what's the best CPU in the T60p model?

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Padhead · #1 Post by **Padhead** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:48 am

I am seriously thinking of buying a T60p, so... what's the best CPU in the T60p model? Obviously the latest processors have an edge over their older counterparts, but if taking into consideration price/performance, battery life, heat, noise, forward compatability, etc which one is your favorite, and why?

I have heard great things about T7600.

BTW, I will use this machine for internet / working from remote office. (Productivity apps.) Vista is in my future. Battery life is very important to me.

I want a Flexview so T61 is probably out.

Thanks Folks.

sveintore · #2 Post by **sveintore** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:48 pm

DAH wrote: IBM has never offered a T60 with a T7600 in it as far as I can tell.

Mine begs to differ:

Product: ThinkPad T60p 2008-8JG [change]
Operating system: Windows Vista [change]

Original description: T7600(2.33GHz), 1GB RAM, 100GB 7200rpm HD, 14.1in 1400x1050 LCD, 256MB ATI FireGL V5250, CDRW/DVDRW, Intel 802.11abg wireless, Bluetooth/Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, Fingerprint reader, 9c Li-Ion batt, WinXP Pro

Mine is norwegian, but there should be models with english keyboard/OS.
And, we use kingston RAM on all the computers at work, no problems.

Padhead · #3 Post by **Padhead** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:36 am

fparisi wrote:what's the best CPU in the T60p model? Obviously the latest processors have an edge over their older counterparts, but if taking into consideration price/performance, battery life, heat, noise, forward compatability, etc which one is your favorite, and why?

BUMP

anyone?

Crunch · #4 Post by **Crunch** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:05 pm

fparisi wrote:
fparisi wrote:what's the best CPU in the T60p model? Obviously the latest processors have an edge over their older counterparts, but if taking into consideration price/performance, battery life, heat, noise, forward compatability, etc which one is your favorite, and why?
BUMP

anyone?

T7600. Period. Highest Core 2 Duo with 667MHz FSB speed. And yea, the T61's are out if you want Flexview. You're going to want to do what I will eventually do when I get back home to L.A. next week. Get a T60p (they're disappearing FAST) with WHATEVER CPU, and then plug in the T7600. I'm quite disappointed in Lenovo. Everything from awful screens, to wobbling (poorly designed) LCD's. In every IT forum I am member of, every other post is about people complaining about their displays. What's next? Massive recalls with lead bleeding out of the Express slots? Lame. I'll hold onto mine for a LONG time. I may even buy extra warranty come 2009.

Padhead · #5 Post by **Padhead** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:38 pm

Yeah, that was my hunch as well. It is surprising to me that on this enthusiasts board, that I recieved so few responces to this thread.

One of the great things about T60p's is that they ussually have faster video cards and larger batteries, the former being hard to upgrade.

So I am pretty much headed towards a T60P T7600. They are not tough to come by (used). If I can't find a Flexview at a good price, then I would think that adding a IPS screen wouldn't be such a big hassle. There is a guy on this forum that provides a service putting in new bulbs in worn-out screens, maybe he could do it for me. Now I just have to find a IPS screen for him to install. jamiphar is hia screen name. jamesatfamteamdotcom.

I asked Screentek if they had any IPS screens today, but they didn't.

Maybe I will get lucky, and find a seller on ebay that doesn't know what he has.

EDIT. As I was typing this two responses came in. EDIT

Crunch · #6 Post by **Crunch** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:11 pm

fparisi wrote:I asked Screentek if they had any IPS screens today, but they didn't.

Maybe I will get lucky, and find a seller on ebay that doesn't know what he has.

That is a very good idea. That's how I found most of my Thinkpads, but the seller I have my current beauty from definitely knows about what he had and advertised it extremely well. I've seen them disappear fairly quickly, but keep on the lookout.

I found mine after I decided to force myself to stay up at 3am one night, as I had work to finish, so I got myself some coffee, wrote several emails, and at approx. an hour later, I did a quick search for what I wanted, and there it was. Persistence and a dose of luck will pay off eventually! Best ebay transaction ever. The seller's character, cooperation, and overall high caliber person had a lot to do with it.

Peak2Peak · #7 Post by **Peak2Peak** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:29 am

fparisi wrote:I asked Screentek if they had any IPS screens today, but they didn't.

Maybe I will get lucky, and find a seller on ebay that doesn't know what he has.

There is a seller on ebay: BLISS COMPUTERS LCD SCREEN STORE in your part of world who is selling several NEW Hyundai-BOEhydis HV150UX1-100 LCD panels (Grade A) for $250 - However, you will need to confirm with other forum members that this is the same panel as in the T60p UXGA's (IPS-FlexView).

Note: I have a T60p 15" with a UXGA IPS FlexView panel, when I ran PC-Wizard 2007 and checked the monitor type it gave me the manufacturer as HV150UX1-100 - (hence, I do hope that they are one and the same)

Also try online retailer http://www.lcds4less.com they also sell this panel (Lenovo Part No. 13N7076) NEW for $495! - Although they are more expensive, here in the UK the price quoted from the IBM Service parts centre is approx £410 ($820) and UK online LCD specialists are not too far behind with their pricing either!

