tried, i'd buy an 7200 in a second! the difference in speed (booting moslty but as well operational) between 4200 and 5400 -for x40- is amazing! i can only imagine what'd be to have a x40 with a 7200hdd....wow! even if only for office...

wilsonhs · #12 Post by **wilsonhs** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:51 am

every tried to use the 7200 hdd as the primary hdd to boot up rather than in ultrabase?
if it can boot in internal hdd caddy rather than Ultrabase,
just swap them and use the old one in ultrabase.
if not...i think we have to wait experts here to help.

xmdsf1983 · #13 Post by **xmdsf1983** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:42 am

you can not swap, the 7200 or 5400 hd can only be used in the ultrabase since x4 uses a 1.8 hard drive

anyone using a 7200 hd in the ultrabase?

mfbernstein · #14 Post by **mfbernstein** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:01 pm

dorin: I haven't tried a 7200RPM drive. However, there should be no difference between a 7200RPM and a 5400RPM drive so far as the UltraBase is concerned. Because of greater platter density, the 160GB 5400RPM drive should be almost as fast as the 7200RPM 100GB drive, but it's both larger and cheaper.

dorin · #15 Post by **dorin** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:54 pm

mfbernstein, i tried with the one i have, but its a faulty hdd, i mean the acer laptop (download laptop) is way much slower with it than it was with its original 5400.
the ibm dude said it wont work due to higher heat and electricity than 5400 hdds....well he also said i cannot boot from it (ultrabase) cause the bios won't allow it, when i told hime that i use dual booting for 4 months now he started bubleling...
i don't want to buy an 7200 hdd and have surprises...only if someone would have one just to try it for 2 min would be enough...whenever i put that 7200 hdd the fan dies

mfbernstein · #16 Post by **mfbernstein** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:52 am

Sorry, I don't have a 7200rpm drive, and so can't test. However, you're certainly right that the UltraBase drive is bootable.

Have a look at Tom's Hardware's 2.5" Hard Drive Charts page though: I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the performance of the larger 5400rpm drives vs. the smaller 7200rpm ones. Best.

CreativeBR · #17 Post by **CreativeBR** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:02 pm

I just received a X41 Tablet with a original 4200rpm 40gb HD from hitachi.

As i have a Hitachi 7k100 7200rpm 2.5" (HTS721060G9AT00) in hands i decided to try it in the X41 (yes, i know it doesnt fit all in the bay) just to evaluate the performance.

Is there a reason to the X41 dont recognize the new HD? I booted from a USB hirens pendrive and every HD software didnt find anything in the IDE adapter.

I'm sure this HD is working because i was just using it in a Motion M1300 Tablet.

Thanks for the help.
CreativeBR

dorin · #18 Post by **dorin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:13 am

i have the same 7200 hdd, nd i have problems with it when i put it in the ultrabay...

CreativeBR · #19 Post by **CreativeBR** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:32 pm

I dont have an ultra base to check if it works there but the system started as usual with the 7200 HD placed in the primary IDE bay (as i said it was not detected) by the USB bootable pendrive.

Even the Hitachi's utils didnt find the HD.

I dont think its a power restriction but a BIOS or software one.

The M1300 uses a original 4200 RPM HD too and works with the 7200 one nicely.

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CreativeBR

dorin · #20 Post by **dorin** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:58 pm

you mean you tried to put the 7200 one instead of the 1.8 one, in the laptop straight? it'll never work, even if the same connector. dont know why, just that'll never work (thought of that option some time ago)

Grey Area · #21 Post by **Grey Area** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:24 pm

dorin wrote:you mean you tried to put the 7200 one instead of the 1.8 one, in the laptop straight? it'll never work, even if the same connector. dont know why, just that'll never work (thought of that option some time ago)

Maybe a difference in voltage? 2.5"-drives run with 5V, while 1.8"-drives usually run with 3.3V. The drives in the X4*-series are special in that they have two modes of operation - 3.3V like usual 1.8"-drives and 5V like the bigger ones, which allows their usage in regular IDE drive bays intended for 2.5"-drives. Now, as the power consumption is lower at 3.3V and the tiny drive bay in the X4* is not really intended for 2.5"-drives, my guess is that the X4* just provides 3.3V, which is insufficient for a 2.5"-drive.

Björn

dorin · #22 Post by **dorin** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:36 am

mfbernstein, are you sure that is pretty much no difference in speed between a 7200 100gb vs 5400 160gb? cause i just checked the store and its pretty much the same price
thanks,
dorin

CreativeBR · #23 Post by **CreativeBR** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:32 pm

dorin wrote:you mean you tried to put the 7200 one instead of the 1.8 one, in the laptop straight? it'll never work, even if the same connector. dont know why, just that'll never work (thought of that option some time ago)

Yes...Thats what i did.

The connectors are identical. 8(

I was looking for someone that booted from an 2.5HD (5400 or 7200) replacing the 1.8 one and could not find even one...

dorin · #24 Post by **dorin** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:03 am

you can do that by booting up from ultrabay. i got used to that, and now whenever i have to boot from x40's hdd it takes quite longer...that's why i always keep the 1.8" hdd in hibernation.
next week i'll buy a 160gb 5400, i really hope that it is indeed as fast as 100gb 7200

cheers,

dorin

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