HP 2510p... what I'd like to see in an X-series

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jayk · #1 Post by **jayk** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:53 am

HP is supposed to ship their 2510p in Q3. With a wide, LED-backlit screen, and both a touchpad and pointing stick, this is exactly what I'd like to see in a next-gen X-series. A 2.5" hard drive (looks like 1.8" from the specs) and thinklight-type thing (or keyboard backlighting) would make it perfect. Hopefully competition will prompt some new features from Lenovo.

#2 Post by **tomh009** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:48 am

LED backlight should be nice, yes. I'm not completely convinced on the widescreen though, and I'm perfectly happy without a touchpad. Optical drive is nice, but not a big deal for me personally (I only use my burner at home to make backups).

Now, on the downside, there is the 1.8"disk (and it's PATA, too) and a single memory slot for 2 GB max capacity. Those will significantly limit the potential performance of the system.

I still haven't found the perfect laptop, but the X series comes the closest for me ...

pianowizard · #3 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:57 am

jayk, thanks for the info. This page has more specs of this HP laptop. It sounds pretty similar to the nc2400. I agree with Tom that the 1.8" 4200rpm HDD is a serious limitation. Otherwise, this would be the perfect ultraportable for me. I sold my X60s five months ago and have been searching for a nice replacement. The top two candidates are the HP nc2400 and the Panasonic Y5. I am boycotting the X-series Thinkpads because the non-tablets only have XGA res and the SXGA+ tablet weighs almost 4 lbs even with the small battery.

Puppy · #4 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:11 pm

HP 2510p with single 2 GB RAM module is also cheaper than X61 with two 512M RAM ones. Unfortunately the HP keyboard is unacceptable.

#5 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:09 pm

Cheaper or not, I would not want to buy a new notebook -- that I will be using for the next 2-3 years -- that will max out at 2 GB. Forget about 64-bit, 2 GB isn't generous even for 32-bit Vista.

pianowizard · #6 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:20 pm

Tom is always looking for ways to criticize non-Thinkpad laptops, LOL! Tom, is there one thing or two about Thinkpads that you aren't pleased with?

Troels · #7 Post by **Troels** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:25 pm

Not really convinced with LED backlights yet, due to the very bad light homogenity on the MBP. See http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple ... 038.0.html .

#8 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:45 pm

pianowizard wrote:Tom is always looking for ways to criticize non-Thinkpad laptops, LOL! Tom, is there one thing or two about Thinkpads that you aren't pleased with?

Oh, sure. I'd love to have SXGA AFFS on my X61. It'd be nice if it were a bit lighter (though I will still take sturdiness over light weight). And it would be nice to have ExpressCard instead of CardBus (though in the short term CardBus saves me money).

But as I've said many times before, laptops are all about compromises, and each person needs to find the right compromises for him/herself. I want the light weight, but since it's my only system, I won't accept a 1.8" disk or a 2 GB memory limit -- just like you won't accept an XGA display.

People have been tearing at Lenovo for the 3 GB limit with the *60 series ThinkPads for months. Why would I consider a laptop that tops out at 2 GB to be the bee's knees?

P.S. All that said, behind ThinkPads, HP's business notebooks and Panasonic's ToughBooks would be my next choices.

Puppy · #9 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:50 pm

tomh009 wrote:But as I've said many times before, laptops are all about compromises, and each person needs to find the right compromises for him/herself.

On the other hand it is also about configuration options. Having XGA resolution available only in 2007 is simply ridiculous for notebook of class where X61 belongs.

Puppy · #10 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:54 pm

Troels wrote:Not really convinced with LED backlights yet, due to the very bad light homogenity on the MBP.

It is just another trick on customers like glossy "superview" displays. Yes, a 5000 EUR professional Eizo monitor can take an advantage of LED backlight to improve color gamut but it is different category

Regarding notebooks, LED backlight might improve power consumption and weight but not the picture quality. Getting rid of TN crap is the only way.

#11 Post by **K. Eng** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:02 pm

Puppy wrote:HP 2510p with single 2 GB RAM module is also cheaper than X61 with two 512M RAM ones. Unfortunately the HP keyboard is unacceptable.

I haven't tried the 2510p, but the older nc series had pretty decent keyboards.

#12 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:10 pm

Puppy wrote:On the other hand it is also about configuration options. Having XGA resolution available only in 2007 is simply ridiculous for notebook of class where X61 belongs.

And a 2 GB maximum is perfectly all right, then, even for Vista?

Puppy · #13 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:16 pm

K. Eng wrote:I haven't tried the 2510p, but the older nc series had pretty decent keyboards.

Ah, I mean the layout (Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys).

pianowizard · #14 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:23 pm

tomh009 wrote:And a 2 GB maximum is perfectly all right, then, even for Vista?

Like I said a few days ago in another thread, I used Vista Home Premium on my T42 for two days with only 512MB, and it felt perfectly acceptable. I think I still noticed a slight difference from XP, but that could've been imaginary.

We could do a poll asking people what they think is worse: RAM topping out at 2GB, or having XGA on a 12.1" screen.

Puppy · #15 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:24 pm

tomh009 wrote:And a 2 GB maximum is perfectly all right, then, even for Vista?

Sorry, I don't get it. You can not use more than 2 GB (or later 3 GB) of memory for Windows 32 bit. According the spec, X61 supports up to 4 GB RAM.

#16 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:34 pm

Yes, X61 supports 4 GB (with a 64-bit OS). But the 2510p that was being discussed maxes out at 2 GB. So is that fine for a business laptop being introduced in late 2007?

pianowizard · #17 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:40 pm

tomh009 wrote:the 2510p that was being discussed maxes out at 2 GB. So is that fine for a business laptop being introduced in late 2007?

That may become a problem in a few years. But having only XGA is a problem right now.

Puppy · #18 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:42 pm

pianowizard wrote:That may become a problem in a few years. But having only XGA is a problem right now.

Exactly

It is not clear from HP specwhether more than 2GB is supported or not. It seems as there is one slot only.

#19 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:44 pm

pianowizard wrote:That may become a problem in a few years. But having only XGA is a problem right now.

Some of us keep our laptops longer than three months.

And I have an S-IPS UXGA monitor at my desk, so for me XGA is an acceptable compromise -- but you can't add memory to a docking station.

pianowizard · #20 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:09 pm

tomh009 wrote:Some of us keep our laptops longer than three months.

I plan to keep at least one of my R50p's until one of us (i.e. me or the R50p) dies. Its 2GB RAM doesn't bother me the slightest bit. To each his own!

The Spirit of X21 · #21 Post by **The Spirit of X21** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:05 am

If the 2GB RAM limit is a problem, why not just run it with XP Pro? Extended support will last until 2014, and 2GB RAM is plenty of memory for that OS.

For the record, XGA on a 12" screen is fine for me, but to each his own.

HP 2510p... what I'd like to see in an X-series

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