Just upgraded to 7k200 HDD for T60 successfully!

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jlingo · #1 Post by **jlingo** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:38 pm

Wooohoo so happy, I just upgraded my harddrive and it's FAST!
Simple procedure, all I had to do was to type these out under CMD

BCDEDIT /set {bootmgr} device boot
BCDEDIT /set {default} device boot
BCDEDIT /set {default} osdevice boot

and run my TrueImage 10 and Viola!! everything is working as it should.

DavidR · #2 Post by **DavidR** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:04 pm

Where did you buy which drive, and what is trueImage and what does it cost?

DenTP4rm · #3 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:30 pm

jlingo wrote:Wooohoo so happy, I just upgraded my harddrive and it's FAST!
Simple procedure, all I had to do was to type these out under CMD

BCDEDIT /set {bootmgr} device boot
BCDEDIT /set {default} device boot
BCDEDIT /set {default} osdevice boot

and run my TrueImage 10 and Viola!! everything is working as it should.

Hey Jlingo,
Appreciated your post but would like a little more specifics. Where was your 7k200 when you did this? (External HD enclosure, multi-bay or HD original bay?) Where was your original HD? Where were you in terms of software when you typed these commands?
thanks,
DenTP4rm

jlingo · #4 Post by **jlingo** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:38 am

I bought the drive from www.ewiz.com the price you could check on their website since I ordered online.
Trueimage is software by acronis, www.acronis.com
It's a software to duplicate or clone from one harddrive to another.

I put my 7k200 externally SATA enclosure(Vantec 3.0 Brand Amazing stuff) using USB 2.0. So basically my original HD still stays in the original bay.

So I booted under Vista and then I plugged in the External HDD which I wanted the information to be cloned into. and I went to start and then run type in CMD. A command prompt would appear. This was when I typed in BCDEDIT...

After all this, you run your trueimage software and that's it. the clone command there. and the Vista will restart and it will go into cloning mode.

I hope this information helps.

DenTP4rm · #5 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:30 am

Thanks for the details, jlingo.

I'm not using Vista and I gather the BCDEDIT command is specific to Vista, would you (or anybody else) know if something similar would need to be done in a similar cloning operation via WinXP?

If so, please explain what the purpose of this would be.

Thanks for your input,
DenTP4rm

jlingo · #6 Post by **jlingo** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:58 am

DenTP4rm wrote:Thanks for the details, jlingo.

I'm not using Vista and I gather the BCDEDIT command is specific to Vista, would you (or anybody else) know if something similar would need to be done in a similar cloning operation via WinXP?

If so, please explain what the purpose of this would be.

Thanks for your input,
DenTP4rm

BCDEDIT is specific for Windows Vista. It's a work around because if you clone the harddrive straight away, the final HDD may fail to boot up afterwards.

asiafish · #7 Post by **asiafish** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:20 pm

I cloned my Seagate 100GB drive to an image set in Acronis (from internal to an external 80GB), then installed my new 160GB drive and restored using Acronis Boot CD from external to new internal.

Vista Business works perfectly from the new drive, no text commands required.

EOMtp · #8 Post by **EOMtp** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:25 pm

DenTP4rm wrote:I'm not using Vista and I gather the BCDEDIT command is specific to Vista, would you (or anybody else) know if something similar would need to be done in a similar cloning operation via WinXP?

Depending on what cloning software one uses and depending on the cloning options, one may need to "reconstruct" the IBM Master Boot Record before the cloned drive will boot. Here is the utility for that task:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62978

DenTP4rm · #9 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:17 pm

Hey EOMtp,
Thanks for the feedback. Some time back Paul Pavlik talked about his cloning process on a T60 w/ Acronis True Image. He said he had to have the old drive in the external USB housing and the new one in the laptop's main drive bay. Would this "reconstruction" solve that problem?
thanks,
DenTP4rm

EOMtp · #10 Post by **EOMtp** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:33 pm

DenTP4rm wrote:... the old drive in the external USB housing and the new one in the laptop's main drive bay. Would this "reconstruction" solve that problem?

