Poll on T60/T60p Bluescreens

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whquaint · #1 Post by **whquaint** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:51 pm

I'd like to see how common bluescreens are among the T60 series.

#2 Post by **gator** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:54 pm

I think this is a very vague poll. BSODs can happen due to a variety of reasons (both hardware and software) and there is no point just collecting the number of occurances.

madcow · #3 Post by **madcow** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:07 pm

I have yet to get a blue screen...

whquaint · #4 Post by **whquaint** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:25 pm

I will tell that I am using the same software and hardware on my T60p that I used on my T41p. The T41p never BSODed, and I've received ~7 BSODs on the T60p. The T60p box did not say "warning: this computer may bluescreen under situations that our previous laptops did not".

See my earlier post about problems with the parallel port on the minidock. The T60p does not work with parallel port drivers that the T4x series did. Maybe this driver expects the parallel port to never go away and freaks out when I undock. Nonetheless, the change is the new computer.

#5 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:42 pm

gator wrote:I think this is a very vague poll. BSODs can happen due to a variety of reasons (both hardware and software) and there is no point just collecting the number of occurances

This would be correct.

whquaint · #6 Post by **whquaint** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:55 pm

You're saying that someone's opinion is "correct"? I think you meant to say "I agree".

#7 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:05 pm

Actually I agree with the facts of the statement not the opinion.

whquaint · #8 Post by **whquaint** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:19 pm

I thought you were referring to his words "vague" and "no point", which are his opinions.

So you are saying that he is correct that BSODs can happen due to a variety of reasons?

mitchellst · #9 Post by **mitchellst** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:43 pm

whquaint- "So you are saying that he is correct that BSODs can happen due to a variety of reasons?"

That is what he was saying.

Don't be a loser whquaint. If you didn't know what I meant, then it's you that's bad at communication.

**Edited**

whquaint · #10 Post by **whquaint** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:05 pm

Wow. You guys have GOT to be more clear in your responses.

mitchellst, when you use the word "he", do you mean Kyocera or gator?

When Kyocera quoted gator, he/she quoted one short sentence and one compound sentence, for a total of 2 opinion statements and 1 factual statement. Without further information, I can only assume that his/her "this would be correct" was meant to reference all of the quoted text, right? I mean, he/she surely wouldn't quote more text than he/she was referencing, right? Because as a moderator, he/she is surely excellent at the art of communication, right?

(deep breath... 10..9..8..) OK. I'm done here. Cheer if you will.

#11 Post by **jdhurst** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:10 pm

I am not going to vote on this. Unless someone can prove that the T60 is defective, then there should be zero blue screens.

I can say this: No blue screens on my A22e, T23, T30, T41 or any unabused client T42 or T43 that I set up.

So unless the T60 is defective, why should it be different?
... JDH

Splaktar · #12 Post by **Splaktar** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:30 pm

I can BSoD my T60p at will. I just have to launch 'safe mode' of any type and BSoD!

#13 Post by **jdhurst** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:17 pm

Splaktar wrote:I can BSoD my T60p at will. I just have to launch 'safe mode' of any type and BSoD!

If you are saying (as I interpret the above) that you can take a T60 new out of the box with zero changes and it will BSOD on entering safe mode, then I would return it. ... JDH

snessiram · #14 Post by **snessiram** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:16 pm

Although not a T60, my R60 gave me 3 blue screens because of a network driver error which was totally my fault (and wasn't bad because I knew what I was doing). And that where the only bsod's I've had in my computer experience.

I don't think you get a bsod unless there's a serious hardware problem or you screwed something up yourself (which might be the case very often with non-experienced users).

#15 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:33 pm

The fact is that it is a vague poll, nothing specific about hardware or software related BSOD or what model lines within the t60 you are referring to. So collecting data on blue screens on all t60's seems rather pointless. If you are looking for issues related to blue screens on t60's that would seem to be more uselful.

#16 Post by **ryengineer** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Kyocera wrote:
gator wrote:I think this is a very vague poll. BSODs can happen due to a variety of reasons (both hardware and software) and there is no point just collecting the number of occurances
This would be correct.

I have to second them. Improperly installed softwares and hardware are one of the reasons of BSOD's.

Splaktar wrote:I can BSoD my T60p at will. I just have to launch 'safe mode' of any type and BSoD!

That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.

WPWoodJr · #17 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:16 pm

I've had 5-10 BSODs, but have resolved them I think! One was due to an old version of Cisco VPN - I installed the new version. Another was the famous NMI: Parity Check, I believe this was resolved by a new wireless driver from Lenovo. See the link in my signature for that fix.

killigrew · #18 Post by **killigrew** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:22 am

i had some bluescreens when i was trying to start Vista in AHCI Mode while the Harddrive had the faulty firmware on it.

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boristhebolovian · #19 Post by **boristhebolovian** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:45 am

i get a BSOD every time i resume from hibernation if i leave a disk in the CD-ROM. Otherwise havnt seen one in bout 10 months on my T60.

Dodge DeBoulet · #20 Post by **Dodge DeBoulet** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:15 am

While I've only had my T60 4 days, I did experience one BSoD while uninstalling CSS 7 (in order to install CSS

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Splaktar · #21 Post by **Splaktar** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:20 am

ryengineer wrote:
Splaktar wrote:I can BSoD my T60p at will. I just have to launch 'safe mode' of any type and BSoD!
That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.

