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HELP Before Its 2 Late My thinkpad's life is in your Hands!!

#1 Post by djThinkbad » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:31 am

Last week I went to Boston for a job interview and left my thinkpad T40 2373-EU9 in my room. When I returned on this Monday I found my thinkpad acting wierd when I started it. It was having trouble connecting to the wifi internet and the mouse was all jerky when moved. I tried restarting it but ther jerky mouse and no wireless connection continued. It can find the wireless conections but cannot connect (says Limited connection).I have even restored/formatted my T40 to the original ibm factory settings, using AccessIBM. So to start of with a clean software...

When I disable the wireless and use my laptop through the LAN everything works fine. Now to see if it was the wireless card I removed it from the laptop and started the computer and enabled wireless and the mouse began to jerk again. So if the computer tries to enable wire less the pointer becomes jerky when moved and the wireless cannot be connected what could be going on I even updated all the drivers/softwares! :cry:
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#2 Post by jimmy274 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:45 am

I suppose you have a MiniPCI wireless card... Have you tried to update the firmware for it?
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#3 Post by djThinkbad » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:49 am

jimmy274 wrote:I suppose you have a MiniPCI wireless card... Have you tried to update the firmware for it?
Thanks 4 replying!
Yes through System Update/ Software Installer
I updated everything possible until there were no more updates...

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#4 Post by jimmy274 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:59 am

I think it might be related to my problem with T41 - everything was fine with it, until I updated the BIOS and the Embedded Controller Program - it worked fine on the first run, but the next time, Windows wouldn't boot up - it actually freezes when the little blue line passes 6-7 times. I found out that, when you disable wireless and network Windows will boot - it boots even if I disable the ethernet alone, but the wireless card does not get recognized in Windows.
The solution that I've come up so far is that I totally disable network (ethernet) and reinstall drivers for the wireless (first uninstall old ones, then disable wireless and install drivers again, and finally enable only wireless).
Your problem sounds similar to this, so try this out - maybe it'll solve the problem, but you are left without the ethernet.
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#5 Post by djThinkbad » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:56 pm

jimmy274 wrote:I think it might be related to my problem with T41 - everything was fine with it, until I updated the BIOS and the Embedded Controller Program - it worked fine on the first run, but the next time, Windows wouldn't boot up - it actually freezes when the little blue line passes 6-7 times. I found out that, when you disable wireless and network Windows will boot - it boots even if I disable the ethernet alone, but the wireless card does not get recognized in Windows.
The solution that I've come up so far is that I totally disable network (ethernet) and reinstall drivers for the wireless (first uninstall old ones, then disable wireless and install drivers again, and finally enable only wireless).
Your problem sounds similar to this, so try this out - maybe it'll solve the problem, but you are left without the ethernet.
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#6 Post by jimmy274 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:13 pm

Have you tried using PC Doctor (you can download it from Lenovo site)?
If not, try it out - you have a wireless network test and it will probably tell you what's wrong.
Next, try booting into safe mode with networking enabled - see if there's the same problem while in safe mode with wireless.
Post when you finish...
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#7 Post by flrthinkpad » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:25 pm

On my old T23 that reminds me what happened when the card started to fail. The machine would have the mouse issue that you describe. I resolved it by getting a new wireless MiniPCIs. I found a company that had them on closeout for $10 so I bought three. I went through one more before retiring the machine.

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#8 Post by djThinkbad » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:46 pm

jimmy274 wrote:Have you tried using PC Doctor (you can download it from Lenovo site)?
If not, try it out - you have a wireless network test and it will probably tell you what's wrong.
Next, try booting into safe mode with networking enabled - see if there's the same problem while in safe mode with wireless.
Post when you finish...
THANKS JIMMY AND FLR 4 REPLYING

Ok so I preformed all the tests using pc-doctor and found no errors. ANYWAY I got myself a new wireless card updated the drivers, and the problem still is there. When ever my laptop tries to connect to the internet (wireless) my mouse becomes Jerky and hard to use and it cannot connect to wifi.
To rule out a possible issue with the internal wireless card (new and old) I also bought an external wireless card, and the same thing occurs if I plug in the wireless card my laptop's mosue gets jerky and It cannot connect to the internet.

Any Other Thinkpad Savy People Out There That Can Help Me? :(

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#9 Post by rbena » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:59 pm

If you've done a complete system restore in the beginning and the problem was still there, it appears to be hardware related.

