10.5 worth the wait?

[paOol]

I hear leopard is coming out some time in september. is it worth waiting for that instead of dealing with 10.4 right now?
or will there still be the same amount of issues after installing.

im behind and dont even have any version installed yet, but the versions are already at like 10.4.10.

will 10.5 even be compatible right away? or will someone need to hack it first

[FONMaster]

Generally, the builds have been coming out a month or two after they're released for Mac hardware. The team does a great job, but, as with all things of this type, since it's volunteer labour, there will be a bit of a gap. That said, I would expect a large number of changes in 10.5, so I would expect not to see anything until early next year. (Not that I know anything, but just the analysis about what's changed will take some time, I think.

With that said, why not take the plunge now? The Thinkpad is a great machine for OSX, and the team has done a great job (with help from the people on this forum) to get it running. I think you'll find it worth the trouble.

FON

[bonestonne]

only because i'm running my Hack Pro right now, i need to say, don't use software update for a kernel change, it will destroy the OS.

leoppard is 5.7gb, and has not been patched for x86 yet [although is available for ppc].

its a good OS, and has many many fixes that will help everyone, such as being able to scroll through an entire folder in preview, and time machine, however i can't imagine it would be good in x86 at first...let apple work out the kinks first.

[paOol]

yea, i was thinking that if i wait for 10.5 , and the osx86 release version, there would be less kinks to go through if i were to get version 10.4.x right now, and keep updating, and having to update to 10.5 again.

i figure i can be patient.

but, i had another question.
would it better to have windows as my first and primary OS, then install osx86 version,

OR

start with osx86 as the first and primary OS, and then install windows through bootcamp? (i know you can only choose between 32gig partition or split your harddrive 50/50).


the one annoyance of having bootcamp is the need to go to the bootcamp application in either OS, and having to reboot each time you want to get to the next.

[mfbernstein]

but, i had another question.
would it better to have windows as my first and primary OS, then install osx86 version,

OR

start with osx86 as the first and primary OS, and then install windows through bootcamp? (i know you can only choose between 32gig partition or split your harddrive 50/50).


the one annoyance of having bootcamp is the need to go to the bootcamp application in either OS, and having to reboot each time you want to get to the next.

Don't understand what you're saying here. BootCamp is Apple's bootloader/drivers combo. for their Intel Macs. It doesn't run on Hackint0shes. Period.

It really doesn't matter which OS you install first. You can add the other OS to your bootloader later on. As they go, I've found GRUB (from an Ubuntu Linux install) flexible and compatible with every OS I've tried.

FYI, an early alpha of 10.5 has already been cracked.

[FONMaster]

Isn't that 10.5 crack something? Faster than I (obviously) thought...

With that said, I run OSX as my primary OS, and then run XP & Vista on VMWare Fusion virtual machines. I love the setup. It works well for me. One of the things that is important to me is that I have the ability to run a particularly troublesome VPN client, and all of that works just fine as well.

FON

[paOol]

It doesn't run on Hackint0shes. Period.

ah, i didnt know.


i'll have to look into VMWare Fusion a little more. i've heard of it before, but never really knew what it was.

[paOol]

hey FonMaster, i heard you lose some performance by using VMware Fusion, is this true?
like, it lags a little if you are multi tasking alot.

[FONMaster]

hey FonMaster, i heard you lose some performance by using VMware Fusion, is this true? like, it lags a little if you are multi tasking alot.

Well... some of the betas were slow. The released version (starting with B4) have replaced a number of drivers, etc. and performance is pretty good. I don't know that I'd try to do a real-time shooter with it, but it's good enough for me to do email, M$ Office, etc as well as I would with my X41Tablet. I haven't done any benchmarking, all I can do is say that I'm really happy with the setup.

[khyew]

Why not just use Office and read e-mail under OS X?

[mfbernstein]

Why not just use Office and read e-mail under OS X?

Compatibility? Performance?

As regards the original question, Fusion is an excellent program and on dual-core machines, it performs very well. For anything other than 3D graphics and disk intensive applications, it's as good as the real thing. Better, since migrating from one machine to another is as simple as copying over the files of your VM (Virtual Machine). Plus those VMs run under Linux, Windows and OS X.

[FONMaster]

Why not just use Office and read e-mail under OS X?

Here's why I don't. 1) I love the ribbon, and I use Office 2007. (There isn't a mac version yet.) and 2) my company uses Lotus Notes for email and requires a special VPN client. While notes is available for the mac, the vpn client isn't. As such, I must use Windows.

Besides... there are several pieces of software I love on Windows. Software like VideoReDo, Super, and others that cut video easily and quickly. Other stuff, too. It's great to have the option.

Now, if only I were the king.

[blademonkey]

you can run Windows applications without having to install Windows in a VM with this software:

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

I have tried it on the 10.4.10 on my X60 Tablet and it works very well. I have Guildwars running off of it like a charm.

it's good stuff, and it's alot cheaper than any of the other alternatives.
there are some issues with some software (I was not able to run the Office 2007) installs. but the rest run well.

try it out and see if it works for you.

-blademonkey