T22 - I got it for free! (Pictures inside)

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MintyMadness · #1 Post by **MintyMadness** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:46 pm

I had just received a 600 and decided to give it away on here last night... Friend of a friend gave me this T22 yesterday, knew I am a "geek" and asked if I wanted it. For free? sure!!

So here it is..

The good..
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180016.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180015.jpg

The bad..
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180011.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180014.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180013.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180012.jpg

The ugly....
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180017.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180018.jpg

It currently has no:
-Battery
-Memory
-Optical (the one you see is from my wife's T30)
-Hard drive
-Hard drive caddy or cover
-RAM cover

It's keyboard is busted up pretty good, but it still works. I powered it on, last night and got a bunch of beep codes, but nothing on screen. I want to try it again with an external display tonight.

What do you guys think? I need a laptop for around the house so I can still work on my website, whilst I'm doing husbandly/fatherly things, or just for when I don't feel like sitting at my desk... I had a 600E originally back in '99. It got traded for a T23 in 2000, which I gave to my dad and it's still running strong

What all is available for me to do with this thing?

Thanks for looking!

-Jeremy

Note from Moderator: Kudos for putting a warning, but the rule also requires images to be <50k.

#2 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:26 pm

You need at least 1 stick of low-density PC100 memory (max. is 2x256MB) to stop the beeping at bootup.
There are so many parts missing...
If you can find the lot here (or on eBay) for less than $100.- it would still be worth it.
Beg/steal/borrow 1 memory stick first, to see if you can boot into the BIOS, which would also show you how the screen situation is.
If the screen is bad as well, flog it for parts.

Check here with the Product number (Type/Model) from the bottom to see what was in it originally:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... eLenovo.do

BillD · #3 Post by **BillD** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:06 pm

Somebody take a hammer to that keyboard?

Check ebay and see if you can get another 'for parts or repair' T series and combine the 2 machines to make one.

If the screen is good on this T22..Then try to get another T series that has a bad screen cheap...Parts machine without a good screen usually go for less $'s..Then use every thing from the other one to fix this one.

MintyMadness · #4 Post by **MintyMadness** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:15 pm

awesome thanks for hte replies!

I was told the screen was not working, but when I dissassembled it 30 or so minutes ago, I noticed someone forgot to reattach the ribbon cable to the LCD.... so of course it wouldn't work!

Will this machine still post, without RAM? I'm pretty sure I can find at least a 64MB stick or so.. something to see what it does as far as booting up.

I can also scavenge a 30GB+ hdd from some of the older "jetbooks" we have here at work (i would get ram from them, but they use DDR)

Screen is in really good condition cosmetically, considering the keyboard looks like "someone took a hammer to it" (lol I have to agree with that one)

Another question - Will these things take a tualitin core P3? (1.26Ghz / 512K L2) If so, I have 3 or 4 of those laying around from my home servers that aren't being used.. If not, what's the highest Proc I can go on the 22? The 23 my dad has had a 1.13Ghz P3 in it..

Sorry for all of the questions

Now, for more pics! (I know how much forum people love pics..)

Here it is dissassembled. I trashed the keyboard and the palmrest.. they were so destroyed it was rediculous.. Someone actually used "scotch tape" around the power button.. I mean duct tape I would understand, you know? "If you can't duct it.....____ it.." lol

-Jeremy

the data from the back of the LCD panel
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180023.jpg

The LCD itself
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180022.jpg

Where the invertor is sitting
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180021.jpg

the gutz
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180020.jpg

more gutz
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z40/ ... 180019.jpg

Why is 512MB the limit for ram on this unit? I would think that, that limitation could be a quick BIOS fix?

Note from Moderator: Not at >200k each, we don't love them.

Phazer · #5 Post by **Phazer** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:56 pm

If the palmrest was busted, check the optical drive bay cage at the RH rear corner, (by the RH hinge). Look straight down at the little tab that has a screw coming in from the back side. That tab breaks and ultimatley causes all sorts of havoc. My personal opinion is it's caused by "very" tight hinges. Try oiling or loosen the hinges a itty-bitty bit, (major pain), if this tab is broke. Either that or never try to close the lid. I've had/seen about four of these Txx do this.