Hope this helps - good hunting!

Crunch · #8 Post by **Crunch** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:42 am

Peak2Peak wrote:There is a seller on ebay: BLISS COMPUTERS LCD SCREEN STORE in your part of world who is selling several NEW Hyundai-BOEhydis HV150UX1-100 LCD panels (Grade A) for $250 - However, you will need to confirm with other forum members that this is the same panel as in the T60p UXGA's (IPS-FlexView).

Confirmed! What I didn't know and what was a surprise and a half, is that it is not only IPS, but FFS...then I come to find out that it is not only FFS IPS, but Advanced FFS IPS (AFFS).

Check these links out:

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_04.asp

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_05.asp

A list of benefits, most of which I've verified:

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_06.asp

I've mounted a movie as a virtual BluRay DVD last week, which is basically high-def DVD, and opened Vista Ultimate's Media Center. I've never seen anything like it.

chazz · #9 Post by **chazz** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:40 pm

Crunch did you swap out your regular IPS panel for a FFS IPS (Fru 13N7194)? I saw the ad on ebay last night and I thought it was a mistake...and Iam very tempted to order one for storage

and any future upgrades... how does the FFS compare to the regular IPS?
more sharp? more contrast..Do you get it from this guy on ebay?

how did you get to play blue ray on your thinkpad? Iam not sure what you mean by "Virtual Blue ray" Please let me know ...A friend of mine played a Blue ray movie for me and I was BLOWN away by the quality and trying see somehow to get to do its magic on a R50P or T60P...
thanks

pae77 · #10 Post by **pae77** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:07 pm

The whole BluRay thing is very interesting and worthy of its own thread I would think.

Crunch · #11 Post by **Crunch** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:33 pm

chazz wrote:Crunch did you swap out your regular IPS panel for a FFS IPS (Fru 13N7194)? I saw the ad on ebay last night and I thought it was a mistake...

No. I didn't even know what FFS, and AFFS was, until I received this machine. It was pure luck on my part. I told the seller and he didn't know either.

chazz wrote:and Iam very tempted to order one for storage and any future upgrades... how does the FFS compare to the regular IPS?
more sharp? more contrast..Do you get it from this guy on ebay?

It has an unusually high (500:1) contrast ratio. You can see everything crystal clear with direct sunlight. It's fantastic for movies, and as I am typing this (room w/ little light) I would need sunglasses if I take the brightness all the way up. Color reproduction is out of this world. And yes, I got it from a seller on ebay. Boehyris is still making them, but I hear you with having a backup LCD.

It's also very good on the eyes, so it even has a HEALTH benefit. lol...I work on my Thinkpad, I watch TV, movies, etc. on it. So I am constantly looking at the screen. DVD's, and anything HD looks like it does on my HDTV at home.

chazz wrote: how did you get to play blue ray on your thinkpad? Iam not sure what you mean by "Virtual Blue ray" Please let me know ...A friend of mine played a Blue ray movie for me and I was BLOWN away by the quality and trying see somehow to get to do its magic on a R50P or T60P...
thanks

I don't have a Blue ray drive, as it doesn't exist yet I don't think. lol...but you can play it in Vista Ultimate's Media Center if you add the folder. You can also mount an .iso file as a virtual drive, and a few players will play it. VLAN, for example, plays virtually everything...

I really hope Lenovo is not going the way of most other laptop manufacturers, and cut costs wherever they can (such as only puttiing out TN screens) to better compete with Dell, HP, etc. It is SO much fun working on a Thinkpad. It always has been for me. And this, the 12th one I've owned, has everything I want...and then some!!! If a future T series Thinkpad has IPS, but not (A)FFS, that's fine, but FFS is definitely noticeably better. IPS is the minimum for me from now on.

Peak2Peak · #12 Post by **Peak2Peak** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:58 pm

fparisi - if you are still interested in buying a T60p check this out: T60p 2623-DDU UXGA for sale in the members market place

Hurry - act fast! Interested parties are circling overhead!!!

Peak2Peak · #13 Post by **Peak2Peak** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:21 pm

Also ebay UK seller: T60p (UT0FBUK - Refurbished)

Crunch · #14 Post by **Crunch** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:29 pm

Peak2Peak: The 2623-DDU does have Flexview, but not AFFS. Whoever wants to do some haggling, that is one monumental difference, as P2P knows, right?

I'd pay around $900.

There is also mistake in the ad, but it's minor. The maximum output resolution is not 1400x1050 (SXGA+), but rather 1680x1050 (WSXGA+). I was surprised when I personally experienced it. Could it have been the monitor??? Hmm...

Troels · #15 Post by **Troels** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:58 pm

Crunch wrote:Peak2Peak: The 2623-DDU does have Flexview, but not AFFS. Whoever wants to do some haggling, that is one monumental difference, as P2P knows, right? I'd pay around $900.

