MacBook Pro v/s a T4x p / T6x p with SXGA+ / UXGA
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crashnburn
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MacBook Pro v/s a T4x p / T6x p with SXGA+ / UXGA
What would you prefer / buy / how would you compare?
- A macbook pro that can run Win /OS-X / Linux
v/s
- A T-series with SXGA+ or UXGA that can run Win/Linux /(maybe OS-X)
How would you compare the two? Thoughts & comments would be welcome
- A macbook pro that can run Win /OS-X / Linux
v/s
- A T-series with SXGA+ or UXGA that can run Win/Linux /(maybe OS-X)
How would you compare the two? Thoughts & comments would be welcome
T61 8892-02U: 14.1"SXGA+/2.2C2D/4G/XP|Adv Mini Dock|30" Gateway XHD3000 WQXGA via Dual-link DVI
X61T 7767-96U: 12.1"SXGA+/1.6C2D/3G/Vista|Ultrabase
W510 4319-2PU: 15.6"FHD/i7-720QM/4G/Win7Pro64 (for dad)
T43 1875-DLU: 14.1"XGA/1.7PM-740/1G/XP (Old)
X61T 7767-96U: 12.1"SXGA+/1.6C2D/3G/Vista|Ultrabase
W510 4319-2PU: 15.6"FHD/i7-720QM/4G/Win7Pro64 (for dad)
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pianowizard
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For me, having a high display resolution is extremely important, and for that reason alone, I would not buy a Macbook Pro. The 15" model only has 1400x900 (WXGA+), and the 17" model only has 1680x1050 (WSXGA+).
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Totally depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to run OS X (which I personally like), the macbook pro is the best option.
As pianowizard mentioned, you will get a higher screen resolution on a T series. Higher also means smaller fonts which can be less comfortable but on the other hand more workspace. That choice also depends somewhat on the use of an external monitor at the workplace or not.
Still about the screen, as far as I know you can't get a T series with a glossy screen but you can get such a macbook pro.
When talking about the hardware (not just the specs), the T series has some advantages imo. You have the trackpoint (2-finger-scroll on mac is nice but I like the trackpoint better), "dedicated" placement of home/end/insert/del/pageup/pagedown, which are on the mbp function keys on the arrow keys (fn+arrow or cmd+arrow sometimes).
Depending on your use you have also the ultrabay which might be handy. Not so important maybe but I personally like the status leds which show wireless/harddrive/... activity on a thinkpad.
If I were you and I had to choose, the main question would be which OS I want. I would go for a macbook pro in case of OS X and a thinkpad for windows or linux.
(my points: best os: macbook pro, best hardware: thinkpad)
As pianowizard mentioned, you will get a higher screen resolution on a T series. Higher also means smaller fonts which can be less comfortable but on the other hand more workspace. That choice also depends somewhat on the use of an external monitor at the workplace or not.
Still about the screen, as far as I know you can't get a T series with a glossy screen but you can get such a macbook pro.
When talking about the hardware (not just the specs), the T series has some advantages imo. You have the trackpoint (2-finger-scroll on mac is nice but I like the trackpoint better), "dedicated" placement of home/end/insert/del/pageup/pagedown, which are on the mbp function keys on the arrow keys (fn+arrow or cmd+arrow sometimes).
Depending on your use you have also the ultrabay which might be handy. Not so important maybe but I personally like the status leds which show wireless/harddrive/... activity on a thinkpad.
If I were you and I had to choose, the main question would be which OS I want. I would go for a macbook pro in case of OS X and a thinkpad for windows or linux.
(my points: best os: macbook pro, best hardware: thinkpad)
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Well, I currently own a Macbook Pro 15,4" model.
I'm selling it to get a 14,1" (1400x1050) T60, I like that screen alot better. However, I am primarily selling it because the Apple build quality wasn't all that it is cracked up to be.
Tons of stuff has been wrong with it over the past six months, and now I'm getting rid of it.
I really liked OS X though, but won't be installing it on the Thinkpad.
I'm selling it to get a 14,1" (1400x1050) T60, I like that screen alot better. However, I am primarily selling it because the Apple build quality wasn't all that it is cracked up to be.