MOBO will only accept 100mhz FSB on the memory, max CPU is 1.0g and can be hard to find at a resonable price. T23's CPU won't interchange.

IMHO.....a T23 is soooooooooo... much better, (but suffers from the tight hinge syndrome also).

And the T22's also suffer from the BOD.

Just my .02 worth.

#6 Post by **carbon_unit** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:46 pm

If you are going to be working on this very much the Hardware Maintenance Manual will show you how to get it apart and back together properly. http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 39298.html
If the previous owner would have used it there probably wouldn't be so much damage on the T22.

ThinkPad · #7 Post by **ThinkPad** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:50 pm

Not bad. A little TLC should have it running good.

flashstar · #8 Post by **flashstar** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:49 pm

ThinkPad wrote:Not bad. A little TLC should have it running good.

That and a ton of $$$.

If I were you, I would send a message to lady_fixalot on Ebay. I'm sure that you could get all of that fixed for less than $100 from her. The most expensive part is probably the LCD. My T23 was stepped on, but being a Thinkpad it only had relatively minor damage. I got the screen replaced though with a new one for $60. Then I got a new keyboard, battery, I/O sub card/ board, CDC ethernet card, and AC adaptor for $40.

The hard drive and ram will be about $110 together if you need to buy new.

#9 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:03 am

To get the screen going, you MUST insert any size RAM stick of the correct type. Otherwise you can NOT see anything.
And 512MB is the max for that type T22. No chance to change that.

MintyMadness · #10 Post by **MintyMadness** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:39 pm

Will this unit only take 256MB chips, or will a single 512mb stick work as well?

I had to order a new keyboard for this thing.. The old keyboard + palmrest pretty much disintegrated when I dissassembled the machine. All the well. I saw someone used "scotch tape" to try to jimmy-rig the keyboard

All in All I think I fared out well on the Keyboard.. I got it on ebay for 16$ (shipping included) and it is sealed in plastic bag, brand new.

The reason I asked about the ram, is a friend of mine has a stick of PC-133 512 that he said I can use to test, but if it won't work, I don't want to waste my time, you know?

Thanks!

-Jeremy

#11 Post by **rkawakami** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:09 pm

Max is 256MB per slot. AND you have to use "low density" modules at that (16 chips for a 256MB stick). Nobody (as far as I know) ever made a 1.25" high, low density, 512MB SODIMM.

MintyMadness · #12 Post by **MintyMadness** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:20 pm

flashstar wrote:
ThinkPad wrote:Not bad. A little TLC should have it running good.
That and a ton of $$$.

If I were you, I would send a message to lady_fixalot on Ebay. I'm sure that you could get all of that fixed for less than $100 from her. The most expensive part is probably the LCD. My T23 was stepped on, but being a Thinkpad it only had relatively minor damage. I got the screen replaced though with a new one for $60. Then I got a new keyboard, battery, I/O sub card/ board, CDC ethernet card, and AC adaptor for $40.

The hard drive and ram will be about $110 together if you need to buy new.

Sorry to respond to this message so late, but I must have totally skipped it before today. I apologize!

I really don't think it will be a "ton" of money. I also believe that I could still sell this after I am done rebuilding it for more than what I put into it. I wouldn't consider my time as $$ doing this, just because it is more of a labor of love for me... I may be young at 21, but when you older gens were pickig up a 486 for the first time, so was I

My dad got me an 8086 machine that I still have back home in Houston TX (born and raised

). It is sitting next to a "mint condish' " Commodore

Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent there, but I feel that I can piece this thing back together with little more than 75-100$ out of my own pocket.. Once it is up and running with new parts, and running clean and cool, it will boost it's worth a lot more..

My wife wants an extra battery, so I will get one of those for her T30 for next to nothing.. I will use her DVDROM on my T22 in the meantime... I have a few P3's laying around.. One of them being a tualitin core. (although I know that won't work on the T22.)

My dad has my old T23 (2647-hnu ? ithink?), with 1GB of ram. When he's done with it (soon) I will get it back from him I'm sure. will get that one a new keyboard and probably hard drive, and then sell both of them as a bundle deal. Then I will get myself an X series or the like

-Jeremy

MintyMadness · #13 Post by **MintyMadness** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:08 am

Now I know the max FSB on this T22 is 100Mhz, but these things are backward cmpatible from what I know...

