T60p w/ IPS UXGA on Lenovo Outlet!

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#211 Post by **Johan** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:03 am

- just stumbled over a review of the 2623DDU with good images of the screen (compared to a Dell Latitude D610): http://lenovoreview.com/2007/01/08/thin ... 0p-review/

2 Bricks Short · #212 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:20 am

okashira wrote:yeah, make sure to use uninstall. or, even better - do a clean install and then just install the progs you want.

Clean install? I forgot about that task. Since mine is probably close enough for me to find myself now, I should maybe give this some thought.

DALLAS/FT. WORTH A/P,
TX, US

04/25/2007 5:35 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN

WarrenInDe · #213 Post by **WarrenInDe** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:08 am

Does 'Import Scan' mean it's cleared customs or just getting there?

LOUISVILLE,
KY, US 04/25/2007 2:30 A.M. IMPORT SCAN
LOUISVILLE,
KY, US 04/24/2007 4:17 P.M. THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL

Warren

WPWoodJr · #214 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:49 am

Johan wrote:- just stumbled over a review of the 2623DDU with good images of the screen (compared to a Dell Latitude D610): http://lenovoreview.com/2007/01/08/thin ... 0p-review/

It probable that the screen described in that review is the Boe-Hydis, not the IDTech which is shipping with these new machines.

Can anyone compare the IDTech display to the Boe-Hydis?

ahaile · #215 Post by **ahaile** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:48 am

WarrenInDe wrote:Does 'Import Scan' mean it's cleared customs or just getting there?

It just means it's still in Customs. Mine was 'Import Scanned' 6 times before being cleared.

Out for delivery today!

sinden · #216 Post by **sinden** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:58 pm

Received mine Monday... doesn't look like they're for sale anymore.

Sleep Machine · #217 Post by **Sleep Machine** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:07 pm

Received mine today, Wednesday, April 25. Big step up from A31p. Long time coming. I want to thank the person in Lenovo who found these machines sitting on a pallet somewhere. Nice things do come from big companies sometimes.

DenTP4rm · #218 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:20 pm

Hey Sinden,
I sent you a message via PM. Check your inbox.
DenTP4rm

evforme · #219 Post by **evforme** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:25 pm

Wow, I just found out that there are supposedly no more left. UPS lost my package. Looks like I'm not getting mine after all.

Did anyone here happen to buy multiple units to sell?

blantant · #220 Post by **blantant** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:27 pm

hi guys. you've all been very helpful.
just got my t60 from the lenovo outlet, and got the same serial numbers (42T0344 42T0345) for the monitor.

this is just dissapointing that we waited so long (customs) and payed so much, just to be duped collectively like this.

evforme · #221 Post by **evforme** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:34 pm

pianowizard wrote:78 units left as of April 21th 8:09 a.m. Eastern Time.

Could they really have moved all 78 units during this time? Could anyone reconfirm that no more are left?

evforme · #222 Post by **evforme** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:57 pm

YES! I called through the EPP line and I was able to put another order in for one (for $100 less too on top of the EPP discount

)!

darrenf · #223 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:13 pm

OK, mine arrived this morning (with a second one still in customs). Here are my impressions, especially as compared with my previous model, a 14" SXGA+:

Black levels and color accuracy are fantastic. Anyone coming from a normal TFT will be delighted. I profiled the display and almost no correction was required.

This is also the only laptop display that I've been comfortable setting the desktop color to black. There is virtually no backlight leakage -- beautiful!

Having used the Boe-Hydis (without realizing at the time that it was a Hydis), I don't see a difference between that display and this one.

The text on this screen doesn't seem any smaller than the text on my 14" SXGA+. I think the improved PQ is making up for increased DPI.

Before I continue, keep in mind that I am going to nit-pick the display. I think most users will be delighted with it, but I want to provide some balance so folks don't think that this is the *perfect* screen.

While color and contrast don't change a lot with a change in viewing angle, the brightness does change. This is much better than a typical TFT because it allows one to work with photographs and color, but there is still a "sweet spot" where the part of the screen perpendicular to your line of sight will be brightest.

BTW: The gorgeous ID Tech SXGA+ 15" screen doesn't have nearly as pronounced a sweet spot. Again, this effect is the same as I have seen on all ThinkPad UXGA FlexView screens that I have used.

