T60p w/ IPS UXGA on Lenovo Outlet!

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Troels · #121 Post by **Troels** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:40 pm

Does anyone know where to get the picture of the dogs in
http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/10872.jpg
?

I can do some shots of a 15" UXGA idtech... please ignore the few dark pressure marks (wasn't even my fault)

WPWoodJr · #122 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:50 pm

okashira wrote: Please do. I'l remind you... Get some nice fullscreen wallpapers with plenty of contrast and color. I (we) would appreciate it.

I don't know if this comparison will help. The T42p is a 2378-EZU with SN of 99-HB309, could someone look up which screen that is?

I just compared them side-by-side, the T60p LG SXGA+ has better, more saturated, brighter colors. The LG SXGA+ is slightly brighter, even after losing some brightness (in the blue mostly - down from 172cd/m2 to 147 cd/m2) since I got it in January - another story and one that gives me great angst! The T42p screen is 132 cd/m2 which is not too much lower because the brightness we see is in a logarithmic relationship to cd/m2 not linear.

The LG has a bit more "shimmer" than the UXGA screen, which some people really don't like but doesn't particularly bother me.

I profiled the T42p UXGA screen with Monaco Optix Pro, with that profile applied it matches the LG screen for good color when viewing images with a color-managed application like ACDSee Pro or Lightroom or Photoshop. However, for normal work, games, and videos, which are not color managed, the LG has superior color.

Of course the UXGA screen has more resolution. Both have great viewing angles.

WPWoodJr · #123 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:52 pm

2 Bricks Short wrote:Dangit! After moving my ship date back two days to the 20th, they ship today like they were supposed to. I need a good laptop bad and now I have no idea what to do with the one that is coming.

This is still going to be a great laptop, don't worry. The Flexview technology is way better than most laptop screens, and its UXGA.

WPWoodJr · #124 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:55 pm

Troels wrote:Does anyone know where to get the picture of the dogs in
http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/10872.jpg
?

I can do some shots of a 15" UXGA idtech... please ignore the few dark pressure marks (wasn't even my fault)

That's a terrible image for judging color. Much better to use the "Autumn" and "Bliss" scenes from Windows desktop.

Troels · #125 Post by **Troels** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:57 pm

Yeah, i thought so too... i'll try with the windows autumn and take some shots... It'll take 10 mins or so... But i have nothing to compare it to at present like you do, so i'm only doing it for fun.

Troels · #126 Post by **Troels** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:18 pm

http://kom.aau.dk/~oesteraa/Idtech/

Hope that it shows the index of the dir with clickable URLs.

But please note that this LCD is sorta damaged because some idiot mailed it to me wrapped in thick paper.
(i.e. i have seen better pics) .. also, it ought to be a little more yellow than it turned out.

I believe the BOE-Hydis is better than this...

WPWoodJr · #127 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:27 pm

Troels wrote:http://kom.aau.dk/~oesteraa/Idtech/
(i.e. i have seen better pics) .. also, it ought to be a little more yellow than it turned out.

Yeah, you have to take white balance into account. Who knows what white balance you camera picked. The best way to do this is put the two screens side by side for identical conditions.

pianowizard · #128 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:30 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:This is still going to be a great laptop, don't worry. The Flexview technology is way better than most laptop screens, and its UXGA.

Exactly. Don't worry too much, 2 Bricks Short.

okashira · #129 Post by **okashira** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:04 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:
okashira wrote: Please do. I'l remind you... Get some nice fullscreen wallpapers with plenty of contrast and color. I (we) would appreciate it.
I don't know if this comparison will help. The T42p is a 2378-EZU with SN of 99-HB309, could someone look up which screen that is?

I just compared them side-by-side, the T60p LG SXGA+ has better, more saturated, brighter colors. The LG SXGA+ is slightly brighter, even after losing some brightness (in the blue mostly - down from 172cd/m2 to 147 cd/m2) since I got it in January - another story and one that gives me great angst! The T42p screen is 132 cd/m2 which is not too much lower because the brightness we see is in a logarithmic relationship to cd/m2 not linear.

The LG has a bit more "shimmer" than the UXGA screen, which some people really don't like but doesn't particularly bother me.

I profiled the T42p UXGA screen with Monaco Optix Pro, with that profile applied it matches the LG screen for good color when viewing images with a color-managed application like ACDSee Pro or Lightroom or Photoshop. However, for normal work, games, and videos, which are not color managed, the LG has superior color.

Of course the UXGA screen has more resolution. Both have great viewing angles.

Thanks for your comparisons. How about respnose time? How is the IDTECH on smudging/ghosting compared to your LG?

