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Laser Printer Advice

#1 Post by lfeagan » Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:27 am

Hi all! :D I need some advice on reliability or any other issues you might be familiar with or other advice on laser printers.

The basics: I want a laser printer for my home use. I can print quite a few sheets of paper, so being somewhat more robust is a good thing. I don't need some 400 lb behemoth, but a personal laser printer would be too light duty. In other words, something along the small workgroup level. I want automatic duplex printing. I print enough that having duplex is a must for me. 400 page documents are not uncommon and cutting that down to 200 pages by doing multi-page and duplex is a great thing.

Price: Looking to spend $400 -> $900 (though preferably around $700).

Major concerns I have: I cannot find good info on reliability of certain printers I am interested in. Getting a reliable printer which does a good job is my priority number one.

Other Notes: I already have an HP Jetdirect 10/100 --> USB so you don't need to spec a printer with that. Oh yeah, and it must not be a WinPrinter. Must have Postscript Level 2 or 3 and PCL5e or PCL6 support.

Currently I am looking seriously at the following:
HP 2420D -- $650
HP 1320NW -- $550
Lexmark T430 -- $550 (no duplex)
Lexmark E332N -- $500 (no duplex)
Lexmark T630 + Duplex Option -- $1000
Oki B6200 + Duplex Option -- $900

So, fire away with all the info that I know you all have.
Thanks a ton guys. :)
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#2 Post by MichaelMeier » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:43 am

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#3 Post by lfeagan » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:47 pm

Eh, not bad loooking. Any experience with this printer? (The Kyocera)
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#4 Post by admsteiner » Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:45 pm

I have the Brother 5150DLT. It has duplexing (it sucks the page back in) and it's small and light. 550 sheet capacity.

It might not be good for you as the tray doesn't work for legal size (you need to use the manual feed for that) and I'm not sure about its monthly rated capacity.


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#5 Post by lfeagan » Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:15 pm

Thanks for the help guys. Ended up going with the HP 2420dn. Picked one up over at Microcenter for $900. Printing out 400+ pages of a Freescale (Motorola) manual for the MCF5249L (Cold Fire). Pretty cool CPU. Used for lots of audio processing in portable applications (eg MP3). It has a hardware decoder to help with the processing, though it can easily support many other formats.
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#6 Post by monty cantsin » Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:27 am

lfeagan wrote:Eh, not bad loooking. Any experience with this printer? (The Kyocera)
I had the predecessor of the 1000 series, the Kyocera FS-600. Terrible machine. I wouldn't buy a Kyocera anytime again soon.

Right from the beginning the printer produced paper jams around every twentieth page. Being on the second toner cartridge, after about half a year and only roughly 4.000 pages printed, the opacity of the toner, starting from the right side of the paper, started to fade. After another hundred pages, the print-outs were almost completely blank, even though a new toner cartridge had been inserted just before. I had to take the printing unit (PU-16, it's the combination of the toner cartridge and the permanent drum) out of the machine and shake it so that at least on the next ten or twenty print-outs toner was visible.

During three years of warranty service, the printer had been under repair six times in total, that is for roughly about three months. A lot of components had been changed and the PU had been replaced several times for a completely new one. But the problems I described above were never resolved. Paper jams still occured frequently and after a thousand print-outs, toner started to fade again. Several different service contractors tried their luck on the machine but to no avail. When I had a look at offerings on ebay in the following years, I saw a myriad of such printers which were described as having exactly the same symptoms (paper jams and toner opacity). One current example, this was expected to be a 100% black page:

http://www.kleber-the-family.de/bilder/fs-600-2.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 03400&rd=1

Don't get me wrong: The people from the service contractors and, ultimately, the Kyocera headquarters were nice and friendly and really willing to help, but with such poor quality of engineering, they weren't able to do anything about it. I once received a beautiful ball-point pen from them that I still use regularly, but the printer itself had made its way to the dumpster long ago.

I mainly bought this printer because of the, as it was advertised, long-living drum which should last for around 100.000 pages on the smaller and even 300.000 pages on the business-class printers. But already after 4.000 pages, the printer was a complete piece of junk. And it never produced a print quality that was in any respect comparable to HP LaserJets with the Canon engines. When a year ago my university got some of the larger FS-3xxx-series Kyoceras, I could witness that at least the print quality still lagged behind (jagged, fuzzy instead of razor-sharp edges on the fonts).

Now, in addition to some newer printers (also from HP, because of the good experiences I had with this brand), I'm still using a 12-year-old 600-dpi LaserJet 4 at home that I received from my father after I got rid of the Kyocera. The print quality of this old machine can even compare to that of any of today's laser printers. With the toner cartridges that, in contrast to the Kyocera design, contain the drum, the print quality is like that of a factory-new printer with every cartridge change (and cartridges aren't really too expensive, either).

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Very happy with HP 1012

#7 Post by nikemen » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:59 am

there is a slightly newer version, but this one has done well.
We print 150-200 page documents, and I alwasy print front and back. It does a nice job of making that easy.

It was about 100 after rebate and discount at staples, I have printed probably 2000 pages and on the original printer cartridge. Replacements are easily found for 40.00$

Nice and cheap, USB laser printer

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#8 Post by lfeagan » Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:11 pm

Well, thanks for the good advice Monty. Sure glad I didn't go with the Kyocera. I have now printed about 1000 pages on my HP Laserjet. (Yes, nearly 1000 pages in one day). It is still kicking along very very well. Print speed is [censored] near amazing and the quality is pretty good. I would have to agree with some of the reviews I have read about it, such as the one over at http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1721093,00.asp. The text quality is just [censored] amazing, but the photo quality leaves something to be desired. Its not bad, but it has some dithering issues. If you print out a big sheet with a continuous grayscale gradient across it the issues of banding/dithering becomes apparent. But, I have a color inkjet printer network too, so those issues really don't bother me a bit.

What pleases me is its 30ppm rating is legit. I intend to upgrade the RAM on it from its current 64MB to 192MB so that I can do direct PDF printing. Also, I filled up all its RAM last night and made it not happy. I was printing back to back ~ 50MB pdf documents. :D It said it was having to queue my jobs b/c out of memory. Not a big deal, just peeved me mildly. I guess I could run one of my systems as a print server, but I really like the freedom of having the printer be its own print server.

I would be willing to bet the Okidata printers would have worked out well too. I have heard generally good things about them. I am not overly surprised that the Kyocera laserjet is a piece of trash. My dad had a copier from them and it was garbage too.
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#9 Post by admsteiner » Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:55 pm

I can't speak for the current generation of Oki's, but I have the Oki 600e, its about 10 years old, a whopping 4 pages per minute (or maybe 6, i forget) and it's still going strong.

of course, it still doesn't beat my Panasonic KX-P1124 dot matrix printer...that thing's almost ready to collect social security ;)

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