570 cd-rom/hard drive replacement

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fielden · #1 Post by **fielden** » Wed May 26, 2004 11:36 am

I'm trying to resurrect my 570 to provide to my dad for travel use so he can access e-mail. I want to replace the hard drive which has a bad sector (thorough mode of scandisk freezes at the same sector everytime). Trying to access the floppy drive causes explorer to crash. The drivers for the cd-rom in the ultra-bay seem to have disappeared, so I can't run the recovery cd to get it stable enough to replace things. (This is my first attempt to ever replace a hard drive).

There's nothing on the hard drive of value.

How do I go about overhauling this thing?

Thanks for pointers, tips, tricks,

--fielden

JHEM · #2 Post by **JHEM** » Wed May 26, 2004 12:46 pm

Install the replacement HD and put the recovery CD in. BOOT the system and go into EZSetup (press and hold FI while powering on the unit, release when the memcount completes and you hear the POST beep) and make sure the CD is selected as the first BOOT device.

Restart the unit and the CD will run and install the recovery. If this is a W98 recovery, you'll wind up with a C: partition of 2GB in FAT16 and the rest of the HD in FAT32. A W2K recovery will give you one C: partition in FAT32.

Let us know if this is one of the early W98 machines that didn't have a bootable CD.

Regards,

James

MJC · #3 Post by **MJC** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:48 am

i am in a similar situation, i formated my c: drive because i was getting crashed (blue screen of death - never figuered out what was wrong).

i decided to format and run recovery cd, problem is when i boot (with atapi cdrom selected first bootable drive) i get invalid system disk, repalce disk...

when i boot from my floppy drive and load the backpack drivers and go the the assigned e: (cdrom) drive i get cdr101:not ready reading drive!

i think it could be a probelm witrh the backpack cdrom, but could be wrong. do you have any recommendation/advice? have you seen this problem before?

i would hate to sell my beloved 570 because of this. any help appreciated.

mjc

fielden · #4 Post by **fielden** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:52 pm

I am finally getting back to this project. I ordered a new hard drive last night.

I can get the floppy drive to recognize a floppy.
I cannot get either of the two cd-rom drives recognized. I can't find any sign of a driver for the cd-rom on the computer. I have configured the BIOS to recognize the cd-rom as the first boot drive. I also tried booting from the boot diskette with cd-rom with no success

I don't believe the 570 has EZsetup. When I hold down the F1 key
I end up in the IMB BIOS Setup Utility. Info on the IBM site states:
Run the test in Easy-Setup for ThinkPad 600, 600E, 770, 770E/ED, 770X, and 770Z systems.

I do have a Win98 bootable system recovery CD but how I can get the system to recognize one of the drives? The drives appear to work, I can hear them spin up but the laptop never recognizes them. (I have two cd-rom ultrabay drives)

I've dug through the IBM site and the drivers listed for the 570 are MSDOS and Win 3.1. Are these the correct drivers still under Win 98?

Can I download and install these manually?

Help!?!

JHEM · #5 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:41 pm

Make certain the unit is fully seated on the Ultrabay and the the OS CD is in the drive. No drivers of any kind are required for the following as CD BOOT is supported by the BIOS.

Press and hold F1; then power on the computer. Hold F1 until the MEMCOUNT completes and you hear the POST beep. This will bring up the Easy-Setup (BIOS) welcome screen.

Clicking the STARTUP button will bring up the startup sub-menu. Select Power On and you will get another sub-menu that shows the available devices.

Fly the Birdie to the Reset icon, and click it. This will remove all devices from your start list. Then select, in order, CDROM, FDD, HDD-1. Then OK your way back to RESTART.

If you are unable to complete the above sequences, then you have a BIOS problem and need to upgrade to the latest release.

In order to use a backpack CD drive, you'd have to FORMAT the new HD with a W98 floppy and make it bootable, then load whatever drivers are available for DOS from the drive's manufacturer.

Report back.

Regards,

James

monty cantsin · #6 Post by **monty cantsin** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:46 pm

JHEM wrote:Press and hold F1; then power on the computer. Hold F1 until the MEMCOUNT completes and you hear the POST beep. This will bring up the Easy-Setup (BIOS) welcome screen.

Clicking the STARTUP button will bring up the startup sub-menu. Select Power On and you will get another sub-menu that shows the available devices.

Fly the Birdie to the Reset icon, and click it. This will remove all devices from your start list. Then select, in order, CDROM, FDD, HDD-1. Then OK your way back to RESTART.

If you are unable to complete the above sequences, then you have a BIOS problem and need to upgrade to the latest release.

Nope, he can't complete the above sequences like you mentioned because neither the 570 nor the 570E have the EZ-Setup with the duck you're talking about!

@"fielden":
Are you really sure you have set the boot sequence correctly, i.e., with the optical drive in the first place, as James has suggested? If you have done so, the system should be able to boot from the CD without any further drivers needed. If it still doesn't, the Ultrabase is probably not ok (which is not too uncommon). But this is no big deal, either. Even without a CD-ROM, there are ways to load a new operating system onto the hard drive. Really no need to sell the whole computer just because of that.

