X61 tablet Multi-touch. I need help from you X60t owners!

[SFWrtr]

I have a new X61 tablet with MV/MT. The touch works but is incredibly insensitive. Anybody know how to calibrate this? I can't find the topic in the doc and the Windows control panel only has a tutorial, not a touch sensitivity calibration program. I am sure it is very similar to how this would be done with the X60 tablet.

Please help! (Did that sound pathetic enough?)

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The touchscreen-sensitivity of the X60T is also very bad. Pressing a button needs much force and moving a window is only possible with the fingernails.

There is no way to calibrate this.

[smoothoperator]

you can calibrate it and it seemed to work better.....I went to control panel (switched to classic view since Vista has a wierd CP Interface) then there should be an icon that says Touch Screen properties. I then did a calibration (where you touch X's in 4 corners of the screen) and it now seems to be at least accurate when using the multitouch feature.

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you can calibrate it and it seemed to work better.....I went to control panel (switched to classic view since Vista has a wierd CP Interface) then there should be an icon that says Touch Screen properties. I then did a calibration (where you touch X's in 4 corners of the screen) and it now seems to be at least accurate when using the multitouch feature.

This calibration is only for x/y-axis of the screen. It takes no influence on the needed pressure.

[SFWrtr]

Thanks for the info.

The calibration made it more accurate. I still cannot drag items on the screen (though I got a scroll bar to work once). I can click buttons, though, and have them work.

Here is a measure of the force I am using. In notebook mode, if I press near the top of the screen, the screen tends to reposition.

I'd like to increase the sensitivity. I'll keep looking. I think I'll also look for the ink show on the X60 tablet that clear demoed this feature. I may then call Lenovo.

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Thanks for the info.

The calibration made it more accurate. I still cannot drag items on the screen (though I got a scroll bar to work once). I can click buttons, though, and have them work.

Here is a measure of the force I am using. In notebook mode, if I press near the top of the screen, the screen tends to reposition.

I'd like to increase the sensitivity. I'll keep looking. I think I'll also look for the ink show on the X60 tablet that clear demoed this feature. I may then call Lenovo.

I'am pretty shure that the guy in the in show uses his fingernail while demonstrating the touch-mode. You can hear the ticking sound when he hit the screen, wich can't be produced only by the tip of his finger.

[grantX61]

The amount of pressure required for a 'flat finger' is way to high to be acceptable. Forcing me to use a fingernail is not the way to go either, as most of the time I am clicking on a large target and just touching with a finger is more appropriate, and comfortable.

No doubt this is a software thing to prevent vectoring i.e miss-clicks caused by a hand resting on the screen, so 'hopefully' it can be fixed. If not, this is a show-stopper for me (in my situation) and I'll be putting my X61 tablet out for sale.

SFWrtr - did you get any futher with this?

[SFWrtr]

<snip>Forcing me to use a fingernail is not the way to go either, as most of the time I am clicking on a large target and just touching with a finger is more appropriate, and comfortable.<snip>

SFWrtr - did you get any fu[r]ther with this?

GrantX61, I agree that fat finger would be more comfortable. Still, that is not the way this technology works. I've been "enlightened." Not only do the Gottabemobile Ink shows demonstrate that the fingernail is use, I was forced to pay attention to how I use my touch-screen mobile phone. I actually use my nail when dialing numbers and didn't realize it. If I brace the phone, I can use my finger pad, but that requires a huge amount of relative pressure.

Again, my accessment is that this is just how the technology works. Perhaps the iPhone and the next generation of touch systems will be able to sense light tough, but for now, no joy if you want to just have the soft touch.

I've actually gotten used to using my fingernail when tapping or dragging, and it is very convenient in many situations. Needless to say, I keep the screen dust-free to eliminate scratching. (Btw, using the nail leaves less finger grease on the screen...)

Hope this helps. As I said, I like the MT/MV now that I understand it and wouldn't want to go without it. Screen visibility is outstanding outdoors.

[grantX61]

Hi SFWrtr

Thanks for your thoughts.

I still believe / hope that it is software as we do have a number of touch screens that respond to *very* light touch - even a relatively cheap Magic Touch Screen from Keytec that we use is very responsive even to the lightest of pressure (this is still using resistive / pressure based sensing the same as the x61)


I can see where you are coming from re finger-nail touching. I think you are saying that people need to be 'educated' in doing things in a better way and I can't deny that this is a far more accurate way to go.


For us though, part of our application requires the use of an on-screen keyboard, and having finger-nail only touch breaks this functionality. This is why we have to look for another solution.

I know I am unique in requiring this, but I still think for the average user -they should have the option of fingernail or finger - don't you agree? I wonder how many people have gone through what you have with the initial reaction of 'this doesn't seem to be working very well ', and I wonder if they investigated things as far as you have.

