T60 speed how to?

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smartegyptian · #1 Post by **smartegyptian** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:46 pm

Just got the laptop disabled all startup items except the below
- TpShocks
- PWRMGRTR (powermanager)
- ACWLIcon (access connections in systray)
- TPHKMGR (HotKey ManaGeR)
- EzEjMnAp (Easy Eject)
- SynTPEnh (trackpoint, for example middle mouse needs this together with SynTPLpr)
- SynTPLpr
Laptop still boot slow, also slow to open applications like MS office..etc I got duo CPU 1.83, 1.5GB RAM anything else I can do to speed it up more?
Thanks

pianowizard · #2 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:46 am

smartegyptian wrote:Laptop still boot slow, also slow to open applications like MS office..

How long does it take to load MS Office? On my two-year-old 1.6GHz Pentium M Dell laptop with 1GB PC2-4200 RAM and 60GB 5400rpm HDD, it takes about 1 to 2 seconds to load Word 2003, PowerPoint 2003 or Excel 2003.

Have you scanned for spyware and viruses?

#3 Post by **ryengineer** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:58 am

smartegyptian wrote:Just got the laptop disabled all startup items except the below
- TpShocks
- PWRMGRTR (powermanager)
- ACWLIcon (access connections in systray)
- TPHKMGR (HotKey ManaGeR)
- EzEjMnAp (Easy Eject)
- SynTPEnh (trackpoint, for example middle mouse needs this together with SynTPLpr)
- SynTPLpr
Laptop still boot slow, also slow to open applications like MS office..etc I got duo CPU 1.83, 1.5GB RAM anything else I can do to speed it up more?
Thanks

It's very hard to say what's causing this as it depends on the kind of user, the way you manage your system and your knowledge about pc.

But get Hijackthis, analyze your system, post the log file on hijackthis.de to see if you got any spywares/unnecessary startup programs.

Get CCleaner to correct your registry and clean all clutter etc.

Make sure you clean your old restore points, keep your hdd in good shape by defragmenting it when required and try to take backups when 40% of your hdd space is left.

About the startup get bootvis, it might increase your speed in booting quickly.

bigfoot00 · #4 Post by **bigfoot00** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:37 pm

smartegyptian wrote:Just got the laptop disabled all startup items except the below
- TpShocks
- PWRMGRTR (powermanager)
- ACWLIcon (access connections in systray)
- TPHKMGR (HotKey ManaGeR)
- EzEjMnAp (Easy Eject)
- SynTPEnh (trackpoint, for example middle mouse needs this together with SynTPLpr)
- SynTPLpr
Laptop still boot slow, also slow to open applications like MS office..etc I got duo CPU 1.83, 1.5GB RAM anything else I can do to speed it up more?
Thanks

Did you disable Diskeeper, too? When I first started my new T60, I found out this defragmentation program kept running background, making other things sluggish.

Unlike other startup programs, it is registered as a service. So if you already didn't, you would have to go to Control Panel->Administrative Tasks->Services, then disable it to see if this was the cause.

gt5l · #5 Post by **gt5l** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:41 pm

I trimmed the stratup program list (removed office & Adobe stuff) left Lenovo and Kaspersky AV alone and here is a detailed startup time.

Satrting from zero (the computer is completley off)

From pushing power button

Showing Lenovo flash screen 5 sec
Showing Win scroll bar 19 sec
Showing Win Vista round logo 50 sec
Swipe finger 51 sec
Fingerprint swipe processed and accepted 106 sec
Taskbar shown with Win Vista basic processes 128 sec
Showing Lenovo Access Connection also connected to network 135 sec

I don't think this is bad, 2 min & 15 sec to fully start Win Vista is not bad I think.

WPWoodJr · #6 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:02 pm

Who boots their machine these days? I sometimes go a month without rebooting.

#7 Post by **ryengineer** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:41 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Who boots their machine these days? I sometimes go a month without rebooting.

I agree, my home machine only boots once a month too. It has been set to optimize power however, so the monitor and the hdd shuts down within 5 minutes of inactivity while the system goes to sleep.

pianowizard · #8 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:56 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Who boots their machine these days?

I do, and it doesn't take that long, well under a minute. I get out of bed, push my T60's power button, go to the bathroom, come back and it's ready to use.

Sounds like the OP's T60 takes a lot longer than 1 minute, because otherwise s/he wouldn't be complaining.

WPWoodJr · #9 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:58 pm

That's what I like, a dawn-to-dusk Thinkpadder!

Why don't you just use standby?

pianowizard · #10 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:04 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Why don't you just use standby?

That's because I prefer to unplug the Thinkpad when it's not in use. My cheapo power strip doesn't offer good enough protection against lightning.

WPWoodJr · #11 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:12 pm

It will easily last the night on standby - or you could use hibernate.

gt5l · #12 Post by **gt5l** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:16 pm

ever since discovering hibernate sleep and finding out that windows does not recommend turning Vista completly off i stopped.

pianowizard · #13 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:18 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:It will easily last the night on standby - or you could use hibernate.