Qualified "Yes". The way the BIOS sees the hard drive in an external USB attachment is not necessarily the same way it sees the drive when in the main drive bay (or in the 2ndd HDD UltraBay adapter). Depending on the chipset of the external enclosure's PATA/SATA-to-USB "translation" hardware, one may need only this MBR repair or one may need more ...

The "guaranteed success" method of cloning is to place the new drive in the main bay or the UltraBay and run the MBR repair software, if needed, after the cloning operation.

Note: if cloning to an identical drive, then the MBR will not need to be "repaired"; if cloning to a drive of different size or manufacturer, then the MBR repair will be required.

jcvjcvjcvjcv · #11 Post by **jcvjcvjcvjcv** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:26 pm

EOMtp wrote:
DenTP4rm wrote:I'm not using Vista and I gather the BCDEDIT command is specific to Vista, would you (or anybody else) know if something similar would need to be done in a similar cloning operation via WinXP?
Depending on what cloning software one uses and depending on the cloning options, one may need to "reconstruct" the IBM Master Boot Record before the cloned drive will boot. Here is the utility for that task:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62978

Before you begin, have one blank 1.44 MB diskette ready.

Click Start, select Find or Search, then click Files and Folders.
Insert a blank 1.44MB floppy diskette into the diskette drive.
Type repairmbr.exe in the search field, then click Find Now. This will locate the file you just downloaded.
Double-click the repairmbr.exe icon.
Follow the onscreen prompts. The necessary files will be extracted to the diskette.

Oh [censored]

DenTP4rm · #12 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:06 pm

EOMtp wrote: The "guaranteed success" method of cloning is to place the new drive in the main bay or the UltraBay and run the MBR repair software, if needed, after the cloning operation.

Note: if cloning to an identical drive, then the MBR will not need to be "repaired"; if cloning to a drive of different size or manufacturer, then the MBR repair will be required.

I take it that when you say "to place the new drive in the main bay or the UltraBay" I assume that's for cloning with the original HD in the external enclosure?

When you say to run the MBR repair "if needed" I assume that would be the case just if it fails to boot. If it boots up fine then no need to run it, right? Sounds obvious, but, seems like I read here a while back about somebody getting a cloned drive to boot up okay, then had problems shortly thereafter. I think it may have been Paul Pavlik on his post on cloning.

I don't suppose there's any way to check and see if you need the MBR repair other than the fact that it doesn't boot?
thanks,
DenTPr4m

sylvain · #13 Post by **sylvain** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:39 pm

What do I do if I don't have a floppy drive...

Also, I created my discovery disc with Rescue and Recovery and also, I resized the C: partition to create a d: partition that contain a 50 gig extended partition.

When I created the Acronis True Image 10 Home Build 4942 image, the software backup the MBR...because when I choosed to backup the C:, the MBR was selected by default.

So, maybe the MBR can be restore with Acronis True Image...

EOMtp · #14 Post by **EOMtp** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:19 pm

DenTP4rm wrote:I take it that when you say "to place the new drive in the main bay or the UltraBay" I assume that's for cloning with the original HD in the external enclosure?

When you say to run the MBR repair "if needed" I assume that would be the case just if it fails to boot. If it boots up fine then no need to run it, right? Sounds obvious, but, seems like I read here a while back about somebody getting a cloned drive to boot up okay, then had problems shortly thereafter. I think it may have been Paul Pavlik on his post on cloning.

I don't suppose there's any way to check and see if you need the MBR repair other than the fact that it doesn't boot?

You understood me perfectly.

sylvain wrote:What do I do if I don't have a floppy drive...

Send me a Private Message (PM) with your e-mail address and I will send you a 3MB .iso file to create a bootable CD which contains the files required to repair the MBR.

sylvain · #15 Post by **sylvain** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:27 am

I have just sended to you my email

Also, does the ThinkVantage button on a T60P is in relation with the MBR, because one of my friends had just installed a clean Vista and he lost the ThinkVantage Menu in Vista...