On my display, the right edge, especially near the bottom is a little darker than the rest of the display. The only time this is an issue is when the screen is covered in a single color so it doesn't bother me, but I know one user threw a fit when the corners of his display were darker than the rest of the screen, so I thought it may be important to some.

Ghosting is definitely present, but not as bad as some of the IPS screens I was working with a year ago. If you do a lot of 3D gaming this may well be a concern. It may also be distracting if you watch action movies or sports full-screen. I don't want to exaggerate the problem -- it seems to be present to one degree or another in every FlexView that Lenovo has used -- but it hasn't been completely fixed in this display either.

Scrolling and dragging windows looks the same as on my 14" SXGA+. Not silky smooth, but no problems from ghosting.

Power use seems very reasonable. It draws about one Watt more than my T60p 14" SXGA+ did (max brightness enabled in the BIOS, max brightness setting) and the result is well worth the power use.

The speakers seem a good bit louder than on my 14" T60p. I don't have the luxury of running them side by side for a comparison though.

The included DVD drive does appear to be a dual-layer burner. I don't remember if that was part of the product description or not.

The fan is either louder or runs more than on my 14". The CPU also runs cooler, so I'm not complaining (yet).

The date stamped on the roll-cage is from about a month ago. If this is the date of manufacture of the roll-cage, the laptop was built quite recently.

The keyboard was an ALPS but required a stiffer keypress than the ALPS I was using (also new). While the PN and FRU are the same on both keyboards, the third number on the part sticker (an ALPS PN?) was different. That's all we need -- more variability in the keyboards.

I'll stop there and report back once I've had a chance to run it through its paces for a while. I would love to hear others' impressions of the display as they start arriving on doorsteps today.

-darren

darrenf · #224 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:13 pm

evforme wrote:YES! I called through the EPP line and I was able to put another order in for one (for $100 less too on top of the EPP discount )!

DUDE! I want my $100!

-darren

2 Bricks Short · #225 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:42 pm

blantant wrote:
this is just dissapointing that we waited so long (customs) and payed so much, just to be duped collectively like this.

O.K. I'm reading the post from darrenf and coming to the conclusion that when my computer shows up tomorrow, the screen won't look dreadful as was onced feared. I then scroll back to read this.

I really don't mind asking you to please, tell us how we were all "duped"?

Edit: Please tell me quick. If I've been duped into ordering this thing, I do not want to compound my stupidity by opening the box that just showed up.

ahaile · #226 Post by **ahaile** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:49 pm

darrenf wrote:I'll stop there and report back once I've had a chance to run it through its paces for a while. I would love to hear others' impressions of the display as they start arriving on doorsteps today.

Just started playing with mine. Ditto everything you said on the screen, right down to the "sweet spot" and slight darkening along lower right edge. I haven't tried any video yet, so can't comment on ghosting.

The black is *very* impressive.
-- A

WPWoodJr · #227 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:23 pm

darrenf wrote:While color and contrast don't change a lot with a change in viewing angle, the brightness does change. This is much better than a typical TFT because it allows one to work with photographs and color, but there is still a "sweet spot" where the part of the screen perpendicular to your line of sight will be brightest.

BTW: The gorgeous ID Tech SXGA+ 15" screen doesn't have nearly as pronounced a sweet spot. Again, this effect is the same as I have seen on all ThinkPad UXGA FlexView screens that I have used.

Yeah, my LG SXGA+ Flexview has that "sweet spot" too. Have you seen the LG? Can you compare the brightness and color richness/saturation of the IDTech to the LG?

darrenf · #228 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:26 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Can you compare the brightness and color richness/saturation of the IDTech to the LG?

Unfortunately not. The only one I've seen (that I knew the manufacturer of) was the ID Tech. Sorry.