Yes it will last the night, but the battery's cycle count would also go up really fast. I try to use the battery as little as possible, e.g. my T43's battery gained only two cycle counts during the five months I was its owner (and then I sold it).

Yep, I use hibernate too, but shutdown is so fast that the difference is fairly small. I alternate between hibernate and shutdown.

gt5l wrote:windows does not recommend turning Vista completly off

For what reason?

gt5l · #14 Post by **gt5l** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:37 pm

Because window can wake up to run scheduled task i guess, plus on Win Vista's site they only recommend shutting down in the situations listed below

"Shut down your computer only when you need to install or repair hardware, such as installing a new hard disk or video card, or adding memory (RAM).

Shut down your computer when you need to do one of the following:

• Repair the hardware.

• Install a new hard disk or video card.

• Add memory.

When installing hardware or adding memory, always follow the manufacturer's instructions.

You should also shut down your computer if you don't want it to wake to run a scheduled task or when you don’t plan to use the computer for several days."

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Window ... mspx#EUCAC

jlingo · #15 Post by **jlingo** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:31 am

Ok if your laptop is in Stand By Mode, but your laptop screen is in closed condition. Would it still be able to wake up upon schedule? or you would need to have the screen lid in an open condition?

Thanks.

gt5l wrote:Because window can wake up to run scheduled task i guess, plus on Win Vista's site they only recommend shutting down in the situations listed below

"Shut down your computer only when you need to install or repair hardware, such as installing a new hard disk or video card, or adding memory (RAM).

Shut down your computer when you need to do one of the following:

• Repair the hardware.

• Install a new hard disk or video card.

• Add memory.

When installing hardware or adding memory, always follow the manufacturer's instructions.

You should also shut down your computer if you don't want it to wake to run a scheduled task or when you don’t plan to use the computer for several days."

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Window ... mspx#EUCAC

jlingo · #16 Post by **jlingo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:32 am

My T60 2Ghz L2:4mb 2GB RAM, ATI X1400 Vista is very fast and responsive. I don't have any problem at all. Start up time is also acceptable compared to my old T43. I have no complaints with performance.

#17 Post by **Johan** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:28 pm

Greetings!

I am too trying to speed up the boot process and program launch time of my two-weeks-old T60 (type 2007-QPG, model UT0QPDK w/2 GHz Core 2 Duo, 1 GB RAM, 5400 rpm SATA HDD). I want to free as much RAM as possible, so that I don't necessarily need to install 1 GB more RAM already at this early time. After all, the PC ought to be able to work satisfactory as newly born, without having to update it from day one!

The PC, which came with Vista Business pre-installed, will mainly be used for writing (Microsoft Office 2003, i.e. Word, PowerPoint, Excel), browsing and mailing. The PC will primarily be used at home, so I don't need to be concerned about many corporate issues (networking, high security etc.). In particular, I want to maximize battery time and minimize fan noise (I have configured it with "CPU speed = Adaptive" and "Fan Control = Balance All Parameters" for both AC and DC). While I am writing this, the fan kicks in and out... and this even happening with practically no CPU load!

So, I'm trying to strip it for any unnecessary pre-installed programs. My question is: How much can I remove, without getting in trouble? Some of the installed programs may not be possible to re-install later (if necessary) without going to a complete system restore which I of course want to avoid.

So far, I have uninstalled these programs:

- ThinkVantage Client Security Solution
- ThinkVantage System Migration Assistant
- Google Desktop
- Google Picasa
- Norton time-limited anti-virus etc. (all Norton is gone!)
- Microsoft Office 2007 (trial!)
- Microsoft Business Contact Manager for Outlook 2007 incl. SQL Server

Moreover, I have disabled the following Windows services:

- Windows Fax and Scanning
- Windows Meeting room

... but now I wonder if it is safe also to uninstall these programs, which are still there:

- Microsoft SQL Server Native Client
- Microsoft SQL Server Setup Support Files
- Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer
- Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable
- MSXML 4.0 SP2 (KB927978)

I don't need them (I think!), but there may be some useful programs using these... ?? Other T60/Vista "speed-up" hints are equally welcome!

NB: What about "Deskeeper 9 Home" (it also came pre-installed); keep or delete? Is it really an usefull and necessary program...?? I just have no idea.

All hints would be very much appreciated - thanks!

Kind regards,

Johan

WPWoodJr · #18 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:03 pm

I would keep Diskeeper, it speeds up your disk access.

If you want the fan to be quieter, you can configure a profile for Lowest cpu speed for the times when you are writing, browsing, or doing other non-cpu intensive tasks. You can also configure ATI Catalyst for power saving mode.

Urfed · #19 Post by **Urfed** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:13 pm

I think Vista is just a slow OS to boot up. My last notebook, a Sony T series with a ULV 1.2GHz Pentium M with 1GB, loaded XP Pro significantly faster than Vista Home Premium loads on my month old T60 7200 C2D with X1400 and 2GB RAM. I did a custom restore with pretty much none of the IBM software, and then disabled almost every startup program I could get away with, and it's still sluggish on bootup and even shutting down! I'll be stuck on the "shutting down" screen for like 30 seconds alone sometimes. I haven't clocked bootup yet, but yeah, I feel it's slow as heck.

