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Rochefort · #31 Post by **Rochefort** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:16 am

ThinkPad R wrote: even if they might look all squarely (& perhaps old-fashioned to some ppl)

Like that one !!!?

ThinkPad R · #32 Post by **ThinkPad R** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:24 am

No. I was just quoting some ppl who said that ThinkPads seemed unacttractive b/c they're all squarely & black - no shiny silver, etc.

Rochefort · #33 Post by **Rochefort** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:42 am

ThinkPad R wrote:No. I was just quoting some ppl who said that ThinkPads seemed unacttractive b/c they're all squarely & black - no shiny silver, etc.

Taste'n colors............ !
I love my boxies black TPs since 1997 with a 380 !

rleo25 · #34 Post by **rleo25** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:24 pm

Hope not to see those "Victorian" laptops ever, the one in the pic should have been stolen from an Adam´s family set.... arrrrgh!

Aramitz · #35 Post by **Aramitz** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:48 am

rleo25 wrote:Hope not to see those "Victorian" laptops ever, the one in the pic should have been stolen from an Adam´s family set.... arrrrgh!

With a horn on each side it'll enjoy a texan office

mattbiernat · #36 Post by **mattbiernat** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:51 pm

IMO this looks more like N series than a thinkpad. and the touchpad seems even more flimsy.

Bata21c · #37 Post by **Bata21c** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:18 pm

Afternoon All,

As a Military Mom,two sons, Barksdale Airforce Base, the new inovations Lenovo are making are great..

But, how useful will this be for our defenses? I have served holiday meals to soldiers of all ages.

For Hurricane Lili I was evacuated to BAFB. brought my pots, stayed home for Katrina and Rita..

The Thinkpad was the laptop of choice but the goverment would not feel safe using them for military purposes..

As a r40 user, I can not get support from IBM or Lenovo..

As MoMs of Military Soldiers, every nation has MoMs, they are all our sons.

Pax!
Bata21c

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mattbiernat · #38 Post by **mattbiernat** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:10 pm

to tell you the truth guys i kind of like some of the concepts in the new design.
1. the new buttons are finally black and not ugly silver
2. the power button got a new nicer shape.
3. the hinges look more similar to T23 and IMO look better.
4. the position of indicators also appeals to me.
of course a couple of important things are missing but im sure they would be included in the final design. I also don't like the idea of it being rugged but maybe some of the design features found on this picture will be present in T62.

XiP · #39 Post by **XiP** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:41 pm

A lot of companies give outside technicians and equipment installers Panasonic Toughbooks. If Lenovo can market this product and build it right they should gain a lot of marketshare in that market.

ducky2802 · #40 Post by **ducky2802** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:46 pm

the bumps are on the casing are most likely there to distribute the weight around and make the computer able to withstand direct loads on the relatively large flat screen surface. Its a very simple and effective way to keep flat surfaces from bending too much under loading.

And while I do question the need for a rugged PC, the fact is, Thinkpads are world renowned for their durability and reliability... two things that a rugged PC needs. Then again, I heard that the US doesnt use thinkpads anymore because its now a chinese company... but they do purchase a whole lot of dells (as if they arent SOMEHOW tied into china...

ajkula66 · #41 Post by **ajkula66** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:14 am

ToughBooks are grossly overrated, as is the potential market for "field" notebooks...my opinion only.

Many companies are now "giving" or "assigning" CF-18 ToughBooks to their employees...not telling them about the GPS chip that most of them have inside...a great way to monitor and fire people...BTW, I refused to accept mine...it's a cute little machine, though, with a horrible keyboard...

ThinkPads of yesteryear, mainly T2x series, have been-and some still are-in use by ConEd, Verizon and NYPD, with excellent results. And, apart from downright wartime use, it doesn't get much worse than that...

Let's face it: it's NOT about quality. It's about who you know and who you.... to get yourself a deal. And that can get quite hilarious.

The team that I belong to goes out in the field with a combination of CF-18 and CF-28 ToughBooks (the latter has, by far, the worst touchpad I've ever tested) and the management has CF-73s (I believe that's the model #, nice and thin these are) which are fairly decent machines. Two doors down, people have 15" and above HPs, very pretty looking, but next to the last thing that you want to be dragging around with 20 + lbs of tools already on your back...

BTW, all of the above is being used to move "virtual cross-connections" and program routers...I'm far from being a genius, but my 7-year old T20 does the trick just as well...and apart from one dead pixel and wear on the lid, has no issues to report after all that time.