Bing0 · #130 Post by **Bing0** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:22 pm

WPWoodJr wrote: I'm sympathetic that you may not get the screen you hoped for, but I can't fault Lenovo either since they are sending an UXGA Flexview, as advertised. They just sourced from a different vendor, which is normal practice.

Yes Lenovo is within their rights to send me any EQUIVALENT display they like. If this one is equivalent to the other two options,
I will gladly stand corrected....

WPWoodJr · #131 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:31 pm

okashira wrote:Thanks for your comparisons. How about respnose time? How is the IDTECH on smudging/ghosting compared to your LG?

I don't know. Can anyone find out what display is in the T42p I have? The T42p is a 2378-EZU with SN of 99-HB309.

darrenf · #132 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:38 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Can anyone find out what display is in the T42p I have? The T42p is a 2378-EZU with SN of 99-HB309.

"92P6672 92P6753 15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU"

I don't know what model that is. It is UXGA.

-darren

pianowizard · #133 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:55 pm

darrenf wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote:Can anyone find out what display is in the T42p I have? The T42p is a 2378-EZU with SN of 99-HB309.
"92P6672 92P6753 15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU"

That's an ID Tech display. I found out by searching for "92P6753" on Lenovo.com.

2 Bricks Short · #134 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:35 am

My computer has begun to make it's way from China. I know from what has been posted here that the IDtech screen may not be a bitter disappointment but... Oh well, I have a 21' Samsung widescreen on the way anyway

I can't say that I am glad that I did this. I am finding out that even once I get past the screen, getting a stick of memory in this thing may not be the easiest task, and for those of us who would rather not do the processor upgrade ourselves, finding someone to do it for us may not be so easy either.

WarrenInDe · #135 Post by **WarrenInDe** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:18 am

2 Bricks Short

I think you took my laptop. The last I check last night it was scheduled to ship today. I checked this morning and it was pushed back until 4/23.

Didn't your date get moved up?

Did I miss something, is there an issue with adding another stick of memory?

I was also looking to swap the processor. Hopefully when the Quads come out the C2D will come down more.

I had originally ordered and cancelled a t60p ws, I still think I will be happier with the better (than wsxga+) display and the overall narrower machine.

Warren

2 Bricks Short · #136 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:35 am

WarrenInDe wrote:2 Bricks Short

I think you took my laptop. The last I check last night it was scheduled to ship today. I checked this morning and it was pushed back until 4/23.

Didn't your date get moved up?

Did I miss something, is there an issue with adding another stick of memory?

I was also looking to swap the processor. Hopefully when the Quads come out the C2D will come down more.

I had originally ordered and cancelled a t60p ws, I still think I will be happier with the better (than wsxga+) display and the overall narrower machine.

Warren

When I ordered my computer, they gave me a 4/16 ship date. They moved it back to 4/18. On 4/18 they moved it back to 4/20 and then shipped it. If I were you I would look for that ship notification to come today.

I thought I read about some minor problems with the memory upgrade. Problems with the way things fit when they went back together.

I had hoped to upgrade my processor when Santa Rosa (or is it Santa Cruz, or Santa Monica, or Santa Fontana) comes out next month. My problem is that I do not want to do it myself. I would like to take the memory stick and the processor in to someone and spare myself the grief of installing either.

pianowizard · #137 Post by **pianowizard** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:15 am

2 Bricks Short wrote:I thought I read about some minor problems with the memory upgrade. Problems with the way things fit when they went back together.

You can find detailed instructions for how to do this in the Hardware Maintenance Manual.

Yes, I remember someone on this forum having difficulty putting the palmrest back after adding a RAM stick. But that's just one person. There will always be a few people who have certain problems (like adding a RAM module to a T60p), or a few people who can't tolerate any screen other than the absolute best one in the world. That doesn't mean you'll also experience these problems. So, try not to worry too much. The 2623DDU should be an excellent machine for most people.

WPWoodJr · #138 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:21 am

pianowizard wrote:
darrenf wrote: "92P6672 92P6753 15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU"
That's an ID Tech display. I found out by searching for "92P6753" on Lenovo.com.

So does anyone know, would that be the same IDTech display that will be shipping on these new machines?

Ragtopgeek · #139 Post by **Ragtopgeek** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:39 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:This is still going to be a great laptop, don't worry. The Flexview technology is way better than most laptop screens, and its UXGA.