As with any UXGA T60p model the variant of flexview depends on the date of manufacture. Judging from the remaining warranty it may very well have a BOE-Hydis.

Peak2Peak,
If it was me, i'd be very careful with the ebay auction:
- Picture is a stock photo of a 14.1" model T60p.
- There's no model info
- The T60p was afaik not available with a T2400
- It doesn't say what kind of WWAN or WLAN it has
- The note about graphics output does sound incorrect, and very unclear. If it is for external monitor i could set it to QXGA with not problem.
- The list of T60p specs does not match what the seller wrote above.
- Considering it says "wifi enabled" it may just offer support for it, but not necessaily come with one.
- Screen is 15", not 15.1".

However, still an interesting find, considering it has been offered before, and the customers seem happy

There is also mistake in the ad, but it's minor. The maximum output resolution is not 1400x1050 (SXGA+), but rather 1680x1050 (WSXGA+). I was surprised when I personally experienced it. Could it have been the monitor??? Hmm...[/quote]

Crunch · #16 Post by **Crunch** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:40 pm

Troels wrote: As with any UXGA T60p model the variant of flexview depends on the date of manufacture. Judging from the remaining warranty it may very well have a BOE-Hydis.

Interesting. So it is not series-dependent as to whether you'll get a BOE-Hydis LCD, but rather the time of when it was manufactured? Are you sure? In that case, ask the seller before you buy.

Troels wrote:Peak2Peak, (...)However, still an interesting find, considering it has been offered before, and the customers seem happy

I agree. The fact that the ad has more than one error probably turns some potential customers away. Again, ask the seller very specific questions. the UXGA IPS is worth going for it alone, although if you luck out and get a BOE-Hydis AFFS IPS screen, you'll be floored.

If the seller is knowledgable, and confirms it is one of the few with the BOE-Hydis, I would click on BuyItNow ASAP!

Peak2Peak · #17 Post by **Peak2Peak** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:00 pm

Troels: Point taken - RE: T60p ebay auction - yes the description given does not seem to match the Lenovo ThinkPad® T60p (UT0FBUK) spec given in the auction - Oops!

Troels · #18 Post by **Troels** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:13 pm

Crunch wrote:
Troels wrote: Interesting. So it is not series-dependent as to whether you'll get a BOE-Hydis LCD, but rather the time of when it was manufactured? Are you sure? In that case, ask the seller before you buy.

Scratch has one with a BOE-Hydis: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=39520

Gibbs also does, but it may have had some problems/might be defective:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=27533

It's quite hard to find old threads about it since people rarely talked about the manufacturer at the time when the T60p series were new

Peak2Peak,
It's ok

Maybe i'm just a bit extra critical when the prices are so low (by european standards).

Crunch · #19 Post by **Crunch** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:11 pm

Troels wrote:Scratch has one with a BOE-Hydis: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopiic.php?t=39520

Wow..ok, so it depends on WHEN it was manufactured. So there are likely even fewer around. Does anyone know if they're AFFS or AFFS+? I THINK reading on BOE's website that it's AFFS+.

Troels wrote:It's quite hard to find old thread about it since people rarely talked about the manufacturer at the time when the T60p series were new

Yea, I know what you mean. I wouldn't have either, if I hadn't looked at a "regular IPS" right next to BOE's AFFS(+?) IPS and I was wondering as to why one was noticeably brighter, crisper, more vibrant and vivid. I watched a couple of BluRay and HD-DVD movies. It looks exactly like my HDTV at home. What are the specs for BluRay? I look at this 15" UXGA screen and it totally looks and feels like HD. The SoundMAX HD audio card is also incredible. Every time a phone rings in a movie, I go "Oh man, who's calling me now?" haha...

I feel compelled to do something nice for the seller to thank him for this constant excitement.

I finally ordered the T7600 and 2x2GB's for my baby today! Is there any way to upgrade the video card? I'm not complaining at all...I'm just on a trip to max this beauty out. I have three of the WiFi N cards and besides the one I'm gonna throw in mine, a 2nd one is spoken for. Are the 250GB drives still available at only 5,400rpm?

The ultimate upgrade would be to upgrade to a T61p motherboard lol...Ok, I better stop, I'm getting carried away with this again. LOL...

Peak2Peak · #20 Post by **Peak2Peak** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:22 pm

Crunch wrote:I have three of the WiFi N cards and besides the one I'm gonna throw in mine, a 2nd one is spoken for.

If your WiFi N card(s) are the ThinkPad 11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Mini-PCI Adapters - Does the 3rd WLAN Antenna (White) cable already exist in your T60p? If it does not, you will need to install it within the LCD bezel - Take great care and DO NOT DAMAGE

your IPS FlexView (as I truly know how important this panel is to you)

Crunch wrote:Are the 250GB drives still available at only 5,400rpm?

It does seem so, I have not found any 7,200rpm's (yet), however if you want to obtain the max storage (currently) @ 5,400rpm for your T60p Toshiba now offer a 320GB (298GB) 2.5" SATA HDD.

Happy upgrading Crunch! - Keep us posted.

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