X61 reviewed by T42 owner

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Will a T42 owner be satisfied with a X61?

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X61 reviewed by T42 owner

#1 Post by rhema83 » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:50 am

Alright, here is the long-awaited (did anyone actually look forward to this?) review of my X61. Here are some relevant specs...

Core 2 Duo T7300 2.0GHz 4MB L2 Cache
2*2GB PC2-5300 667GHz RAM (G.Skill, from Newegg)
200GB Hitachi 7K200 16MB Cache HDD (from ZipZoomFly)
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG WLAN
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
Fingerprint Reader
Windows Vista Business x86 (from MSDNAA)

Physical build
The quality is what I expected from Lenovo. The laptop is built sturdy and the hinges feel solid. The laptop cannot be opened with one hand because the resistance of the hinges are too great and the entire laptop will lift up.

One minor annoyance is that if you press on the lid when it's closed, you can move the lid past the closed position. Then when you release it, there will be a popping sound. Also, the left palmrest has flex due to the PC card cavity underneath.

Ergonomics
The TrackPoint is great and feels the same as the one on my T42. The keyboard is a different story. The keys are smaller, have more travel, and are more clunky. They don't necessarily feel worse, just more desktop-like. They are definitely noisier, though. I type lightly and thus prefer the keyboard on my T42, but I will get used to the new one. Also, the fingerprint reader doesn't read well enough and multiple swipes may be necessary for a successful logon.

Here comes my biggest complain: the two USB ports on the right are positioned too close together. The only things that can be plugged in side-by-side are two USB cables. At home, this is not a problem since I connect to a USB hub and plug everything into the hub. When I travel, this becomes a major pain. If I need to copy something from one flash drive to another, I have to either unplug my wireless mouse receiver from the left USB port, or copy the files onto my desktop first.

Performance
Daily tasks like word processing, internet surfing and emailing are performed briskly with little delay. Vista startup and shutdown times are comparable to XP Pro on my T42, maybe faster. Programs start quickly and I haven't had any problems yet. Simulations on MATLAB and MathCAD run faster due to the faster processor. The larger amount of RAM and faster HDD also helps.

Graphics performance is the main weakness of this laptop. While the Aero interface runs smoothly, manipulating 3D objects in engineering programs tends to lag. I also tried running Heroes of Might and Magic V, which is an old DirectX 9 game, and the performance was very poor. At the lowest detail level, no anti-aliasing and no anisotropic filtering, the framerate was unacceptable, especially when there are more objects on the screen.

The XGA screen is brighter than the SXGA+ screen of my T42, but not bright enough for outdoors. The resolution is adequate but not fantastic, especially when it comes to spreadsheets, programming, CAD, and photoshop. An external monitor will be great to have.

The battery life, on the other hand, is impressive. The 4-cell battery gives me more than 3 hours of use with WLAN on and screen brightness at 3/15. Even with screen brightness at max, the battery still last over 2 hours 30 minutes.

Also, the WLAN and BT work flawlessly. I can connect to wireless networks easily and have never had a dropped connection. The BT also paired with my Motorola RAZR and HS850 headset smoothly. I can transfer data and talk on Skype with no problem.

On the issue of heat, the palmrest above the HDD becomes warm after some time, but I can use the laptop on my lap for extended periods of time without cooking my thighs.

Summary
I am satisfied with my X61 for what I paid, and it exceeded my expectations of an ultraportable. It does its job really well, and makes bringing a laptop around so much less burdensome. It is my main computer now, although I still have my T42 at home for more graphics-intensive uses. I plan sell my T42 and replace it with a desktop workstation, though. I am also planning to test Vista Business x64 to see what kind of performance gain I will get with 1GB more of available RAM and 64-bit processing.
I currently use a pretty well-spec'ed T42. Here are the performance related specs:
Pentium M 735 1.7GHz (2MB L2 Cache)
2GB RAM and 7K60 HDD
ATi Mobility Radeon 9600 64MB driving a 14.1" SXGA+ TFT LCD

I was going to buy a X61T SXGA+ but held it off because of the bezel problem. My other alternative is to go with the X61. I need the computing power so I am not going to get the S model. Here are the performance-related specs:
Core 2 Duo T7500 NV 2.2GHz (What does NV stand for anyway?)
4GB RAM and 7K200 HDD (Gotta love Newegg)
Intel X3100 driving a 12.1" XGA STD LCD
No Turbo Memory

Will I be satisfied with my purchase? I always thought I need the GPU power but I haven't played a single game in ages. I mainly use MSOffice, MATLAB and MathCad simulations. I do some casual photoshop. AutoCAD will be part of my work next year and it will be a mix of 2D and 3D.

