+ve comments about build quality New T60 Vs my Aug 06 T60

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#1 Post by **gator** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:38 am

One of my friends here recently bought a T60 new from Lenovo, same model as mine (2613 - 15" SXGA+ LCD). This new machine is very similar to mine except for the processor speed. I had a chance to compare the build quality of these two thinkpads first hand and below are my moslty positive comments:

1. The new machine is a rock, as always. The keyboard seems to be like the old NMB ones (which surprised me a lot), with a fantastic response and great travel almost close to my X31 keyboard. My machine also has a supposedly NMB keyboard, but after seen the new one, I have my doubts

Seriously, the new keyborad is excellent (and I am picky).

2. Though this is a minor point, I'll jot this down. Hje latch on the lid is back to the defualt black color compared to the silver on mine. It looks very neat. (Thanks for listening, Lenovo!)

3. The battery does NOT wiggle one bit (6 cell AND 9 cell) in the new one and it does not say it if SANYO or PANASONIC etc - it says Lenovo!! (My battery has a sanyo label on it) - has Lenovo started making batteries

4. The keyboard bezel is slightly beefier(and very, very solid) near the hinges and looks lightly different - infact, in comparison, mine feels slightly flimsy now in comparison

5. The palmrest has the same issues fixing it - it is impossible to put it right at the first go. I wish it were easier like in the 14" models.

6. The power and the volume buttons DO NOT feel flimsy or cheap - beleive me, the old school power button feel is back. But I really wish they bought back the earlier design for these, they were much much better.

7. The screen is gorgeous, as always. No grains, no difference from my BOE HYDIS panel (the new one is a samsung). Colours look just the same, I cannot tell them apart at all whatever I do. After seeing some complaints about sparkly display, I was expecting some difference, but the screen is gorgeous.

It is nice to see Lenovo taking in our feedback and making the machines fantastic. Though the details are minor and petty, they are subtle and great at the same time. It is really good to see these changes and an even more solid feeling T60. Way to go, Lenovo!

#2 Post by **RonS** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:15 am

I got my T60p in March/April 2006, and I've never thought anything other than it's rock solid. I'd like to compare it side-by-side with a new release like you did.

My latch release has a silver square on it (where it makes contact with your finger) but the rest of the latch is black. It that consistent with your "old" T60?

#3 Post by **gator** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:22 am

RonS wrote: My latch release has a silver square on it (where it makes contact with your finger) but the rest of the latch is black. It that consistent with your "old" T60?

Yes, that is what I meant by "silver" in my post above. It is black now

efrant · #4 Post by **efrant** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:01 am

I purchased my T60p in January, and genreally the build quaility is good. One negative however: when the lid is closed, it seems that it doesn't sit completely flat, and hence creaks a little bit if you apply any pressure to the left hand side near the corner closest to you.

soultrane · #5 Post by **soultrane** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:01 pm

efrant wrote:One negative however: when the lid is closed, it seems that it doesn't sit completely flat, and hence creaks a little bit if you apply any pressure to the left hand side near the corner closest to you.

Not sure if i'm on the right track here but the link below appears to be addressing the issue you're concerned with, check out the second paragraph:

http://www.lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=19

efrant · #6 Post by **efrant** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:54 pm

Yeah, I saw that. However, that's not quite what I'm talking about. I should have been more clear n my post. Let's try again: when the lid is closed, it seems like the latch on the left hand side does not hold the lid at the same level as on the rght hand side. It is hardly noticeable visually, but if you push down slightly on the left hand corner, it moves down abit and makes a loud creak. The same does not happen when you push down or the right hand corner. There is seems that the latch is holding the lid down to the correct level. (I know this all my sound a bit nitpicky, but I've seen a few T60's before and they didn't seem to have this defect (mind you, they were all 14" units), so I guess I was expecting the same build quality in my 15" unit.

CarrerCrytharis · #7 Post by **CarrerCrytharis** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:57 am

efrant wrote:Yeah, I saw that. However, that's not quite what I'm talking about. I should have been more clear n my post. Let's try again: when the lid is closed, it seems like the latch on the left hand side does not hold the lid at the same level as on the rght hand side. It is hardly noticeable visually, but if you push down slightly on the left hand corner, it moves down abit and makes a loud creak. The same does not happen when you push down or the right hand corner. There is seems that the latch is holding the lid down to the correct level. (I know this all my sound a bit nitpicky, but I've seen a few T60's before and they didn't seem to have this defect (mind you, they were all 14" units), so I guess I was expecting the same build quality in my 15" unit.

I have the exact same problem, although I think it might be a problem with the left side hinge on mine.