Sorry if you feel that way, it's just the simple truth. Machine is less than 2 weeks old. I'm not sure what's going on.

So far I've tried 'Microsoft Windows Recovery Console' and 'Safe mode w/ Networking' and reproduced this BSoD 7+ times now. I've never ever been able to open either one w/o a BSoD.

Stop: 0x0000007B

#22 Post by **JaneL** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:48 am

ryengineer wrote:That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.

Why?

whizkid · #23 Post by **whizkid** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:21 am

I've had my T60, and used it nearly every day, since early December 2006. I rarely use Windows on it at all, but it's there, and I use it now and then, and have never had it bluescreen.

JDH asked: unless the T60 is defective, why should it be different?

Well, a lot of the hardware is different - mainly the support chipset (945PM/GM). That in turn means potentially new drivers for: hard drive, cpu, memory, keyboard, parallel, serial, usb, irda, network, CardBus, ExpressCard, audio, video, fingerprint, WWAN, WLAN, ThinkPad buttons, power control, and whatever else is in there.

Device drivers seem to get the short end of the testing stick, and bring the most stability problems in my experience. Consider that EVERY user of Windows uses the kernel and filesystem while a very small chunk use the devices we use. So while the machine may well be awesome (mine seems to be!), the drivers may need some polish.

#24 Post by **ryengineer** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:27 am

Splaktar wrote:So far I've tried 'Microsoft Windows Recovery Console' and 'Safe mode w/ Networking' and reproduced this BSoD 7+ times now. I've never ever been able to open either one w/o a BSoD.
Stop: 0x0000007B

You might think about contacting lenovo on that, if you think it's a hardware issue.

But that looks software issue to me, a bad installation of operating system or improperly installed drivers, perhaps.

Splaktar wrote:I can BSoD my T60p at will. I just have to launch 'safe mode' of any type and BSoD!

nonny wrote:
ryengineer wrote:That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.
Why?

Without your current explanation, what I take out from this post is you're somehow proud of giving T60p a BSOD at anytime you want "at your will" and that's just giving a bad name to T60p itself.

#25 Post by **Kyocera** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:03 am

ryengineer wrote:

That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.

nonny wrote:Why?

It pretty much seems like the premis of the *poll* or post is based on such a broad question or theory that it has obviously been difficult for it to:

a. stay on topic
b. be answered or participated in logically
c. leads to no real conclusion about anything

To me it's like taking a poll on

"How many times has your 1999 Honda Civic ran out of gas"
1. Never
2. Three or more times
3. More or less than 10 times
4. Every day.

steveh · #26 Post by **steveh** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:05 am

If you are getting this message would suggest that you go here to solve your problem;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324103

It can be either software, hardware, or a boot sector virus with this stop error.

Steve

Splaktar wrote:[So far I've tried 'Microsoft Windows Recovery Console' and 'Safe mode w/ Networking' and reproduced this BSoD 7+ times now. I've never ever been able to open either one w/o a BSoD.

Stop: 0x0000007B

Dodge DeBoulet · #27 Post by **Dodge DeBoulet** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:30 am

ryengineer wrote:Without your current explanation, what I take out from this post is you're somehow proud of giving T60p a BSOD at anytime you want "at your will" and that's just giving a bad name to T60p itself.

Yet even with the explanation, you're still apparently unwilling to apologize for essentially calling him a liar. And you even go on to make unkind insinuations.

Hey, I BSoD'd my T60 too, with only IBM/Lenovo software. Does that make me a bad person?

#28 Post by **ryengineer** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:40 am

Dodge DeBoulet wrote:Yet even with the explanation, you're still apparently unwilling to apologize for essentially calling him a liar. And you even go on to make unkind insinuations.

Hey, I BSoD'd my T60 too, with only IBM/Lenovo software. Does that make me a bad person?

Please tell me where did I accuse him for that? and what made you think getting BSOD will make you a bad person? I did not even call him any name.

Splaktar · #29 Post by **Splaktar** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:08 pm

steveh wrote:If you are getting this message would suggest that you go here to solve your problem;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324103

It can be either software, hardware, or a boot sector virus with this stop error.

Steve

Great, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

Dodge DeBoulet · #30 Post by **Dodge DeBoulet** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:17 pm

ryengineer wrote:
Dodge DeBoulet wrote:Yet even with the explanation, you're still apparently unwilling to apologize for essentially calling him a liar. And you even go on to make unkind insinuations.

Hey, I BSoD'd my T60 too, with only IBM/Lenovo software. Does that make me a bad person?
Please tell me where did I accuse him for that? and what made you think getting BSOD will make you a bad person? I did not even call him any name.

And I quote:

ryengineer wrote:That is simply BS!. Mods you should think about locking this down.

Unless by "BS," you simply meant Blue Screen . . . its other common interpretation would indicate that you do not believe he is telling the truth. Close enough to calling him a liar in my book.

I ask the question regarding BSoDs and questionable ethics only because they appear to be somehow tied together in your mind, as evidenced by the statement above.

The poster to whom you were responding stated a simple fact, culled from his own experience. You claimed it was "BS." I posted that I had a similar but not identical experience. Will you claim "BS" on me too?

Poll on T60/T60p Bluescreens

How many times has your T60 or T60p bluescreened?

Poll on T60/T60p Bluescreens

Bluescreens

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