IBM R&R and RRU

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mpcook · #1 Post by **mpcook** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:17 pm

Can someone give me a quick explanation of the differences between these two programs? I have RRUltra 4.0 installed. Does this replace Rescue and Recovery? I see R&R with Rapid Restore listed in Add/Remove programs, but in my Start Menu, it lists Rapid Restore Ultra 4.0 (which I downloaded a few months ago and installed). Are these the same?

Am I missing something here?

Thanks for the answer to my simple minded question.

I have been using RRU 4.0 to do nightly backups. I am hopeful that between that and the restore disks from IBM, I am safe.

-Mike

ibmuser · #2 Post by **ibmuser** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:49 pm

IBM Rescue and Recovery replaces Rapid Restore Ultra.
There's a new version available:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-57264

selvan777 · #3 Post by **selvan777** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:56 pm

Good to hear you're making backups, it's a step in the right direction.

But do realize that Rapid Restore stores the backup on the same disk the data is copied from. Meaning to say that if your hard disk were to become un-accessible for what ever reasons, the backup would be deemed useless.

I'd recommend using Acronis True Image or something similar so you can easily create backups on removable media or another hard disk for safe keeping.

P.S. I can't answer your question since I don't use Rapid Restore.

eriqesque · #4 Post by **eriqesque** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:14 pm

Using Rescue and Recovery You can store your back ups.
On the Local HD, A network HD, a USB HD or on CD/DVD media.

selvan777 · #5 Post by **selvan777** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:19 pm

It's too bad it doesn't support X20's than.

Plinkerton · #6 Post by **Plinkerton** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:14 am

Wait a minute. i just make a backup using Rapid Restore Ultra 4.0, and it gave me the choice to make the backup to a USB hard drive, which I chose. Now, my external HD is about 3.5-4 gigs or so more full.

Are you saying that this is not the case, and that it really made the restore to my internal TP HD? That doesn't quite make sense to me.

I guess I really need to find this out for sure, as I don't want to have a false sense of security, when I have no protection at all.

Also, even though the USB Hd shows that it has more space used up on it, I can't actually find the files on the HD, even when I show system or hidden files. The space is taken up, but the files seem to be invisible. Are they created on a hidden partition or something I can not see? Also, the USB HD was definitely ticking away, and the light blinking. it was definitely writing data.

Thanks a lot,
Plink

selvan777 · #7 Post by **selvan777** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:44 am

No no no, looks like I messed up. I only zoned in on the RR part and totally skipped "Ultra", sorry, my mistake.

My X20 came with only RR (can't remember the version), it would only store backups on a hidden partition on the local HDD. And I stopped using an IBM preloaded HDD shortly after purchase so perhaps even newer version now offer options for a destination.

Plinkerton · #8 Post by **Plinkerton** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:08 am

Ah okay, thanks selvan. Do you know if there is a way to look at these stored files that are on the external HD? They are gone and I can't figure out how to look at them. So far, the only way I could look at them was to open RRU and go to "restore" and browse the external HD. I could see the files, which seemed to mirror My Computer->Drive C.

Thanks again.

selvan777 · #9 Post by **selvan777** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:17 pm

There are utilities that will un-hide partitions, which is what you'll need to do to view 'em, Plinkerton. Utilities like PartitionMagic or maybe even XP's resident MMC. But I would highly suggest not messing with it because the likelihood of the backup getting corrupted is high if you do so.

Stick with using the software that created it, it's the safest route.

What is your main goal, if I may ask?

ashleys · #10 Post by **ashleys** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:39 pm

Rescue & Recovery backups do *NOT* go in a hidden partition. They are stored in files within a hidden folder called RRUbackups. The structure appears to be the drive letter followed by a level number and then a data file. So for example, my complete C: drive backup is stored in files called RRUbackup/C/0/data01, RRUbackup/C/0/data02 etc. Each file appears to contain 48Kb of data. Obviously this format is internally structured for Rapid Restore Ultra (which is used under the covers even when using Rescue & Recovery).

Plinkerton · #11 Post by **Plinkerton** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:03 pm

Selvan, thanks for that. My ultimate goal is my sheer curiousity. i have this happen that after every file I transfer, I go and look at it. i was a little curious how a complete system backup would be saved, as I've never done one on any computer before.

So, I just wanted to look at it.

It really doesn't matter if i see it or not. Just a little curious.

Thanks though. As long as I'm sure it's there, that's good enough for me.

selvan777 · #12 Post by **selvan777** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:38 pm

You're welcome, Plinkerton.

I'm pretty sure the software is solid since I don't hear of any complaints.

But you know that very same curiosity led me to much problems and headaches with things disappearing and HDD not wanting to boot, etc, etc, etc. But I enjoyed every minute of it, getting hands-on self training is such a pleasure. None the less, it aided in my appreciation of a full system backup.