The reason why I am not going for the T61p (obvious choice for CAD) is weight. I have to carry my laptop and various documents around, and the 5-lb T42 is already bothering me.

Existing owners (especially engineers and architects), care to shed some light on my situation?
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#2 Post by spune » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:55 pm

I think you'll be very satisfied with the X61. I have a X61s for school and I love it a lot. I didn't need the CPU power so I bought the 's' for better battery life and a cooler CPU.

I suggest sticking with XP Pro for better compatibility, especially if this is for school.

edit: You might want to play around in XGA in your current laptop before you decide on the X61, as it is only available in XGA resolution.

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#3 Post by awolfe63 » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:01 pm

I am a long-time T42 user and I got my X61s yesterday. It's pretty good. The only downside is no DVI for my desktop monitor. Unless you use a large monitor often, I would not hesitate. It is plenty fast and much lighter.

I got mine with XP pro. As far as I can tell from my one-machine sample (a toshiba) - Vista is a PITA.
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#4 Post by bigwormie » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:51 am

I went from a t40 2.0 dothan 2gb ram to x61t and am very happy with the choice.
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#5 Post by iamdmc » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:45 pm

I went from an Dell Inspiron 4100 (its thinkpad equivalent would be a T23) to an X61s. Needless to say, I'm much happier with the X61s. However, this wasn't the only Thinkpad I've ever come across. I bought a T23 for my brother and one for my grandmother, then this year I sold both and bought my grandmother a T41. I also bought an X31 for my folks (which is currently traveling with them somewhere in Italy)

The T23's were good for their time, but pretty crappy in the long run. One bricked up, and the other just overheated like crazy.

The T41 is awesome. It's lighter, got better battery life, better screen, and I see many years of use coming out of it.

The X31 - a legend - is everything you could want in an Ultraportable. It was this laptop that helped me to make the decision to buy the X61s.

Sure there are a few things I'd change about the X61s, but it's a great laptop - far better than anything else on the market.

I'd highly recommend.
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#6 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:46 pm

You may have a serious issue with the lack of desktop real estate when going from 14" SXGA+ to 12" XGA...apart from that, you should be fine...

And, hopefully, X61 runs cooler than its parent...
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#7 Post by rhema83 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:52 pm

Thank you for your replies. Took the plunge today and bought a X61. I got the T7300 since the next step up was $120 more.

7675CTO LENOVO THINKPAD X61 7675 - NO CPU - 12.1" TFT $884.40
1 42V8012 VBB MS WIN VISTA HOME BASIC $0.00
1 42X0367 SBB MSWINVISHOMB32 US ENGLISH $0.00
1 41W2060 VBB 1GB PC2-5300 667MHZ 1DIMM $0.00
1 42X0133 SBB KEYBOARD US ENGLISH $0.00
1 42X1459 SBB TRACKPOINT W FINGERPR.READ $0.00
1 42V9140 SBB 80GB HDD,5400RPM ATA 2.5" $0.00
1 62P6054 VBB INTEGR.BLUETOOTH PAN $0.00
1 41W1501 SBB INTELPRO/WL3945ABGUSCNLAAP $0.00
1 41W1831 SBB 4CELL LI-ION BATTERY 2.6AH $0.00
1 41W1787 SBB CPK NORTH AMERICA $0.00
1 42X0202 SBB LANG.PACK_US ENGLISH $0.00

$955 after tax. Not bad at all. Will report my upgrade experience when I receive the laptop, and another one when I get my 7K200 HDD, 3GB total RAM and do a clean install of Vista Business on it.
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#8 Post by wolfman » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:10 pm

Just noticed in the product spec list they have Vista home basic listed and you mentioned doing a fresh install of Vista business - just pointing that out in case you didn't notice...:)
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#9 Post by iamdmc » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:42 pm

Haha, no he noticed ;)
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#10 Post by rhema83 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:49 pm

wolfman wrote:Just noticed in the product spec list they have Vista home basic listed and you mentioned doing a fresh install of Vista business - just pointing that out in case you didn't notice...:)
Good observation! :P Fortunately, I have a Vista Business (both 32-bit and 64-bit) license courtesy of MSDNAA. It's good to be a student sometimes. I will probably install the 32-bit since there are still problems with the 64-bit drivers.
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#11 Post by Puppy » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:38 pm

XGA resolution is the main drawback. It is unusable these days.