See my other posting here for information on how to install even the most recent Microsoft OSes without an optical drive:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=5590

Btw, I'd also recommend you to kick 98 and take Windows 2000 instead. It rocks.

leoblob · #7 Post by **leoblob** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:24 pm

JHEM wrote:In order to use a backpack CD drive, you'd have to FORMAT the new HD with a W98 floppy and make it bootable, then load whatever drivers are available for DOS from the drive's manufacture.

IMHO, this is a good solution. A parallel-port ("Backpack") CD ROM is a good tool to have. I have a "clean" install of WIN98SE on my 365x (that doesn't have any 'built-in' CD) using the exact steps as quoted above. (Don't know about installing later OSs using this method...)

JHEM · #8 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:43 pm

monty cantsin wrote:Nope, he can't complete the above sequences like you mentioned because neither the 570 nor the 570E have the EZ-Setup with the duck you're talking about!

Sorry Monty, I got carried away and confused the 570 with the 600!

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mo ... 0usref.pdf Page 37 of 233.

Regards,

James

Robert Casteel · #9 Post by **Robert Casteel** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:53 am

Dont know if this will help;but I had a problem installing OS on my 560e;which has external cdrom.I had downloaded a bootdisk which supported cdrom but to no avail.a friend (Who is a puter guy)Installed my OS via serial cable.he said even though the driver supported cdrom it still was not recognizing the pcmcia slot which I was using for interface........
Thank God for "Puter Guys" :o)

fielden · #10 Post by **fielden** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:26 am

@"fielden":
Are you really sure you have set the boot sequence correctly, i.e., with the optical drive in the first place, as James has suggested? If you have done so, the system should be able to boot from the CD without any further drivers needed. If it still doesn't, the Ultrabase is probably not ok (which is not too uncommon). But this is no big deal, either. Even without a CD-ROM, there are ways to load a new operating system onto the hard drive. Really no need to sell the whole computer just because of that.

See my other posting here for information on how to install even the most recent Microsoft OSes without an optical drive:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=5590

Btw, I'd also recommend you to kick 98 and take Windows 2000 instead. It rocks.

In the BIOS for Boot it lists
ATAPI CD-ROM Drive
Removable devices (the floppy)
Hard Drive
Network Boot

The floppy in the ultrabase is working. Trying to boot from a win98 boot disk was unsuccesful and generated errors relating to partitioning on the disk, which I assume could be related to the bad sector.

I'm doing Win98 since I don't have a copy of 2000

I am currently getting the following message when I boot with the recovery disk in the cd drive -
IBM IDE CD-ROM Driver Version 3.20
Driver was NOT installed. CD-ROM drive NOT found

C:\>C:\CDROM\MSCDEX.EXE /D:TPCD001 /M:15
Device driver not found: 'TPCD001'.
No valid CDROM device drivers selected

C:\rem C:\CDROM\MSCDEX.EXE

My understanding is the new hard drive, which is 20GB, comes with an update utility for the BIOS.

I looked at the link http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=5590
but I'm not clear on how you install an OS to a hard drive without the CD's.

In the spirit of full disclosure I am not terribly conversant with the details of Windows. I know just enough to be dangerous/destructive.

--J Fielden

fielden · #11 Post by **fielden** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:02 pm

I received the new hard drive today(20 GB Hitachi Travelstar 5400 RPM). Included with it is a floppy that contains EZdrive.

The 570 currently has BIOS version IMET54WW, which according to this site
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.ws ... &loc=en_US
can be updated to version 1.16 (imet65ww).

I assume I need to update the BIOS and use EZdrive so the larger hard drive will be supported (vs. the current dying 4GB drive) by the 570?

If so can I just use the EZdrive to set up the new hard drive, format, partition and install Win98? And then figure out if it's the cd-rom drive, ultrabay or system board that isn't working?

I've been reading through all this different documentation and just want to be clear on exactly what to do in what order so I don't fry anything....

I have a win98 boot disk, win98 cd's and registration key, Thinkpad 570 rescue cd, and 570 device drivers and applications cd. There's no data on the current hard drive to rescue, and the primary need is to get the new hard drive up and running and then figure out what the cd-rom issue is (crossing fingers of course the new drive will fix the issue,).

Thanks for all the information, it has been very much appreciated.

--j fielden

leoblob · #12 Post by **leoblob** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:42 pm

EZ drive will tell you whether or not your current BIOS can handle the full 20GB of the drive. If it can't, then EZ Drive can set up the drive so it works fine with your existing BIOS. If it can handle the whole 20GB, EZ Drive will tell you that, and no BIOS upgrade is required. To me, the beauty of EZ Drive is that it will tell you what's going on, and you can make your decision then, or think about it and start over again later. Of course, in either case, you may choose to upgrade the BIOS, as newer is generally better.

I have used EZ Drive on many desktop computers, and it has worked for me every time. (On some of my desktop computers, even a BIOS upgrade would not allow me to use the whole drive "as is," so I let EZ Drive do its thing...)

fielden · #13 Post by **fielden** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:49 am

Updating the BIOS fixed the cd-rom issue. I was able to install the new hard drive and the OS extremely easily, which of course makes me nervous:-)

After updating the bios, I ran EZ-disk, booted with a Win98 start disk and ran the 570 recovery disk. So far everything seems to be working fine.

Now to install everything else......

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

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