That said, once it's fully booted, the system is a screamer that can handle everything I throw at it. But those boot times, man.

codek · #20 Post by **codek** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:03 am

Urfed wrote:I think Vista is just a slow OS to boot up. My last notebook, a Sony T series with a ULV 1.2GHz Pentium M with 1GB, loaded XP Pro significantly faster than Vista Home Premium loads on my month old T60 7200 C2D with X1400 and 2GB RAM. I did a custom restore with pretty much none of the IBM software, and then disabled almost every startup program I could get away with, and it's still sluggish on bootup and even shutting down! I'll be stuck on the "shutting down" screen for like 30 seconds alone sometimes. I haven't clocked bootup yet, but yeah, I feel it's slow as heck.

That said, once it's fully booted, the system is a screamer that can handle everything I throw at it. But those boot times, man.

that's why i go with xp pro, vista can wait... microsoft released it too early.... even though they were way late.

zahir · #21 Post by **zahir** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:55 am

smartegyptian wrote:Just got the laptop disabled all startup items except the below
- TpShocks
- PWRMGRTR (powermanager)
- ACWLIcon (access connections in systray)
- TPHKMGR (HotKey ManaGeR)
- EzEjMnAp (Easy Eject)
- SynTPEnh (trackpoint, for example middle mouse needs this together with SynTPLpr)
- SynTPLpr
Laptop still boot slow, also slow to open applications like MS office..etc I got duo CPU 1.83, 1.5GB RAM anything else I can do to speed it up more?
Thanks

Just a few things i've learned along the years and they keep my comp running perfect....
1. Virtual memory paging file..! Very important... it'll make sure ur comps running super smooth....
2. also, if you're using vista, i think the recommended is 2gb ram.... If you have xp, the ram you have right now rocks! Besides i think xp has a maximum of 3gigs supported (i might be wrong here)
3. Disk space... the more HDD space, the better the comp runs.... so clear up temp files, un-required programs....
4. Start Up services.... a lotta programs we install start services that really arent required.... msconfig > Services > hide all microsoft services.... see the ones u dont need and kick them out....

try these, you should be good.... I dont think you need to disable all ibm services but if they don't affect the way you use your comp, ur better without them....

im currently on a 1.3 celeron and I do all of the above and the laptop works like a charm.... I hardly realize it has so little ram....

if your problem still persists, let it startup and load office, while loading hit CTRL + SHFT + ESC..... click the Processes tab .... arrange by CPU usage, see whats using maximum cpu resources... do the same with the Memory Usage.... it'll give you a fair idea of which programs are hogging resources.....

I run a lot of applications but my CPU usage barely goes over 10-15% on my pc.... (ofcourse when im on a heavy app like photoshop its higher)

Good luck champ

zahir · #22 Post by **zahir** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:41 pm

Johan wrote: ... but now I wonder if it is safe also to uninstall these programs, which are still there:

- Microsoft SQL Server Native Client
- Microsoft SQL Server Setup Support Files
- Microsoft SQL Server VSS Writer
- Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable
- MSXML 4.0 SP2 (KB927978)

I don't need them (I think!), but there may be some useful programs using these... ?? Other T60/Vista "speed-up" hints are equally welcome!
Johan

The softwares named above are developed softwares.... don't see them having anything to do with writing and browsing the net.... unless you're into some sorta sql db or C development, dont see why these can't go

#23 Post by **Johan** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:01 pm

@ zahir:

Thanks for your feedback. Yesterday, I installed "Mobility Modder" (see http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=41503) in order to get the good old "IBM ThinkPad features screensaver" to run under Vista Business on my T60 (which has the ATI X1400 display interface). Mobility Modder require MSXML 4.0, so fortunately I didn't clean that one.

The other stuff (misc. SQL servers etc.) I still have no idea why is pre-installed, but I guess that there may be a good reason - why should Lenovo otherwise have the trouble of installing some commercial (and not free, to my knowledge!) software, which is only required for the small percentage of people involved in software development? I won't strip it until convinced it is unnecessary - since it is not free to install again.

So, I'll leave it until someone tells me why it certainly can be deleted safely... since I'm not fully convinced yet!

Best regards,

Johan

WPWoodJr · #24 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:00 pm

Urfed wrote:I think Vista is just a slow OS to boot up. My last notebook, a Sony T series with a ULV 1.2GHz Pentium M with 1GB, loaded XP Pro significantly faster than Vista Home Premium loads on my month old T60 7200 C2D with X1400 and 2GB RAM. I did a custom restore with pretty much none of the IBM software, and then disabled almost every startup program I could get away with, and it's still sluggish on bootup and even shutting down! I'll be stuck on the "shutting down" screen for like 30 seconds alone sometimes. I haven't clocked bootup yet, but yeah, I feel it's slow as heck.

That said, once it's fully booted, the system is a screamer that can handle everything I throw at it. But those boot times, man.

Have you disabled all the TP security software and fingerprint software? That stuff is really slow.

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