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gator wrote: 3. The battery does NOT wiggle one bit (6 cell AND 9 cell) in the new one and it does not say it if SANYO or PANASONIC etc - it says Lenovo!! (My battery has a sanyo label on it) - has Lenovo started making batteries

My 9-cell Sanyo battery just got recalled -- maybe the replacement won't wiggle! I'll let you know when I get it.

astro · #8 Post by **astro** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:30 pm

I have a April '06 2007-63U (as per my sig) and work just gave me a new 1951-XXX.

I'll compare my differences with yours:

gator wrote:1. The new machine is a rock, as always. The keyboard seems to be like the old NMB ones (which surprised me a lot), with a fantastic response and great travel almost close to my X31 keyboard. My machine also has a supposedly NMB keyboard, but after seen the new one, I have my doubts Seriously, the new keyborad is excellent (and I am picky).

Check. My old keyboard was a Chicony. The new one is NMB. They are about the same in terms of key resistance, but the Chic is very noisy -- you can type almost silently with the NMB. All the keys/buttons (including the trackpoint buttons) feel much more solid than the Chic.

gator wrote:2. Though this is a minor point, I'll jot this down. Hje latch on the lid is back to the defualt black color compared to the silver on mine. It looks very neat. (Thanks for listening, Lenovo!)

Check. Though I kinda liked the grey latch. Also, the retro black latch is also a lot harder to "click" into the locked position. I don't like this because it feels like the extra effort means my fingernails will scratch off the paint around the latch.

gator wrote:3. The battery does NOT wiggle one bit (6 cell AND 9 cell) in the new one and it does not say it if SANYO or PANASONIC etc - it says Lenovo!! (My battery has a sanyo label on it) - has Lenovo started making batteries

Check. My old Panasonic 6c needed some tape to make it solid. The new 9-cell Sanyo is a perfect fit.

gator wrote:4. The keyboard bezel is slightly beefier(and very, very solid) near the hinges and looks lightly different - infact, in comparison, mine feels slightly flimsy now in comparison

Not sure what you mean by this? They both feel the same to me. Though the annoying "click" has gone when you push down on the left edge of the palmrest above the expansion slot.

gator wrote:5. The palmrest has the same issues fixing it - it is impossible to put it right at the first go. I wish it were easier like in the 14" models.

I've never had a problem with the palmrest fitment. The new one is the same.

gator wrote:6. The power and the volume buttons DO NOT feel flimsy or cheap - beleive me, the old school power button feel is back. But I really wish they bought back the earlier design for these, they were much much better.

Agree, kinda. These buttons on the NMB keyboard feel *slightly* better. Not like the trackpoint buttons which are HEAPS better.

gator wrote:7. The screen is gorgeous, as always. No grains, no difference from my BOE HYDIS panel (the new one is a samsung). Colours look just the same, I cannot tell them apart at all whatever I do. After seeing some complaints about sparkly display, I was expecting some difference, but the screen is gorgeous.

The new screen is a TMD 14.1 SXGA+ and I don't like it. It is waaay too bluish compared to my Samsung. I have fiddled with the TMD a bit to try and make it redder/less blue without much success. This makes the TMD a little brighter, but after looking at the Samsung for a while, switching to the TMD makes my eyes hurt a little.

Okay, time for some of my own:
8. There is "lenovo" badging on the status lights area next to the "T60" badging.

9. The new hard drive is a lot noisier. It is a 7200RPM Hitachi, the old one has a 5400RPM Fujitsu. I guess that is to be expected from a slower drive, though in practice I haven't noticed the speed difference.

10. The Bombshell: after much deliberation, I have decided that the new Thinkpad is NOT BLACK.

It just isn't, compared to the old one. I don't know if it's something to do with the stipple texture on the body (which seems the same as my old one), but I am convinced that the new one is not black, it is dark, dark, dark grey. This 'greyness' is not isolated to the body, either: I actually became convinced when I swapped the new keyboard into my old Thinkpad and vice versa. The new keyboard is noticeably grey in my old Thinkpad. What's funny is that the function keys are darker than the other keys, so they seem black and the main keys are grey, the opposite of the keyboard on the old T4x!

aweingrad · #9 Post by **aweingrad** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:19 pm

I'm glad to hear that the samsung screen on your T60 is gorgeous. The Toshiba screen on my previous T60 (O6/06) was gorgeous also, beautiful colors, white whites, crystal clear.

But the samsung widescreen on my brand new T60P (02/07) is not gorgeous and quite washed out appearing.

To Lenovo's credit they are taking this machine back to bench test it against their other oem screens and see if there is a systemic issue with this choice of oem WS.

Are there any other widescreen T60p owners who can comment on their samsung vs LG screens?

DavidNY · #10 Post by **DavidNY** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:48 am

astro wrote:9. The new hard drive is a lot noisier. It is a 7200RPM Hitachi, the old one has a 5400RPM Fujitsu. I guess that is to be expected from a slower drive, though in practice I haven't noticed the speed difference.

You can try the Hitachi "feature tool" to reduce the noise from your drive.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/d ... eatureTool