15" FLEXVIEW For Gaming

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Leon · #1 Post by **Leon** » Sun May 30, 2004 11:21 am

Mixed reports.... what are your results? 15" direct experience only please!

Any comments about which games you've tried it with would be appreciated.

durjaya · #2 Post by **durjaya** » Sun May 30, 2004 8:20 pm

I've been playing through Neverwinter Nights and Beyond Good and Evil on my 2379-DYU and haven't noticed any ghosting.

Will try a few more games and see what pops up.

Leon · #3 Post by **Leon** » Sun May 30, 2004 10:18 pm

Thank you for your detailed reply!

dclee012 · #4 Post by **dclee012** » Sun May 30, 2004 10:38 pm

you get that streaking/ghosting effect w/ some windows, most noticeably with black background, and something white in the window... someone had a link to a website that showed it somewhere on the forum. very minor... but disturbing for some people.

Leon · #5 Post by **Leon** » Sun May 30, 2004 10:47 pm

Is it fair to say, that aside from the obvious differance of the size, that the 14" monitor MIGHT be a better choice???

gg3761 · #6 Post by **gg3761** » Sun May 30, 2004 11:06 pm

On this issue with the ghosting/streaking on the 15" Flexview. Did this issue come up with the R series? I've just ordered a 2379DXU & am still wondering if i should have got the 14".

ryan · #7 Post by **ryan** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:13 am

gg3761 wrote:On this issue with the ghosting/streaking on the 15" Flexview. Did this issue come up with the R series? I've just ordered a 2379DXU & am still wondering if i should have got the 14".

The 2379DXU's max resolution is stated as 1400x1050, but according to Tom's Hardware ( http://www4.tomshardware.com/mobile/200 ... 1p-06.html ) FlexView gets a max of 1600x1200 for a 15". I don't think the 2379DXU's screen is FlexView.

gg3761 · #8 Post by **gg3761** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:33 am

The tabook guide shows all 15" as Flexview if i'm reading it correct.

G-Man · #9 Post by **G-Man** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:43 am

gg3761 wrote:The tabook guide shows all 15" as Flexview if i'm reading it correct.

Except the 15” XGA (1024x768). And according to the tabook, the 2379DXU’s screen is FlexView.

Regards,
G-Man

gg3761 · #10 Post by **gg3761** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:44 am

G-man you are correct.

ryan · #11 Post by **ryan** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:46 am

gg3761 wrote:The tabook guide shows all 15" as Flexview if i'm reading it correct.

Hmm. I'm wrong.

Mofongo · #12 Post by **Mofongo** » Mon May 31, 2004 3:24 am

I have the 2379-DYU, 15" UXGA screen. I love the screen in all respects except for the slow response of the pixels (which is 60ms (or less than 17 frames per sec!)). I stuck Enter the Matrix on it for kicks...the ghosting is definiitely noticeable, but most of the time you can ignore it. When you really notice it is when see something in the game that is bright white, like a computer screen or a lit sign. If you rotate your view away from this thing, you will notive a trailing white streak that actually gets pretty long. The thing to keep in mind about the display, however, is that it is so bright and crisp that it is actually a lot easier to notice the effects of slow response time....if it were dimmer and more washed out like the normal displays, one would have a lot harder time seeing the imperfections.

For Neverwinter Nights, I also found the streaking perceptable, but not really that annoying.

For me personally, it is not really intended as a gaming platform except when I am on the road and sitting bored in a hotel room or on a plane (with a power plug

)...and the slow pixel response is something that I found I can get my brain to "tune out". So it is something that I can live with in order to get the enhanced sharpness, clarity, brightness, and contrast. To make the pixel response faster in a display of this type, IBM/ID-Tech would have had to up the power consumption and possibly the weight, and that would have been bad.

Laptops are always a compromise between features, battery life, and portability.

So I would not recommend the Flexview screens for serious gamers...definitely not as a desktop replacement unless you got an external monitor. But if you need something to keep you entertained while on the road is it fine.

Watching movies on the screen, though, I do not notice any pixel lag at all. Actually, for any usage other than gaming it is not noticeable.

Hope this helps.

Mofongo

#13 Post by **aamsel** » Mon May 31, 2004 1:55 pm

I am interested in the T42 15" 1400X1050.
This IS a Flexview screen?? (the IBM website says that it is)
Just wanted to clarify.
Andrew
Austin, TX

ian · #14 Post by **ian** » Mon May 31, 2004 1:58 pm

The T42 is available with both 14" and 15" screens - although not usually on the same machine at the same time...

#15 Post by **aamsel** » Mon May 31, 2004 2:06 pm

REALLY!!??? I CAN'T HAVE 2 SCREENS ON A THINKPAD????
What a huge disappointment!!!
(I'll try my question one more time)
I am interested in the T42 15" 1400X1050.
This IS a Flexview screen?? (the IBM website says that it is)
Just wanted to clarify.
Andrew
Austin, TX

ian wrote:The T42 is available with both 14" and 15" screens - although not usually on the same machine at the same time...

ryan · #16 Post by **ryan** » Mon May 31, 2004 2:17 pm

aamsel wrote:(I'll try my question one more time)
I am interested in the T42 15" 1400X1050.
This IS a Flexview screen?? (the IBM website says that it is)
Just wanted to clarify.