Tons of stuff has been wrong with it over the past six months, and now I'm getting rid of it.
I really liked OS X though, but won't be installing it on the Thinkpad.
IBM T60
14,1" (1400x1050), 1,83GHz Core Duo, 64MB X1300
1GB RAM, 100GB 7200 HDD, DVD burner
14,1" (1400x1050), 1,83GHz Core Duo, 64MB X1300
1GB RAM, 100GB 7200 HDD, DVD burner
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crashnburn
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I'm heading for the third repair of my MBP 15" in not even 9 Months, so for me the choice after more than 5 years with Apple stuff is clear: NO MORE APPLE!
The quality (especially from the first gen MBPs) is worse than poor. The second generation shoud be fine as far as I heard, but I'm not in a mood for beta testing any more.
I'm going for a thinkpad now.
The quality (especially from the first gen MBPs) is worse than poor. The second generation shoud be fine as far as I heard, but I'm not in a mood for beta testing any more.
I'm going for a thinkpad now.
All,
I have been following the Mac with Windows vs a IBM PC for some time, and I fell I can offer my views as I have expericened at first hand the mac vs PC debate.
After owning a Sony Vaio for 6 years and being very happy with it, it started to get cranky and the hard disk was very noisy. Not wanting to a risk a rebuild and leaving myself without a PC (I'm working abroad) I decided to look around for options. I had kept looking at Macs, and was persuded by the perceived quality and the build quality. Once the Intel Macs were able to boot into Windows XP, I was convinced and purchased a black Core 2 Duo Macbook with 2GB Ram and had XP loaded using bootcamp.
At first all was well, loved the quality of the webcam (Skype sessions back home were excellent, but hated the lack of right mosue click, the lack of dedicated delete / backspace keys (only one or the other) and frankly hated the feel of the keyboard, which I never got used to.
Once I had it, it developed a fault where if powered down, on power up the backlight would be off. Try navigating to the control panel without the backilight. After numerous power resets and hardware resets it may start working again, but after a power down, the whole thing would start again. After it let me down on 3 Asia and UK trips, I cried enough, and whilst in UK, brought a Z61T.
What a difference! Excellent keyboard, card reader, reasonable webcam, superb build quality. I love this machine.
In fact I love it so much, I went out and brought a X60 as well for travelling! (Just wish it had a webcam built in)
SO, in summary I realise now I am a Windows guy, and the Mac maybe a great OSX machine, but in my opinion it's a lousy PC.
(PS - rebuilt the Sony, which is now great again, so I could have avoided the whole pain! - But very happy to be a Thinkpad convert)
I have been following the Mac with Windows vs a IBM PC for some time, and I fell I can offer my views as I have expericened at first hand the mac vs PC debate.
After owning a Sony Vaio for 6 years and being very happy with it, it started to get cranky and the hard disk was very noisy. Not wanting to a risk a rebuild and leaving myself without a PC (I'm working abroad) I decided to look around for options. I had kept looking at Macs, and was persuded by the perceived quality and the build quality. Once the Intel Macs were able to boot into Windows XP, I was convinced and purchased a black Core 2 Duo Macbook with 2GB Ram and had XP loaded using bootcamp.
At first all was well, loved the quality of the webcam (Skype sessions back home were excellent, but hated the lack of right mosue click, the lack of dedicated delete / backspace keys (only one or the other) and frankly hated the feel of the keyboard, which I never got used to.
Once I had it, it developed a fault where if powered down, on power up the backlight would be off. Try navigating to the control panel without the backilight. After numerous power resets and hardware resets it may start working again, but after a power down, the whole thing would start again. After it let me down on 3 Asia and UK trips, I cried enough, and whilst in UK, brought a Z61T.
What a difference! Excellent keyboard, card reader, reasonable webcam, superb build quality. I love this machine.
In fact I love it so much, I went out and brought a X60 as well for travelling! (Just wish it had a webcam built in)
SO, in summary I realise now I am a Windows guy, and the Mac maybe a great OSX machine, but in my opinion it's a lousy PC.
(PS - rebuilt the Sony, which is now great again, so I could have avoided the whole pain! - But very happy to be a Thinkpad convert)
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