Having the same two laptops as WPWoodJr, I concur 100%. The IDTech FV screen is still awesome, and the only reason it lost some of its luster (pun intended) is only due to the admittedly exquisite color of the LG SXGA+. WPWoodJr's later comparison between the two is a very accurate assessment. Prior to the SG on my T60, I thought the color on my IDTech was extremely good (it's all relative). The IDTech may even have slightly better viewing angles, at least for bland Cygwin/XTerm windows on the screen (their colors remain precisely the same across the entire screen while the same windows on the SXGA+ change just ever so slightly from more extreme angles--and I mean slight because you wouldn't notice it if you weren't looking for it).

If you're a software developer like myself and stare at static text on simple Cygwin/XTerm windows, or even a IDE like Eclipse or MS Visual Studio, then the higher resolution of the IDTech is "better" than the LG. And the text is naturally crisper and more precise as well.

If you're into multi-media stuff where accurate color rendering is critical, then the SG is definitely the better choice.

R.

WPWoodJr · #140 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:23 pm

Now that we've compared the LG SXGA+ to the IDTech, can anyone do a comparison of the IDTech to the Boe-Hydis?

okashira · #141 Post by **okashira** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:26 pm

mine's shipped. no s.n. yet. I guess I will order a BOE screen from ebay... the question is... refurb or new? I should be able to do a comparison between BOE and IDTECH UXGA... later...

sinden · #142 Post by **sinden** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:21 am

Mine shipped on the 18th, has the same (supposedly) IDTech screen. I got a deal on the R50p (same FlexView screen I think) from a friend so I'm thinking about selling the one I ordered; I posted it in the marketplace already. I work mainly w/ photos so I don't think this will be a huge upgrade from the used notebook I just bought.

WPWoodJr · #143 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:40 am

sinden wrote:Mine shipped on the 18th, has the same (supposedly) IDTech screen. I got a deal on the R50p (same FlexView screen I think) from a friend so I'm thinking about selling the one I ordered; I posted it in the marketplace already. I work mainly w/ photos so I don't think this will be a huge upgrade from the used notebook I just bought.

We have the R50p at work, the screen is not as good as the T42p - not as bright. See this comparison of screens: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=34530

Also, the R50p is slower and older.

sinden · #144 Post by **sinden** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:58 am

WPWoodJr wrote:Also, the R50p is slower and older.

All things relative, I have a work C2D 2.0 and a personal Banias 1.7 and see no appreciable differences for my use. AFAIK, this the the same 15 inch UXGA panel as the T42p despite whatever conclusions your independent research arrived at (FRU 92P6683). Plus I'm selling it for a good deal, are you trying to convince me to keep it

?

WPWoodJr · #145 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:07 am

sinden wrote:All things relative, I have a work C2D 2.0 and a personal Banias 1.7 and see no appreciable differences for my use. AFAIK, this the the same 15 inch UXGA panel as the T42p despite whatever conclusions your independent research arrived at (FRU 92P6683). Plus I'm selling it for a good deal, are you trying to convince me to keep it ?

My T42p screen is a "92P6672 92P6753 15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU"

pianowizard · #146 Post by **pianowizard** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:07 am

sinden, another good thing about the R50p is you can replace the UXGA LCD with a QXGA (2048×1536) one.

Bing0 · #147 Post by **Bing0** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:13 am

pianowizard wrote:sinden, another good thing about the R50p is you can replace the UXGA LCD with a QXGA (2048×1536) one.

I was unaware that there was a notebook display with resolution that high.
I would be interested to see how the desktop looks in that case and how the graphics adapter performs when it has to push that much data to a screen with that high a resolution.

WPWoodJr · #148 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:14 am

pianowizard wrote:sinden, another good thing about the R50p is you can replace the UXGA LCD with a QXGA (2048×1536) one.

QXGA laptop screen? Where?

pianowizard · #149 Post by **pianowizard** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:18 am

Bing0 wrote:I had no idea that there was a display with resolution that high.

More info in this thread. I learned about the R50p's QXGA in that thread.

A 15.0" QXGA display has 170.7 dots per inch. By contrast, the highest-DPI laptop display I've used is 15.4" WUXGA @ 147 DPI. I don't think I can tolerate 170.7 DPI!

brrmax · #150 Post by **brrmax** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:59 am

Ragtopgeek, So you prefer the 4:3 vs 16:10 aspect ratio for coding? I am looking for a laptop and will be coding in Eclipse using the LCD at times. Normally, it will be attached to an external monitor, but will definitely use it standalone.

I have been looking for quite awhile and, like many others, have been wondering about Santa Rosa since it is almost here now (supposedly May 9th). I may wait now for 2 reasons: see exactly what the next gen Thinkpads are all about and see if laptops built on the previous gen mobile platform come down in price.

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