Sounds like you either need to find the 'magical wireless card' that doesn't 'trip' this issue - or it may be in the actual computer circuitry.

You may need to have it checked by a service technician to identify the fault. At least you can replicate the problem for fixing.
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#10 Post by jimmy274 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:26 pm

Yeah it sounds like a hardware problem to me too... Either the miniPCI slot went bad (loose solder maybe), or the power circuitry is very weak... Since the PCMCIA card looks to give the same results, I would bet on the power circuitry.
I would try one more thing - take something very power consuming (external usb hdd or flash), plug it into USB port(s) and try to copy a large file to it. If the mouse becomes jerky - it's power problem... It would be great if you have some PCMCIA peripherals (USB 2.0 card or something similar) - try those if you do. Just to narrow it down...
Of course, post when you finish...
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#11 Post by Voith » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:25 am

prolly wlan card died. if you need one, I have one perfectly working for T40.
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#12 Post by djThinkbad » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:08 am

Thanks rbena and jimmy

I tried everything changed ram, wireless card, but still have the problem...

Any one think it could be the hard drive? :roll:

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#13 Post by jimmy274 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:05 am

Well, If you have one lying around, it wouldn't hurt to try... This might seem as a dumb question, but what mouse are you using? Up until now, I thought you're using the ultranav/trackpoint combination, but I just remembered you might be using a wireless mouse running on the same frequency like the wireless (2.4GHz)... If so, that is the problem, no doubt about it.
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#14 Post by Paul Unger » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:23 am

jimmy274 wrote:you might be using a wireless mouse running on the same frequency like the wireless (2.4GHz)... If so, that is the problem, no doubt about it.
I 'spect not . . . I'm running a Logitech VX Revolution and a V450 on my T42s with no such issues--both on the same 2.4 GHz band as my wireless g. This is a long shot, and I don't know how to check it, but could there be an IRQ conflict? There's a bit of info re. IRQs here. Again, that's just a shot in the dark . . .
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#15 Post by jimmy274 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:46 am

Paul Unger wrote:I 'spect not . . . I'm running a Logitech VX Revolution and a V450 on my T42s with no such issues--both on the same 2.4 GHz band as my wireless g.
First of all, this doesn't mean anything. I too have the V400 Logitech and it's running flawlessly since I bought it - I never needed to restart it. The situation with wireless, however, differs from a location to location. I have a friend that lives 3 blocks away with the same configuration and his mouse is hogging his wireless to the point he cannot use it. You need much better arguments than - "it works for me" - you need to include what wireless networks are there in your area, what country you live in (wireless varies from country to country for full 100 or 200 MHz, if I'm not mistaken), etc etc.
Judging for what I've seen so far, this could be it.
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#16 Post by Paul Unger » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:26 am

jimmy274 wrote:You need much better arguments than - "it works for me" - you need to include what wireless networks are there in your area, what country you live in (wireless varies from country to country for full 100 or 200 MHz, if I'm not mistaken), etc etc.
Judging for what I've seen so far, this could be it.
Sorry for my sloppy argument . . . Wireless networks in the area (that I can 'see'): mostly 'g', channel 6 (2437 MHz) and 11 (2462 MHz); I'm on 'g', channel 1 (2412 MHz) with a Linksys wrt-54gs (v4) running dd-wrt (v23 SP2). I'm currently in Canada. And yes, "it works for me". I'd be interested to know how a wireless mouse slelects a channel in the 2.4 GHz band--any ideas? Maybe if the OP picked a different wireless channel on his router, that would eliminate the interference? Just a suggestion . . .
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#17 Post by djThinkbad » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:12 pm

jimmy274 wrote:Well, If you have one lying around, it wouldn't hurt to try... This might seem as a dumb question, but what mouse are you using? Up until now, I thought you're using the ultranav/trackpoint combination, but I just remembered you might be using a wireless mouse running on the same frequency like the wireless (2.4GHz)... If so, that is the problem, no doubt about it.
Hi Jimmy,
No I am talking about the touchpad & the the trackpoint both act jerky and hard to control. I do not have a wireless mouse so that is not the problem. I am starting to think that it might be the hardrive or even worse the systemboard :banghead:

Thanks 4 all your help :)

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#18 Post by rbena » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:03 am

My vote is for the systemboard, as would not expect a hard drive problem to be related to starting up your wireless.

But prove me wrong - as this would be a lot easier fix.
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