Am I the only one who would fork over 200+ for a real LCD?

[Crunch]

BTW BoeHydis still have 15" AFFS SXGA+ and UXGA panels in their catalog...

I particularly drooled when reading...

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_05.asp

I didn't know they were the INVENTOR, and award winner, of this gorgeous screen. Are they still producing them?

Mass production in '06. GOOD! Plenty available for warranty issues. Where's the guy who successfully put a 14.1" T61p motherboard in a 15" T60p? Hmm...Time to buy every last one I can find up it looks like...

[Proteus]

I honestly don't see the complaint. I migrated from a T41p with IPS screen, to a T61p with the LG WSXGA+, and have never been happier. The new screen is much brighter, and has a MUCH faster refresh rate than the old IPS screen, which used to ghost on movies. Yes, IPS had better viewing angles...the better for my seatmate on airline flights to look at!

[pianowizard]

I honestly don't see the complaint. I migrated from a T41p with IPS screen, to a T61p with the LG WSXGA+, and have never been happier.

IPS was never available on the T41p. If you really owned a T41p and didn't mind its TN screen, then of course you would not mind the T61p's WSXGA+ screen.

[Crunch]

Yes, IPS had better viewing angles...the better for my seatmate on airline flights to look at!

No kidding. On a flight from JFK to Tokyo, the guy next to me wanted a headset, as I was apparently watching a movie he had always wanted to see. He ended up watching it by himself...what an awesome flight that was...

IPS was never available on the T41p. If you really owned a T41p and didn't mind its TN screen, then of course you would not mind the T61p's WSXGA+ screen.

I second that motion.

[Proteus]

Wow..you're right. I always thought it had Flexview, simply because it was such a big improvement over my old A31p at the time (which apparently did have flexview/ips). My R50p with QXGA is also flexview. Either way, I stand by what I said. The Flexview screens were significantly dimmer, and had lower response times, than the T61p. Since I'm not a graphic artist, and use it for work gaming (where response time is critical), and movies, I'm pretty happy.

If flexview were so wonderful, it would be a lot more common, instead of being relegated to the dustbins of history.....

[Crunch]

If flexview were so wonderful, it would be a lot more common, instead of being relegated to the dustbins of history.....

Have you ever seen a Flexview next to a non-Flexview? I'm glad you're happy, so all is cool! I'm starting, and I can't believe I'm saying this, to get into a little bit of gaming because of Flexview and my high-end video card that will borrow up to a gig of regular RAM for the craziest, fastest gaming I've seen. Ever.

I've been out of the loop for a long time. What are some of the current must-have games? Thanks!

[Proteus]

I have...my old A31p looked significantly dimmmer than my T41p..and completely dull vs my new T61p.

Of course, its a moot point. From what I can see, Flexview is no longer offered on ANY of the high end thinkpad models (or any at all), so its a dead issue now.

[pae77]

Well there are still some pretty high end (although not sporting the very latest chipset) T60's with C2D CPU's floating around that have Flexview screens, so I think a lot of folks in this forum would probably take issue with that last comment.

[Proteus]

The T60 is obsolete, they're just getting rid of old stock now.
Yes, you can still buy them on ebay, or lenovo closeout, but why would you? The ATI 5250 is rather pathetic compared to the Quadro 570m, and the system is quite a bit slower overall.

But, I guess some people have different priorities.
If I really need a better display, I'll hookup to WUXGA 24" monitor on my desk.

[bill bolton]

But, I guess some people have different priorities.

If I really need a better display, I'll hookup to WUXGA 24" monitor on my desk.

Well said!

Cheers,

Bill B.

[pae77]

I just think it's a little premature to call the T60 series "obsolete." They still work quite well after all. They just are no longer cutting edge. Won't be long before my nice new T61p is in the same boat.

Now my old T42p is clearly obsolete, although it still works.

[bill bolton]

I just think it's a little premature to call the T60 series "obsolete."

Obsolete:

• Outmoded in design, style, or construction
  
  Of a kind or style no longer current

In a world which seem to be picking up speed towards pervasive 64 bit general purpose computing, any system which isn't fully functional for 64 bit software is necessarily obsolete in term of technology, no matter how useful it might be in terms of application.

Cheers,

Bill B.

[pae77]

Don't want to quibble but, Webster says:
". . .1 a: no longer in use or no longer useful <an obsolete word> b: of a kind or style no longer current . . ." (Emphasis added.) http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/obsolete

and that's the definition I used in my previous post as, clearly, the T60 is still a very useful piece of equipment that is still in widespread use.