Is this going to work? it's a little bit above 1.0ghz, but it's the 512K of L2 cache I am eyeballing more than the Mhz/Ghz:

Spec #:
SL5CK

Processor Frequency:
1.13 GHz

Package Type:
478 pin PPGA

Bus Speed:
133 MHz

Core Stepping:
FPA1

L2 Cache Size:
512KB

Core Voltage:
1.500

Thermal Guideline:
20.5W

Thermal Spec:
100° C

Manufacturing Technology:
0.13 micron

Bus/Core Ratio:
7.5

Pulled from a Dell 8100.. Am I still reaching too far even with 1.13Ghz?

Thanks!
-Jeremy

MintyMadness · #14 Post by **MintyMadness** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:27 am

Never-the-mind.. I just bought one of those P3 1.0ghz mobile CPU's w/512K L2 for 16$

http://tinyurl.com/2o5uck

Is that a good deal?

Just got off the phone with another tech-head buddy of mine. He says he has at least 1 if not more 256mb low density PC100 Notebook memory. I asked him what he needs, he says "DVDROM and CDRW possibly?" I may get all the low density memory he has for a DVD-ROM!! LOL! If that happens, I will use what I can, and "pay it forward" here where others can use it. I am supposed to venture out there today to see if it is what I need.

-Jeremy

MintyMadness · #15 Post by **MintyMadness** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:27 am

So I went out to my buddy's house, and it turns out he has one stick of 128MB that is PC-100 (no idea if it is low density... didn't check), the rest of his 256MB sticks are DDR.. so forget that I guess. I will still use the 128mb if it will work, to see if this machine can post, and what it's qualms are if any..

Not too much longer, and I have all the parts I need to bring it back to life!

-Jeremy

hitokage · #16 Post by **hitokage** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:04 am

MintyMadness wrote:Never-the-mind.. I just bought one of those P3 1.0ghz mobile CPU's w/512K L2 for 16$

http://tinyurl.com/2o5uck

Is that a good deal?

It would be if it had a 100MHz front-side bus. Because it's has a 133MHz FSB it won't run at 1GHz in a T22.

Steve G.

MintyMadness · #17 Post by **MintyMadness** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:59 pm

Really? So then what will it run at?

I was under the impression that it will run at 1.0ghz, but at 100mhz bus vs 133... ? The laptop has a 900mhz proc already, but it was the 512k L2 I wanted, more than an extra 100mhz (although that doesn't hurt..

)

Thanks!

-Jeremy

hitokage · #18 Post by **hitokage** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:56 pm

The clock multiplier is fixed on the CPU, so instead of 133MHz FSB x 7.5 (clock multiplier) it would be 100MHZ x 7.5, or 750MHz.

Steve G.

MintyMadness · #19 Post by **MintyMadness** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:07 pm

hitokage wrote:The clock multiplier is fixed on the CPU, so instead of 133MHz FSB x 7.5 (clock multiplier) it would be 100MHZ x 7.5, or 750MHz.

Steve G.

Hmm.. I keep digging around. I know that the multiplier's on these "flip-chips" are locked, but I am an enthusiast therefor "can't" is a hard answer for me to accept

I finally got the new keyboard I ordered. I must say it really was brand new, and pristine! Gorgeous keyboard!! pressback was perfect.. I popped it in (you saw in the pictures that old keyboard..) and plugged in my wife's T30 PS to it again. I got a beep code of "3-3-1." From digging aorund here, that means "No memory present" right? I plan on testing out it's LCD panel on my wifes T30 too, in order to make sure that the panel is ok. I really think that this machine is fine, and just needs some TLC! I keep trying to get ahold of my buddy with the memory. We have had some crazy schedules (my daughter just turned 1 year old yesterday! I'm a proud papa!), so it's been hard to work out a time to meet him to pick up this memory... Either way that's the update on this little machine. I'm going to sign off now, and start dissassembling this T30 to test the T22's LCD.

Till then!

-Jeremy

#20 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:29 am

If I were you, I would NOT try to connect the T22 LCD to a T30.
For one, they have different graphics, secondly they use different LCD cables.
You'd run the risk to 'blow' the graphics on the T30 mobo and/or 'blow' the T22 LCD.
Wait till you get some T22 RAM!