Panasonic has "invented" the field notebook, and has done well selling crap (my opinion) to large businesses, government included. ThinkPads have always been classy
laptops regardless of daily use that one would ascribe to them. By trying to compete with Panasonic, Lenovo may gain a few big deals, but is likely to lose many devoted long-time ThinkPad users.

All of this is obviously just my $0.02

f.bazyk · #42 Post by **f.bazyk** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:44 am

There's even NO TRACKPOINT

pianowizard · #43 Post by **pianowizard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:08 am

f.bazyk wrote:There's even NO TRACKPOINT

I've found that when the touchpad is used properly, it's actually more efficient than the trackpoint, and also less taxing on the fingers. It just takes a little longer to learn to use the touchpad than the trackpoint. So, there's no need to cry!

qviri · #44 Post by **qviri** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:30 am

pianowizard wrote:I've found that when the touchpad is used properly, it's actually more efficient than the trackpoint, and also less taxing on the fingers. It just takes a little longer to learn to use the touchpad than the trackpoint.

Do share this proper technique, please...

pianowizard · #45 Post by **pianowizard** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:06 pm

qviri wrote:Do share this proper technique, please...

For starters, don't use one hand to press the buttons and the other to touch the touchpad. Instead, do both with the same hand, leaving the other hand on the keyboard. This is not easy to do and it took me several weeks before I started to feel comfortable doing it. But once I mastered it, I have been using it faster than the trackpoint.

dr_st · #46 Post by **dr_st** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:16 am

pianowizard wrote:I've found that when the touchpad is used properly, it's actually more efficient than the trackpoint

Only true if the trackpoint is used improperly. A touchpad cannot give the same combination of speed and precision that a trackpoint can, under any circumstances.

pianowizard wrote:For starters, don't use one hand to press the buttons and the other to touch the touchpad. Instead, do both with the same hand, leaving the other hand on the keyboard.

This is fairly obvious. Of course, it's more taxing on the fingers than a trackpoint, because one of your fingers is constantly moving, and another (or two), on the buttons, has to stay put.

pianowizard · #47 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:25 am

dr_st wrote:Only true if the trackpoint is used improperly. A touchpad cannot give the same combination of speed and precision that a trackpoint can, under any circumstances.

I don't see how one can use the trackpoint improperly. It's far more intuitive than the touchpad. I preferred the trackpoint to the touchpad for two years because it was easier to learn how to use the former. I was forced to give touchpads a try only when I got a Dell Inspiron 700m, which only came with a touchpad.

dr_st wrote:This is fairly obvious.

It's actually not that obvious. I've seen many people use both hands -- I just saw my boss do that two days ago. In fact, when I first started using the touchpad, I used both hands too, until I saw my cousin do it the right way. And simply knowing the right way isn't enough, because one needs to keep practicing for a long time before one can take full advantage of the touchpad.

dr_st wrote:Of course, it's more taxing on the fingers than a trackpoint, because one of your fingers is constantly moving, and another (or two), on the buttons, has to stay put.

One needs to press harder to move the trackpoint. Also, pressing against the trackpoint for extended periods hurts the fingertip. I agree that the finger is constantly moving while using the touchpad, but such motion can be minimized by setting the speed of the pointer at maximum. Even on my 2048x1536 R50p, I don't have to move my finger much on the touchpad.

BOTTOM LINE: The touchpad seems less efficient than the trackpoint only because it has a longer learning curve. People who don't want to spend months practicing using it will prefer the trackpoint. Of course, that's just my opinion.

qviri · #48 Post by **qviri** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:49 am

pianowizard wrote:One needs to press harder to move the trackpoint. Also, pressing against the trackpoint for extended periods hurts the fingertip.

Which trackpoint caps were you using? My soft rim requires barely any force to register, and I can't say I've had it hurt my fingertip before.

I can see how a trackpoint would be less convenient on BBQWXGA

than on my XGA screen though.

pianowizard · #49 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:00 am

qviri wrote:Which trackpoint caps were you using? My soft rim requires barely any force to register, and I can't say I've had it hurt my fingertip before.

Soft Rim is also my favorite. I agree it doesn't require much force, but the touchpad requires even less. Soft Rim doesn't hurt the fingertip on most newer Thinkpads, but they do on many older Thinkpads which have stiffer trackpoints. On the other hand, the Classic Dome and Soft Dome always hurt regardless of the age of the Thinkpad.

Rochefort · #50 Post by **Rochefort** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:13 pm

Is anyone here has tried the HP blue trackPoint ?
Is it better/worse than the red one !?

According to me, a trackpoint is far better, useful, quicker and, in fine, much more precise than the touchpad.
On my UXGA screen, I can work easily'n quickly on a single pixel in a picture

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