will my TP run a Dell 2405FPW monitor?

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skanky · #1 Post by **skanky** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:49 pm

i have a 2007-63G T60 running a 2001FP (20" 1600x1200 screen) via DVI and was thinking of upgrading to a 2405FPW (24" 1920x1200 wide) for widescreen goodness.

are there any problems running this screen with my laptop? im currently using XP with cat7.2's but will be putting vista back on with cat7.2's.

any way of running a 2405FPW as a main screen with the 2001FP as a extended desktop?

stephenaron · #2 Post by **stephenaron** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:58 pm

I didnt know you could install CC 7.2 with Vista. Link?

seeplus · #3 Post by **seeplus** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:47 am

You should be able to run the 24" with no problems.

To run two DVI's you need the Advanced dock w/ an extra video card, though I think you could also just run one LCD from a VGA port..

skanky · #4 Post by **skanky** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:55 pm

stephenaron wrote:I didnt know you could install CC 7.2 with Vista. Link?

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vist ... sta32.html

skanky · #5 Post by **skanky** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:59 pm

seeplus wrote:To run two DVI's you need the Advanced dock w/ an extra video card, though I think you could also just run one LCD from a VGA port..

yep thats possible, im currently running a 2001FP via DVI and at the same time VGA has a samsung 40" lcd connected.

[censored] dont fancy getting the advanced dock when the mini dock does what i want, ah well i'll have to live with one being connected via VGA then.

#6 Post by **tomh009** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:17 pm

Just a small caveat here: unlike the 2001FP S-IPS panel, the 2405FPW uses a Samsung PVA panel, and not even an S-PVA one. So the display quality may not be up to par with your 2001FP.

NorthernLights · #7 Post by **NorthernLights** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:54 pm

tomh009 wrote:Just a small caveat here: unlike the 2001FP S-IPS panel, the 2405FPW uses a Samsung PVA panel, and not even an S-PVA one. So the display quality may not be up to par with your 2001FP.

What kind of display does the 3007WFP and the 2407WFP ?

Which one would you choose between this 2? (Image quality).

Will be conected to a t60p with advanced mini dock.

Best Regards.

#8 Post by **tomh009** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:01 pm

2407FPW is a Samsung S-PVA panel, which is at least a little better -- but the 3007FPW is a real LG.Philips S-IPS panel, which for sure should provide the best-quality display.

NorthernLights · #9 Post by **NorthernLights** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:31 am

tomh009 wrote:2407FPW is a Samsung S-PVA panel, which is at least a little better -- but the 3007FPW is a real LG.Philips S-IPS panel, which for sure should provide the best-quality display.

With the 3007FPW I cannot run it with a single DVI, can I?

Then I would need to buy the advanced dock and a pci with 2 DVI.

Is there any other one with a very good panel that can run from 1 DVI?

Best Regards and Thanks.

skanky · #10 Post by **skanky** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:17 am

ended up getting a 2407wfp instead of he 2405

there isnt any weird issue running the desktop at 1920x1200 is there? using mobility cat7.2's.

i rememeber for my t42, i couldnt run 1600x1200 via dvi using the ibm drivers, i had to mod the standard ati drivers to allow me to do this.

kf_man · #11 Post by **kf_man** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:31 am

I had no problems running my 20" 2001FP at 1600x1200 using the Lenovo drivers on XP, the standard Windows drivers on Vista, or the Cat 7.2 Mobility drivers on Vista.

EDIT: I used DVI, of course...VGA looks like crap at high resolutions!

#12 Post by **tomh009** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:52 am

kf_man, I'm running a 2001FP (at 1600x1200) using my X31's VGA output, and I will claim that it does not look like crap. Yes, if you run some moire test patterns, they are less than perfect, but in normal use, the display is excellent in my eyes. Either my X31 produces better video than your ThinkPad, my cable is better than yours, or I have gone blind ...

NorthernLights, take a look at this URL to see which monitors use S-IPS, PVA, S-PVA or (ugh) TN:
http://www.cnblogs.com/hesicong/archive ... 81645.aspx

It won't show you the DVI inputs, though, so you'll need to check the manufacturer web sites for that.

kf_man · #13 Post by **kf_man** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:36 am

tomh009 wrote:kf_man, I'm running a 2001FP (at 1600x1200) using my X31's VGA output, and I will claim that it does not look like crap. Yes, if you run some moire test patterns, they are less than perfect, but in normal use, the display is excellent in my eyes. Either my X31 produces better video than your ThinkPad, my cable is better than yours, or I have gone blind ...

I didn't mean to offend anyone with that comment, but I have used my monitor on both my desktop and two of my laptops using VGA from time to time and it just doesn't look as sharp. Maybe it's me (I am pretty sensitive to displays), but the text was just blurry enough to annoy me. When I use DVI on either my ThinkPad or Desktop with it, it's crystal clear. I can also confirm similar behavior with a different 2001FP at work connected via VGA and other co-workers mentioned the same thing!

As far as using it for extended desktop, I'm sure that would work just fine since you don't spend as much time looking at the second display as you do the first.

And just to clarify, there hasn't been any mention in my reading about resolution issues over DVI with T60s. I've seen at least a couple of people using the 240xFP monitors with no trouble regardless of what drivers are used. I did notice that Presentation manager can be annoying in XP and wouldn't let me choose the resolution of our HDTV that I was trying to run via VGA (native of 1360x768) in Presentation manager. When I ignored presentation manager and just used the Windows display properties, all was well.