MintyMadness · #21 Post by **MintyMadness** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:35 am

So the T30's "connector" from the inverter to the LCD is not as wide as the one for the T22. I was unable to hook it up, so I scrapped that idea... I will just have to hope it fires up after I get the RAM, and if not I will cross that bridge when it comes time.

One thing I am wondering about is internal mPCI wifi.

I was reading the other thread here: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=55120

and noticed someone said that the T23 lid had "plastic windows" ?

This T22 has a mPCI "Broadcom mPCI Ethernet/Modem" installed currently. 2 questions about this..

If I replace the current mPCI card with a wifi, will I lose the ability to hook up to an ethernet cable? (I don't really care about the modem. I honestly haven't "dialed-up" to the internet in over 6 years..)
2nd question is if I DO go with an internal wifi, can I run generic internal antenna's ? (LINK)

Is the lid really going to hinder it's reception that much?

What are some ideas (if it will hinder connectivity) that some of you have that don't include swapping for a T23 lid? (I am a PC modder of sorts, but would hate to take a dremmel to this beautiful machine

)

thanks for all the help thus far with my questions everyone!

-Jeremy

#22 Post by **Harryc** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:03 am

Yes you would lose Ethernet, just use a PCMCIA card. You can use under the palm rest antennas. The range might not be as good, but it is certainly ok for 'around the house'. I just got a T21 set up this way.

MintyMadness · #23 Post by **MintyMadness** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:19 am

See, I have used those Linksys PCMCIA wireless G cards in a lot of "Jetbook" laptops we had here at work (we recently upgraded to new dell inspirons..) and those things SUCKED for range. slow connectivity, etc.. I don't mind losing out on ethernet, but if I ever want to resell the machine, then it needs to be as "orginal" as possible. I guess I will go with a PCMCIA card. I will mostly use this for around the house website editing, when I don't feel like sitting at my desk.. Any suggestions for a decent PCMCIA that *isn't* a linksys?

-Jeremy

#24 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 am

Search this forum, that subject has come up already way too many times.....

MintyMadness · #25 Post by **MintyMadness** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:25 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:Search this forum, that subject has come up already way too many times.....

Okie doke.. Sorry..

TonyJZX · #26 Post by **TonyJZX** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:04 am

too much of a basket case

you could use THIS to repair another T22 you get off ebay in better nick

MintyMadness · #27 Post by **MintyMadness** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:52 am

TonyJZX wrote:too much of a basket case

you could use THIS to repair another T22 you get off ebay in better nick

?? I don't get what you mean by "basket case" ?

and if you were trying to link to something, it didn't work

-Jeremy

edit:
I received the 1.0Ghz CPU yesterday. Will be picking up the ram today during my lunch break. May take the rest of the day off.. If the ram works, and the machine posts (im confident it will.. I have been/will be taking pictures of the process), then we're in business!

Gonna just try to get it to post with the 900mhz CPU in it currently, then I'll test out the 1.0ghz chip.

Robbyrobot · #28 Post by **Robbyrobot** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:35 am

?? I don't get what you mean by "basket case" ?

Never heard the expression? He means you have a parts computer - and I tend to agree.

That being said, I think you're going to have a lot of fun and learn a lot if you keep your enthusiasm and don't give up too quickly. Everyone has to start somewhere and you have a T22 to play with. Who knows, you may turn out to be one of the Thinkpad addicts

who become regulars in the forum.

My advice: have fun, don't take things too fast and gather as much information as possible before you buy components. And good luck!

#29 Post by **Kyocera** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:40 am

Dittos to what robbyrobot said, it is fun/entertaining and you learn a whole lot with that type of hands on experience, and if/when you do get it running you'll get that satisfaction from "mission accomplished"

jamiphar · #30 Post by **jamiphar** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:42 pm

FYI, the T20/21/22 can only take a 100mhz FSB, 256KB cache BGA2 Coppermine CPU's, while the T23 takes 133mhz, 512KB Micro-FCPGA Tualatin ones. Different package types and difference speeds.

The fastest ones that will work in yours are the 1ghz, 100mhz FSB BGA2 chips. SL5TB and SL54F are the ones you could use. I don't see any on eBay right now, but one of the members here might have one to sell.

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