GarryF · #16 Post by **GarryF** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:01 pm

sylvain wrote:I have just sended to you me email

Also, does the ThinkVantage button on a T60P is in relation with the MBR, because one of my friends had just installed a clean Vista and he lost the ThinkVantage Menu in Vista...

he needs to install productivity center and other stuff to do with the keyboard

DavidR · #17 Post by **DavidR** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:44 pm

Great thread!
Questions:

1) On the Acronis web site, the shipping version seems to be 9.1 - you mentioned TrueImage 10 - where does one get that?

2) Again on the Acronis web site, there are several software packages available- which is the least expensi ve one to do this particular job?

3) Once more on the Acronis web site, is there a trial version to download and will it clone one drive?

4) I don't have any way to put a raw drive in the "Ultrabay" if indeed I even have one. Will a plain old USB gizmo work? I currently have a 30Gig drive in a USB enclosure I use for backup that I can put my new 7k200 in (if it will work).

My T60P was purchased December 2006 with 2Gb RAM 15" flexview ATI 5250 video DVD burner, duo core 2GHz WinXP Pro

steveg47 · #18 Post by **steveg47** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:21 pm

For anyone who is interested www.zipzoomfly.com is selling the 7k200 for $220 with free shipping. An excellent price!

Additionally, I used Ghost version 11.0.1 from Symantec Ghost Solution Suite version 2 to clone my Vista installation from a Seagate 100gb/7200 to my new 7k200. I cloned from the original internal drive to the new drive in an external usb housing and then replaced my internal Seagate with the new cloned Hitachi. It booted the first time and ran with absolutely no problems whatsoever. Bcdedit was not required. It took approximate 75 minutes to perform the clone of about 60gb.

steveg47 · #19 Post by **steveg47** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:43 pm

DavidR wrote: 4) I don't have any way to put a raw drive in the "Ultrabay" if indeed I even have one. Will a plain old USB gizmo work? I currently have a 30Gig drive in a USB enclosure I use for backup that I can put my new 7k200 in (if it will work).

This will not work. The usb enclosure you need must support a sata (serial) interface. The one you have probably supports a parallel (ata) interface only.

sylvain · #20 Post by **sylvain** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:56 pm

DavidR wrote:Great thread!
Questions:

1) On the Acronis web site, the shipping version seems to be 9.1 - you mentioned TrueImage 10 - where does one get that?

You need to install the Acronis True Image 10 Home Build 4942 at least, because it has the vista support.

DavidR wrote:
2) Again on the Acronis web site, there are several software packages available- which is the least expensi ve one to do this particular job?

Acronis True Image 10 Home Build 4942 is the less expensive.

DavidR wrote:

3) Once more on the Acronis web site, is there a trial version to download and will it clone one drive?

I know that there is a trial version, but I don't know what can you do with this version.

steveg47 · #21 Post by **steveg47** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:00 pm

Sorry, posted this in error.

DenTP4rm · #22 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:06 pm

DavidR wrote: Questions:

1) On the Acronis web site, the shipping version seems to be 9.1 - you mentioned TrueImage 10 - where does one get that?

2) Again on the Acronis web site, there are several software packages available- which is the least expensi ve one to do this particular job?

3) Once more on the Acronis web site, is there a trial version to download and will it clone one drive?

4) I don't have any way to put a raw drive in the "Ultrabay" if indeed I even have one. Will a plain old USB gizmo work? I currently have a 30Gig drive in a USB enclosure I use for backup that I can put my new 7k200 in (if it will work).

David,
The simplest and least expensive version is Acronis True Image Home. You can find that at http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/pr ... trueimage/

In the "Download" section there's a copy of True Image 10 with a 15 day trial. I don't know what the limitations are currently on that. You'd have to look around on the site. Sounds like it's good for 15 days though so it may do everything the purchased one does.