#14 Post by **tomh009** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:06 am

I use my 2001FP as the primary display with an Ultranav keyboard; the built-in panel is turned off when I use the external display. And I can assure you that I see no blurriness on my 2001FP.

Now, one other possible variation is the type of 2001FP -- I have the early version with the LG.Philips LM201U04 S-IPS panel. Maybe your version has lower-quality VGA input as Dell did use three different panel types (two S-IPS and one S-PVA) in this monitor.

kf_man · #15 Post by **kf_man** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:14 pm

tomh009 wrote:I use my 2001FP as the primary display with an Ultranav keyboard; the built-in panel is turned off when I use the external display. And I can assure you that I see no blurriness on my 2001FP.

Now, one other possible variation is the type of 2001FP -- I have the early version with the LG.Philips LM201U04 S-IPS panel. Maybe your version has lower-quality VGA input as Dell did use three different panel types (two S-IPS and one S-PVA) in this monitor.

Like I said, I'm not trying to debate you, I'm just reporting what I saw. In any event, to get back on topic, I'm sure the 2407FPW will work just fine with DVI output. Given the same vertical pixel-height, I think they would work wonderfully in a dual monitor setup. I'm assuming the physical height of the display would be about the same as well.

NorthernLights · #16 Post by **NorthernLights** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:11 pm

tomh009 wrote: NorthernLights, take a look at this URL to see which monitors use S-IPS, PVA, S-PVA or (ugh) TN:
http://www.cnblogs.com/hesicong/archive ... 81645.aspx

It won't show you the DVI inputs, though, so you'll need to check the manufacturer web sites for that.

Thanks you for the reply.

What are the differences in quality between the:

23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02)
24 inch 6 ms (g2g) PVA (SAMSUNG LTM240M2)
and with this one:
30 inch 11 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300W01)

As far as I can see PVA has 6 ms and 1000:1 and 450 cd/m² vs. S-IPS has 16 ms and 700:1 and 400 cd/m². This seems to say that PVA is better in this one than S-IPS but I can be wrong.

Best Regards.

#17 Post by **tomh009** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:23 pm

PVA has very high contrast but IPS wins on the viewing angles and accuracy of colour reproduction. Wikipedia has a good overview of the panel technologies here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

NorthernLights · #18 Post by **NorthernLights** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:30 pm

tomh009 wrote:PVA has very high contrast but IPS wins on the viewing angles and accuracy of colour reproduction. Wikipedia has a good overview of the panel technologies here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

Thanks you. !!!!

What will be your choice between this 2:

Apple Cinema Display 23 M9178 = 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel

Dell 2407WFP (widescreen) = 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) PVA (SAMSUNG LTM240M2) panel.

Best Regards.

#19 Post by **tomh009** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:41 pm

Depends on what your main goal is. For any graphics use, absolutely the Apple. For gaming, maybe the Dell (higher speed and larger size). Without gaming, I would still go with the Apple.

Of course I have no idea on the price difference -- the Apple is surely more expensive, I expect.

NorthernLights · #20 Post by **NorthernLights** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:46 pm

I never use the pc for gaming. I use it for work (INTERNET, WORD, EXCEL, REMOTE DESKTOPS, etc...) and sometimes a film.

I has think in the 30' dell but don't want the mess of another video card.

Best Regards and Thanks.

#21 Post by **tomh009** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:55 pm

I think the Apple should be very nice for you. The only downside for you would be that the colour won't match your T60.

NorthernLights · #22 Post by **NorthernLights** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:19 am

tomh009 wrote:I think the Apple should be very nice for you. The only downside for you would be that the colour won't match your T60.

jajajajajaja I don't mind the colour !!!!

I would like somethink bigger but 23' should be enough.

Best Regards

NorthernLights · #23 Post by **NorthernLights** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:44 pm

Here ara some spanish prizes:

HP 23 1920*1200 1093€ L2335 = 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02)

Apple 23 1920*1200 1099€ M9178 = 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02)

Dell 24 1920*1200 899€ 2407WFP = 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) PVA (SAMSUNG LTM240M2)

Dell 30 2560*1600 1176€ 3007WFP = 30 inch 11 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300W01)

#24 Post by **tomh009** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:25 pm

So the HP and the Apple are the same panel and almost identical price -- at that point you can decide on the basis of just the warranty and aesthetics!

NorthernLights · #25 Post by **NorthernLights** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:04 pm

I have been reading a lot on some Spanish forums and on the 23'/24' range they all suggest:

Eizo S2411W-BK
and
HP LP2465

They say that the Apple has to much blurring and too much blacklight. Also here in Spain it arrives lot of apple units with dead pixels and the quality contol is very bad. The apple also don't have OSD and no control of aspect ratio.

About the Dell, the colour representation is very bad, and has some banding. (also in 02 revision)

The say that the HP has a S-PVA panel with good view angles, and a similar colour representatios as the S-IPS.

I newer thought it can be so dificult to choose a monitor.

Best Regards.

#26 Post by **tomh009** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:25 pm

Your best bet would be to find a store that has them on display -- take your ThinkPad along and plug it in to see whether you are happy with it.

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