Constant fragmented files when defragging...

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SimonCC · #1 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:45 pm

When i perform defragmentation, at the end there is still a red line of fragmented files, excuse my ignorance here but is this normal??

#2 Post by **daeojkim** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:32 pm

Yes this will happen. Run defragment few times.

SimonCC · #3 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:47 pm

I try doing it a few times but this doesnt seem to help, fragmented files still there....

this isnt a massive issue but i do wanna know if this means i have some problematic files.

eriqesque · #4 Post by **eriqesque** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:55 pm

Which defragmenting tool are you using?
And what files are fragmented?

SimonCC · #5 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:59 pm

im using the standard windows tool, i dont actually know what files are fragmented, i defrag my page file so it should not be that.

Elhabash · #6 Post by **Elhabash** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:28 pm

You need a tool that defragments the Paging File as well (That's the rest that doesn't get defragmented), but as discussed before, this probably doesn't matter too much.

There are better defragmenter tools around than the built-in, if you prefer to lay down a few bucks. They are able to defragment the page file at the next reboot.

SimonCC · #7 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:00 pm

i use Sysinternals page file defragmentor, but this does not stop the red line from appearing in windows defrag. Is it actually possible to totally defrag then? Shoulf i end up with no fragmented files??? As for getting a defrag utility, i dont know which one to trust as there are so many!

egibbs · #8 Post by **egibbs** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:32 pm

If you have more than one account, AND have selected to "Make my files private" in one or more of those accounts, then any files in the My Documents folder (for the accounts with private files) can only be defragged when you are logged in as that user.

So you might need to login to each account and defrag.

Ed Gibbs

SimonCC · #9 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:37 pm

i only have one account

. Does anyone have a simmilar experience with defrag??

Peter_S · #10 Post by **Peter_S** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:36 pm

...rather than rely on the defrag graphical results, click on the View Report button. The report will list the files which remain fragmented, listing how many fragments comprise each file. Try running the defrag tool a few times, checking the defrag report each time. You should see improved results each time. You did not specify how long it's been since you last defragged your hard drive. It may take a few iterations to fully defrag your hard drive.

Lastly, the Windows defrag utility is quite good - basically, a manual version of Executive's commercial defragment utility, Diskeeper.

SimonCC · #11 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:43 pm

my comp is only 2 months old and i defrag a lot, i checked the report and here it is:

Volume IBM_PRELOAD (C:)
Volume size = 32.97 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 6.67 GB
Free space = 26.30 GB
Percent free space = 79 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 41,754
Average file size = 199 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 2,843
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 60 MB
MFT record count = 44,673
Percent MFT in use = 72 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None

SimonCC · #12 Post by **SimonCC** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:56 pm

ok, so my master file table appears to be fragmented into 3 files when it should be 2. I have read on the microsoft website that it can only be defragmented if there is enough storage to relocate the file on the hd, as the file is only 60mb (and i have 79% of my hd left over) why is it not being defragmented??? help!

monty cantsin · #13 Post by **monty cantsin** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:55 pm

SimonCC wrote:ok, so my master file table appears to be fragmented into 3 files when it should be 2. I have read on the microsoft website that it can only be defragmented if there is enough storage to relocate the file on the hd, as the file is only 60mb (and i have 79% of my hd left over) why is it not being defragmented??? help!

You'll need a better defragmenter than the one that is integrated in XP to do that. They are capable of defragmenting large parts of the MFT on-line, the rest is done during boot-up if you choose so. But according to the report you posted, you've already got an almost perfectly defragmented drive. That the MFT is split into three instead of two fragments is absolutely nothing to bother about, you shouldn't be so much concerned about that. Even Executive Software, the maker of Diskeeper (and the defragmenter that comes with Windows 2000 and XP) states that the goal of defragmenting is not to make a disk look "pretty" (which is absolutely correct):

http://www.executive.com/diskeeper/faqs/faqs.asp#eff1

aleung · #14 Post by **aleung** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:57 pm

well. i will just format the HD instead of doing defragment

#15 Post by **jdhurst** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:19 pm

I use Raxco PerfectDisk V6 and it works exceedingly well for the money (small). It is more effective than the Windows product (works, and free), it can be easily automated, it's fast, and it uses no significant resources. You can keep right on working while PD is defragging. Worth the money. And vastly, vastly, more productive and cheaper that formatting just to defrag.

CChoi83 · #16 Post by **CChoi83** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:10 am

Use Diskeeper. I wouldn't use anything else.

eriqesque · #17 Post by **eriqesque** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:28 am

Also if you have the Rescue and recovery installed, those files can not be opened or defraged and they appear as fragmented files.

SimonCC · #18 Post by **SimonCC** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:06 am

thanks monty cantsin, as usual you provide sound advice! Ill leave my disk alone for now, maybe ill look into getting diskkeeper sometime in the future when it is really needed.

lvlolvlo · #19 Post by **lvlolvlo** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:14 am

Just defrag you HD in Safe Mode, also if you havent screwed up your comp turn off system restore reboot in safe mode then defrag and reboot and turn sys restore back on.

level · #20 Post by **level** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:14 am

lvlolvlo writes:

Just defrag you HD in Safe Mode, also if you havent screwed up your comp turn off system restore reboot in safe mode then defrag and reboot and turn sys restore back on.

When you do it in safe mode do you still loose your restore points?

Leon · #21 Post by **Leon** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:31 am

what do you mean "still"? do you ever lose your restore points?

SimonCC · #22 Post by **SimonCC** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:47 am

i have system restore turned off on my system anyway at all times so its not that n.b. you do lose all restore points when you turn it off!!

Leon · #23 Post by **Leon** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:52 am

btw, one other thing... I installed the new version of IBM R&R... after installation, all of my restore points were gone! anyone know why?

monty cantsin · #24 Post by **monty cantsin** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:36 pm

Leon wrote:btw, one other thing... I installed the new version of IBM R&R... after installation, all of my restore points were gone! anyone know why?

Obviously it turns off system restore during installation, as files are written to protected folders (the minint-system, for instance). These folders are so well protected that even system restore isn't able to access their contents, thus reverting to a system restore point that was set before the installation of R&R would run the high risk of screwing up the whole system. In other words: system restore cannot remove R&R and in trying so, it would probably destroy your complete Windows installation. So it's a preventive measure.

Leon · #25 Post by **Leon** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:57 pm

nice of them to tell us on the update page...

Constant fragmented files when defragging...

Constant fragmented files when defragging...

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