-darren

sinden · #229 Post by **sinden** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:23 pm

I just qa'd this notebook for the buyer and the display is phenomenal; it has no stuck pixels and extremely even lighting. I can't find at all the slight darkening on the right side of the screen as some have noted in this thread. This is easily the finest display I've seen on a notebook, easily better than the UXGA FV I have on my R50p

. I don't understand at all how someone can feel cheated buying this particular model notebook.

okashira · #230 Post by **okashira** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:30 pm

sinden wrote:I just qa'd this notebook for the buyer and the display is phenomenal; it has no stuck pixels and extremely even lighting. I can't find at all the slight darkening on the right side of the screen as some have noted in this thread. This is easily the finest display I've seen on a notebook, easily better than the UXGA FV I have on my R50p . I don't understand at all how someone can feel cheated buying this particular model notebook.

that's good to hear. i'll definetly wait until I get to check it out before considering a BOE swap.

okashira · #231 Post by **okashira** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:31 pm

LOUISVILLE,
KY, US 04/25/2007 1:20 P.M. WAREHOUSE ENTRY CLEARANCE DETAILS, NECESSARY FOR CUSTOMS CLEARANCE, HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FROM THE RECEIVER;BROKERAGE RELEASED SHIPMENT. SHIPMENT IS SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY FOR FURTHER CLEARANCE
04/25/2007 12:24 P.M. IMPORT SCAN
04/25/2007 11:45 A.M. WAREHOUSE ENTRY CLEARANCE DETAILS, NECESSARY FOR CUSTOMS CLEARANCE, HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FROM THE RECEIVER

^^^what the heck is this ? Am I not the 'reciever?" Do I need to contact UPS or somthing? the system has been stuck in KY for 4-5 days now.

darrenf · #232 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:19 pm

okashira, follow my advice and don't try to understand the scans. They mean nothing and you'll drive yourself batty trying to figure it out. Furthermore, you might see no further activity until 4am and yet the thing is at your door at 10am.

If you really want to know what's up you can call the UPS international customer service number (800-782-7892) and ask them. They seem to have a lot more (and more accurate) information at their disposal.

-darren

Dimitri_P · #233 Post by **Dimitri_P** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:47 am

WPWoodJr wrote:
Johan wrote:- just stumbled over a review of the 2623DDU with good images of the screen (compared to a Dell Latitude D610): http://lenovoreview.com/2007/01/08/thin ... 0p-review/
It probable that the screen described in that review is the Boe-Hydis, not the IDTech which is shipping with these new machines.

Can anyone compare the IDTech display to the Boe-Hydis?

I could compare if I don't forget.

BTW, what would be the best image to compare on?

#234 Post by **gator** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:56 am

The autumn wallpaper from windows xp is a good one.

#235 Post by **BillMorrow** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:11 am

those 2623DDU T60p's are all gone from the website now..

the display is perfect and bright on the one i have opened to play with..

a really super deal..

dr_st · #236 Post by **dr_st** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:36 am

I have an LG Flexview on my T42. It has the "sweet spot" for brightness effect, which is very noticeable, although even when off center, the screen is comfortably bright enough (for watching movies, for example). The darkening along the right edge is not present, but there is slight, but noticeable, darkening at the bottom corners (about 0.5cm in length/width). This corner darkening has been reported on IDTech Flexview LCDs too. Don't know about Hydis.

2 Bricks Short · #237 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:16 am

darrenf wrote:okashira, follow my advice and don't try to understand the scans. They mean nothing and you'll drive yourself batty trying to figure it out. Furthermore, you might see no further activity until 4am and yet the thing is at your door at 10am.

If you really want to know what's up you can call the UPS international customer service number (800-782-7892) and ask them. They seem to have a lot more (and more accurate) information at their disposal.

-darren

This is good advice. Mine never indicated that it was "out for delivery" and it just showed up yesterday afternoon. I saw everything that you are seeing when it was in Kentucky. I wouldn't try to make sense of it if I were you.

WPWoodJr · #238 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:20 am

Dimitri_P wrote:I could compare if I don't forget.

BTW, what would be the best image to compare on?

The Windows desktop "Bliss" and "Autumn" images are good. Bliss has lots of blues and greens, Autumn has nice yellows and oranges.

okashira · #239 Post by **okashira** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:55 am

Dimitri_P wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote: It probable that the screen described in that review is the Boe-Hydis, not the IDTech which is shipping with these new machines.

Can anyone compare the IDTech display to the Boe-Hydis?
I could compare if I don't forget.

BTW, what would be the best image to compare on?

Yes, PLEASE DO use the 'autumn' wallpaper that should come with windows... and also the one with the yellow flowers on blue sky background.

WarrenInDe · #240 Post by **WarrenInDe** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:04 am

Any second now

NEWARK,
DE, US 04/26/2007 7:29 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY

And I work from home today.

Really not bad 3 days from HK to my door.

Warren

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