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#12 Post by pianowizard » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:06 pm

Puppy wrote:XGA resolution is the main drawback. It is unusable these days.
I voted "No" for exactly that reason.
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#13 Post by bill bolton » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:43 pm

Puppy wrote:It is unusable these days.
XGA on a 12" 4:3 screen is very usable in my experience.

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#14 Post by pianowizard » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:53 pm

bill bolton wrote:XGA on a 12" 4:3 screen is very usable in my experience.
I understand that many people find XGA good enough. But the OP's poll question is "Will I be satisfied", not whether the rest of us would be satisfied. Considering that he has been using SXGA+ on his T42 and will be losing 46.5% of real estate after switching to an X61, I suspect he will miss the T42's higher res.
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#15 Post by bill bolton » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:02 pm

pianowizard wrote:But the OP's poll question is "Will I be satisfied", not whether the rest of us would be satisfied.
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#16 Post by rhema83 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:43 pm

pianowizard wrote:I understand that many people find XGA good enough. But the OP's poll question is "Will I be satisfied", not whether the rest of us would be satisfied. Considering that he has been using SXGA+ on his T42 and will be losing 46.5% of real estate after switching to an X61, I suspect he will miss the T42's higher res.
You are scaring me before my X61 arrives! :? But yeah, 1024x768 really doesn't sound exciting to me. I tried it on my T42 for a few minutes and couldn't take it anymore (partly also because it is not the native resolution). I guess I got to sacrifice some things for the light weight, and they happen to be the optical drive and screen resolution.

I am sure if my need for resolution becomes really great, I'll get a big LCD monitor.
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#17 Post by Puppy » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:14 am

I went for a refubrished X31 rather than a new X model. I just wanted to try that size. I really like the size and the keyboard but the display resolution (together with horrible lcd panel quality) is enough for reading emails, IMs and basic web site browsing only. It is impossible to do any work (I'm software developer) at such low resolution even with small font size. I still don't get why Lenovo is unable to offer better resolution option.

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#18 Post by pianowizard » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:46 am

rhema83 wrote:You are scaring me before my X61 arrives!
ajkula66 already warned you about it on Oct 13! Hopefully your satisfaction with the reduced weight will more than compensate for your dissatisfaction with the low resolution.
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#19 Post by rhema83 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:36 am

pianowizard wrote:ajkula66 already warned you about it on Oct 13! Hopefully your satisfaction with the reduced weight will more than compensate for your dissatisfaction with the low resolution.
Yes I read it and remembered it. Travel weight is a huge factor for me, though. Enough to sway me from T61p to X61. You guys have been very supportive. I will definitely post a conclusive review to my X61, which hopefully will be a good reference for potential T4x to X6x upgraders.

On a happier note, I called Lenovo today and they said the ordering process went smoothly and my order was released for manufacturing yesterday. In addition, all the parts required for my laptop is available because I didn't specify anything "special". (Needless to say, anything "special" will be purchased from Newegg instead.)
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#20 Post by dr_st » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:28 pm

Puppy wrote:I still don't get why Lenovo is unable to offer better resolution option.
No 12" 4:3 panels with >XGA have ever been made that I know of, with the exception of the SXGA+ tablet panel. I think WXGA @1280x800 would be a good compromise, but the X series will have to go wide for that.

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#21 Post by rhema83 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:03 pm

Updated with a review, please see the first post!
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#22 Post by iamdmc » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:22 am

The keyboard will become quieter with use. There's a wear-in period. I'm sure your T42 was a bit louder when you first got it than it is now.
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#23 Post by gunston » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:40 am

X61 still the preferable choice...!
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2. X60s 1703-CA3 powerful

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