Apparently they are coming out with version 11 very soon. I've gotten two emails from them asking me to upgrade to version 10 (actually, I already have it) and saying I'll be eligible for version 11 when it comes out. I know their policy is that you can upgrade free if you purchased within 30 days so it must be coming out soon. Since Version 10 works you might want to go ahead and get it, it's very handy for cloning and it's what most forum members recommend. And, sometimes when they go to a new version the first iteration or two is kind of buggy.

Your external USB enclosure should work if it is for an SATA drive which is what should be in your T60. If not, you'll need to get an external enclosure that supports SATA. (I suspect your USB enclosure is not if you have a 30GB drive in it.) If you need another one I recommend a couple that Apricorn sells.

One is a 2.5 drive enclosure, the other is an adapter that fits any SATA or PATA HD connection. The links are below. I like PC Connection but you can find them at other sites as well.
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=6831631
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=7602750

Good luck,
DenTP4rm

sylvain · #23 Post by **sylvain** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:09 pm

GarryF wrote:
sylvain wrote:I have just sended to you me email

Also, does the ThinkVantage button on a T60P is in relation with the MBR, because one of my friends had just installed a clean Vista and he lost the ThinkVantage Menu in Vista...
he needs to install productivity center and other stuff to do with the keyboard

Can you explain more about that plz.

I will install the Thinkpad System Update 3 on his computer and after that, I plan to run the update...

Maybe the Productivity center will be install automatically.

DavidR · #24 Post by **DavidR** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:50 pm

You folks have been a huge help. Many thanks! One more question:

Can I put the drive in the bay that holds my DVD?

DenTP4rm · #25 Post by **DenTP4rm** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:12 am

DavidR wrote:Can I put the drive in the bay that holds my DVD?

Yes, that's your "UltraBay". You'll need an adapter for it. For a SATA drive get this one:
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/L ... 25/H16733/
For a PATA get this one:
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/L ... 48/K32838/
Even though the PATA version is not specifically made for the T60 it will work with it.
DenTP4rm

wearetheborg · #26 Post by **wearetheborg** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:30 am

Now the million dollah question --- is the 7200 rpm drive making any difference in real world usage ?

DavidR · #27 Post by **DavidR** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:23 pm

For anyone looking on ZipZoomFly (where coincidentally is where I bought mine two days ago), the direct link is

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... odlist=msn

sylvain · #28 Post by **sylvain** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:37 pm

wearetheborg wrote:Now the million dollah question --- is the 7200 rpm drive making any difference in real world usage ?

Yeah

If you transfert big files or just doing a Acronis True Image backup, you can have some big time difference between a 5400 vs 7200 RPM.

In fact, you can test the speed difference with hdparm -tT /dev/hdx or hdparm /dev/sdx .

5400 RPM 25 meg/sec
7200 RPM 40 to 50 meg/sec

Hdparm is a linux program that comes with all major distribution :
Suse,Gentoo,Debian,Fedora Core,Ubuntu etc...

wearetheborg · #29 Post by **wearetheborg** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:16 pm

Zaz said some 5400 drives beat some 7200 drives ...

csv96 · #30 Post by **csv96** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:52 am

Got this drive yesterday, along with 4GB RAM. Clean-installed Vista Ultimate x64. Previously installed Core 2 Duo T7600.

Windows Experience Index:
Processor 5.2 (was 4.7 with the stock Core Duo T2500)
RAM 4.7 (was 4.9 with 2 x 1GB, due to slower 533mhz speed when using 2GB SO-DIMMs)
Graphics 4.3
Gaming Graphics 4.6
Primary Disk 5.4 (was 5.0 with the 7K100)

Obviously, not a direct apples to apples comparison as the Windows Experience Index might be different between Vista x86 and Vista x64, but still a nice performance boost according to Windows.

And yes, only 3069MB RAM available to Windows x64.

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