Hopefully they will find your post via google (as I did)

[SFWrtr]

our application requires the use of an on-screen keyboard, and having finger-nail only touch breaks this functionality.

Oh, I see. Yeah, can't really type on the screen if you have to assure that your nails make contact. Doing that on the physical keyboard as I type now (I'm not using the pen to answer you), I realize how unnatural that is. Both my pinky and 4th finger nails often touch, but getting the rest to do that is hard.

If you need that type of touch, the X61 tablet may not be for you.

Regarding "being educated," it was simply a matter of learning that I needed to press such that the nail also made contact, however lightly. Until that happened, all I could perceive was that I was touching a LCD (which all these years of laptops said I should not do) and that I needed to touch lightly or damage it. Not so. You do have to "make an impression." It was and still is a context shift for me.

As for Googling for my name, it is amazing how many hits I get for SFWrtr, including forum posts, my SF site (currently offline), and my X61 tablet page (link below). Thanks for pointing that out![/url]

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The amount of pressure required for a 'flat finger' is way to high to be acceptable. Forcing me to use a fingernail is not the way to go either, as most of the time I am clicking on a large target and just touching with a finger is more appropriate, and comfortable.

No doubt this is a software thing to prevent vectoring i.e miss-clicks caused by a hand resting on the screen, so 'hopefully' it can be fixed. If not, this is a show-stopper for me (in my situation) and I'll be putting my X61 tablet out for sale.

SFWrtr - did you get any futher with this?

The only comfortable way to move a window with the finger is using the fingernail - I don't think, this is a matter of technical limitatons, but of a bad hardware-design. My Pocket Loox digitizer is far more sensitve and perfectly finger-compatoble.

This is shurely no software-issue. Anti-vectorizing on the X60/61T starts, when the digitizer detects the pen, using the pen simply sets the touch-sensitivity to off. It would be fine if whe could hope for a new driver wich makes the screen more sensitive, but I think this can't be fixed by software.

[vkyr]

When looking over the GettaBeMobile X60T ...

--> MultiTouch / Ultrabase InkShow

...I too think the Lenovo touch functionality of the Multiview/Multitouch panel is somehow questionable. All in all it reminds me to the touchpanels of small devices like the 2.5" Cowon iAudio D2, where you also have to use a harder pressure with your fingernails in order to control the mp3-player device.

It's not the sort of touchpanel behaviour as usually known from other devices, like ticket machines and so on.

[proaudioguy]

It's not the sort of touchpanel behaviour as usually known from other devices, like ticket machines and so on.

Exactly. I was expecting it to be like the touch screens at the airport, and to have an adjustable sensitivity. Even the synaptics touchpad on many laptops can be adjusted, and has palm rejection too. I'm not sure why it requires so much pressure. i'm just glad I dodged the bullet and got the SXGA+ instead.

Motion Computing has a SLATE tablet out with SXGA+ and full touch screen. It also includes the digitizer pen. It's about $3200. I wonder how much pressure it takes to use that one.

http://www.motioncomputing.com/products ... le17wt.asp

Sucks that it uses a 4200RPM 1.8" HD! Big selling point for the X60 Tablet for me.

[smvp6459]

Sucks that it uses a 4200RPM 1.8" HD! Big selling point for the X60 Tablet for me.

If a person is going to drop $3,000 on a slate tablet, another $500-$1000 for a 1.8" SSD isn't that crazy.

[proaudioguy]

Sucks that it uses a 4200RPM 1.8" HD! Big selling point for the X60 Tablet for me.

If a person is going to drop $3,000 on a slate tablet, another $500-$1000 for a 1.8" SSD isn't that crazy.

Where can you find those?

[smvp6459]

Where can you find those?

I just googled 1.8" SSD:
http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/produ ... h%20Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... .8&x=0&y=0

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When looking over the GettaBeMobile X60T ...

--> MultiTouch / Ultrabase InkShow

If the ink-show man has no problems moving the window only with the tip of his finger, why we can't? Cause he uses not his tips, but his nails. I don't know why he did not mentioned, that it is very difficult to move a window with the fingertip and why he did not lost a word about the terrible touch sensitivity... perhaps his sensitivity was also not very great or he had other reasons, do you really believe, that he is the only person with a supersensitv multitouch?

[vkyr]

Well, what would you tell as an Tablet-Blogger if you want to keep up the good connections to Lenovo, in order to get also in the future possibly new test-machines?

Further Dennis Rice (...the ink-show man) in that ink show mentioned his concerns about the multitouch functionality and didn't played it much down. If one looks carefully, it is obviously visible that he uses his nails all the time and also that he has to perform some pressure on the panel surface itself.

My advice here is and always has been, to review and try things out yourself first (if possible) before buying something blindly. Since many people always also have many different opinions, which might not always be in line with your individual needs and expectations.