[Crunch]

I respect your subjective opinion. Many T60/p owners have warranty close to 2010. Hardly obsolete. I wouldn't even say that the T42/T43's are either. So long as one's system does what they their respective owners need them to do, they are not obsolete. That is my subjective opinion.

My friend with his, granted, beautiful Macbook, constantly calls my Vista Ultimate something similar. What is this, some east coast/west coast rapper's war? haha...Although I did send him a link to an article when Vista alone, at only 8%, surpassed Apple as far as market share. I couldn't help myself. There was a pie chart and everything...

[dr_st]

I have...my old A31p looked significantly dimmmer than my T41p..and completely dull vs my new T61p.

Flexview screens are not dimmer than non-Flexview. However, two things are true: new models generally tend to come with brighter screens, and the brightness of the screen generally diminishes with time. This would explain why your A31p looked really dim compared to a T41p, and most certainly to a T61p, Flexview or not.

I am typing here on a T42 Flexview, which is several months old (screen was replaced under warranty due to a weird defect). This screen looks significantly brighter than my old Flexview (same model), which was ~2.5 years old at time of replacement. Nothing strange here.

Furthermore, Flexviews have been in the past rated brighter than non-Flexview screens in equivalent models, although that in itself does not mean much. On average they were maybe only slightly brighter. For everyday work, it does not matter, because most laptop screens these days are rated ~200nits, whereas for comfortable work (say word processing) it would be too high (100nit is recommended). If I set my T42 screen to max brightness it almost hurts my eyes, even in a well-lit room.

The comment about response time is true, however, as response time of newer screens is always shorter than that of older screens.

[Troels]

Dr_st,
The screens do not reach much more than 175 cd/m^2, i think it's dependent of the inverter mainly, which seem to be a very custom design.

For the first time, i saw a 15.4" T61p yesterday. Immediate visible to the eye was a not uniformly lit screen with heavy backlight leakage in the bottom. Why someone could accept this disaster is beyond my belief, i wouldn't. Not even for casual work - to inefficient.

Lenovo said they were trying to find new manufacturers or alternatives to TN or the old IPS? What has happened?
Not a word yet...

IMO, the T61 series is not much great invention. It was the first available on the market, so it is bound to have problems. Fair enough - but it is simply unacceptable that the issues still aren't fixed. I.e.:
How anyone can appreciate the quadro 570m i can't say - as it seems now, there's a large thread consisting of problems regarding graphics stability, quite a few threads on seriousvista problems.
Not exactly reliable systems, as thinkpads were said to be.

[bill bolton]

Don't want to quibble

Hmmmmm......

and that's the definition I used in my previous post

It's clear enough from the context that it was not the definition that Proteus was using!

[ajkula66]

Back to the original thread/thought: I'd pay it in a heartbeat. And I'd pay a lot more for a 15" to be available again...

[hippy chick]

Then everyone would be happy. I have a one and a half year old sony sz1, and the screen is lightyears better than my T61P. I am starting to get used to the T61P screen now, but it is a big step down and not one i expected....So if Lenovo are smart enough to check out the Forum...Take note and do the Math!

[sugo]

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[Puppy]

I am starting to get used to the T61P screen now, but it is a big step down and not one i expected....So if Lenovo are smart enough to check out the Forum...Take note and do the Math!

I understand your frustration but I don't see any solution

There is similar thread on Lenovo forum http://forum.lenovo.com/lnv/board/messa ... ead.id=144 where Matt Kohut from Lenovo posted a comment.

[lmwong]

Yes I do have to agree with the poor LCD quality. I've noticed this on my week old T61. Coming off an old G4 12" apple and using a Dell 2407 for my PC desktop, the T61 is a bit of a disappointment.

Has anyone else fiddled with the LCD brightness setting in the BIOS. It is considerably brighter, but I wonder how this is achieved and at what cost (ie. color quality, washout), obviously battery life.

Anyone know if a non-lenovo 14.1" monitor can be retrofitted/installed.

[Keyone]

So is there no reliable supplier of good 14.1" SXGA+ LCDs that are guaranteed high quality - non of these hoping to get a non-Samsung screens (which apparently is what I have on my T61p when I get it)? For whatever reason, I saw someone on eBay selling SXGA+ glossy LCDs for T61s. Not that I would buy a glossy, but I find it strange that it is available...