Utilities like Trueimage (my preferred) lets you perform backups while reading email, surfing the web or sleeping with the screen saver running. Viewing what's backed up is just as user friendly...very well worth the cost.

monty cantsin · #13 Post by **monty cantsin** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:15 pm

selvan777 wrote:It's too bad it doesn't support X20's than.

Wrong. The X20 isn't listed, but it will run R&R just fine. It even runs on my old TP 570 and detects all of my third-party PC-Card network adapters correctly (Xircom RBEM-100, R2BE-100, and a CardBus 3com XJACK LAN card)!

JHEM · #14 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:45 pm

Monty is, as usual, correct. I haven't found a system yet that R&R won't work on, including my T21s, 600Xs and 570E.

I'll probably try it on my 760XL as an exercise sometime, maybe even my 755CD and 701C.

Regards,

James

selvan777 · #15 Post by **selvan777** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:27 am

Like I said, it's too bad it's not supported!

JHEM · #16 Post by **JHEM** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:33 am

selvan777 wrote:Like I said, it's too bad it's not supported!

That's IBM-Speak for "You're on your own!".

Regards,

James

selvan777 · #17 Post by **selvan777** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:44 am

JHEM wrote:
selvan777 wrote:Like I said, it's too bad it's not supported!
That's IBM-Speak for "You're on your own!".

Regards,

James

Like I said, it's too bad it's not supported!

selvan777 · #18 Post by **selvan777** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:24 am

JHEM wrote:Monty is, as usual, correct. I haven't found a system yet that R&R won't work on, including my T21s, 600Xs and 570E.

I'll probably try it on my 760XL as an exercise sometime, maybe even my 755CD and 701C.

Regards,

James

I don't think a Special User, like yourself, should condone the use of unsupported IBM software so freely on the board especially without first reiterating the fact it IS NOT supported by IBM.

monty cantsin · #19 Post by **monty cantsin** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:37 am

selvan777 wrote:Like I said, it's too bad it's not supported!

That's correct, it's not officially "supported", but that doesn't mean it won't run.

monty cantsin · #20 Post by **monty cantsin** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:42 am

selvan777 wrote:I'm pretty sure the software is solid since I don't hear of any complaints.

It is quite solid and comfortable, but has its flaws. I wouldn't rely on R&R as the only precaution against data loss, especially not for my personal files. Using it only for system recovery purposes (and not as a full-fledged data backup solution) is fine, however.

selvan777 wrote:Utilities like Trueimage (my preferred) lets you perform backups while reading email, surfing the web or sleeping with the screen saver running.

Although R&R actually does exactly the same, I second your statement. Acronis TrueImage is a very good and reliable backup solution. There are still some features, however, that come with R&R but are missing from TrueImage:

* When restoring an image, R&R can automatically rescue all files that would be deleted or altered by the recovery process beforehand. This includes all user files that have been created or changed after the last backup run and are not included in the latest backup set for this reason.

* R&R since ver. 2 allows to restore only the vital system files. This way, the personal folders of the user remain untouched by the recovery process.

But, as R&R has completely failed on me one time, I'm using both products concurrently: R&R on a regular basis for saving my system partition, its backups are only stored locally on the notebook, and TrueImage once in a while (whenever my installation has changed noticeably) for the system and regularly for my personal data files. The TrueImage backups of the system and data partitions are saved to a network share and optical media, whereas my personal files are also additionally stored in the so-called Acronis SecureZone, a hidden partition on the notebook. All this happens automatically: An incremental, local backup of the small data partition is made on every log-on, and for the backup to the network shares, the notebook and file server at home power on automatically at 4 o'clock every morning, connect through wireless or, if available, wired network, do their job and power off again a few minutes later (only if the systems are idle, meaning no input is detected that would indicate a user is currently working on the systems).

monty cantsin · #21 Post by **monty cantsin** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:06 am

selvan777 wrote:I don't think a Special User, like yourself, should condone the use of unsupported IBM software so freely on the board especially without first reiterating the fact it IS NOT supported by IBM.

I know, you're answering to James, but he just commented on my posting, so let's see what I wrote originally:

"The X20 isn't listed, but it will run R&R just fine."

(Main clause, restrictive conjunction subordinate (adversative) clause.)

Now what does the main clause of that sentence comprise other than a reiteration of the fact that IBM does not officially enumerate the X20 in the list of the supported systems? So what are you complaining about?

I thought that you would like to try out R&R but were thinking it would not work on your computer. I wanted to do you a little favor, and what's your reaction to one of my postings again? A kick in the butt. Why, thanks?

sreins · #22 Post by **sreins** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:42 am

Hello. I have a Problem to install IBM Rescue and Recovery with Rapid Restore. I have a R40 with Rapid Restore PC. I have uninstalled this. When i try to install the setup_ibmrr1170.exe the setup show me a problem with the Microsoft installer.
Can anybody help me with this problem?

regards Sven

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