Yes it is.

Droosh · #17 Post by **Droosh** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:28 am

I'd say the pole is flawed. We need seperate polls for each of the two 15in flexview displays. They are different and will have different performance.

Reading some of the posts I'm thinking that it is possible that the 1400x1050 fifteeen incher has a faster response time? At leaset that is my hope as I have a DXU on order.

Thoughts or comments on this display in particular?

Conmee · #18 Post by **Conmee** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:36 am

Folks,

Here are the specs from IDTech for the Flexview LCD screens that come with the 15" UXGA/SXGA+ Flexview T42 models. I've also included a non-Flexview screen's specs from IDTech for comparison. As everyone knows, non-Flexview LCDs have faster (lower) response times and lower power consumption, making them less susceptible to ghosting/shadowing, etc. Again, as many of us have said, alot of the actual performance is subject to individual tastes/preferences/perceptions. For alot of folks, the superior screen will be worth it despite the occasional ghosting/shadowing in games and other high-contrast situations.

I've included the IDTech link, btw, for those who want to look for themselves. Also, IDTech isn't supplying 14" LCDs anymore, so the 15" non-Flexview that I've included for comparison probably has greater power requirements than a comparable 14" SXGA+ LCD from LG or Samsung, but most likely has equivalent contrast, brightness, and response times. Finally, it's interesting to note that even the max response time for the non-Flexview screens is less than the average response time for the Flexview screens. And most importantly, during fast-action, high texture game play, I'm willing to bet the Flexviews end up on the max end of the response time...i.e. 120ms v. 45ms for non-Flexview.

http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/products/index.html

15" UXGA Flexview
.1905 pitch
200 nits
400:1 contrast
262K Colors
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum
Power Consumption 7.2W typical, 8.9W maximum

15" SXGA+ Flexview
.2175 pitch
200 nits
400:1 contrast
262K Colors
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum
Power Consumption 6.6W typical, 7.2W maximum

15" SXGA+ TN (NON-Flexview)
.2175 pitch
200 nits (center of screen), 185 nits average
250:1 contrast
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45ms typical, 50ms maximum
Power Consumption 4.1W typical, 4.7W maximum

Daniel.

Conmee · #19 Post by **Conmee** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:39 am

Droosh wrote:I'd say the pole is flawed. We need seperate polls for each of the two 15in flexview displays. They are different and will have different performance.

Reading some of the posts I'm thinking that it is possible that the 1400x1050 fifteeen incher has a faster response time? At leaset that is my hope as I have a DXU on order.

Thoughts or comments on this display in particular?

Droosh,

To your point, the IDTech specs for the T42 15" screens would indicate that they do NOT have different performance, nor will their performance vary in a statistically significant way (other than power consumption). However, because the Fire GL T2 is pushing around more pixels on a UXGA screen v. an SXGA+ screen, that could contribute to a perceived difference in display response/quality, though it would not, technically speaking, be a function of the display's limitations, but rather the GPU's limitations.

Daniel.

kano · #20 Post by **kano** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:09 pm

Conmee wrote:Folks,

15" UXGA Flexview
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum

15" SXGA+ Flexview
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum

15" SXGA+ TN (NON-Flexview)
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45ms typical, 50ms maximum

Daniel.

Most of producers' shows on responce time only rise or fall time. Check carefully specification for 15'' SXGA+ TN (page 8 in pdf), and compare with page 8 in 15" UXGA Flexview specification.
Under common conditions for 15'' SXGA+ TN should be:
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45+45ms typical, 50+50ms maximum

KaNo

NecessaryEvil · #21 Post by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:23 am

Thought I'd chime in.

my 2379-DYU arrived yesterday.

UT2004: Great
Q3A: Great
DesertCombat: Great
CounterStrike: Noticeable ghosting, but not unbearable. (especially as little as I play CS)
FarCry: Great

Other monitors that I use for comparison:
12.1" XGA on the X31
14.1" SXGA+ on the T41P (that I'm sending back, thanks to the T42P)
2x 20" UXGA on the Dell 2001FP's (Home)
1x 20" UXGA on the Dell 2000FP (LAN)

#22 Post by **aamsel** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:22 am

Have you tried any DVD playback, and viewed it carefully???
(yes, I realize that DVD playback would be generally less demanding than what you have tried).
Andrew
Austin, TX

ryan · #23 Post by **ryan** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:11 pm

Good to hear and congrats, NecessaryEvil. I just ordered the 2378DXU after reading that FlexView is fine running those games!

Thanks

#24 Post by **aamsel** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:11 pm

Just want to verify:
1.) Is the only difference between the 2378-DXU and the 2379-DYU the extra 2 year's warranty ?? If so, when (for what kind of buyer) would it be recommended to get just a 1 year warranty ??
2.) Is there a 56K modem on the 2379-DYU ??
I only ask because, on the IBM site, it says "None" in the column for modem, but on the config. sheet it says it has one. (not that I will ever use one, but...)
Thanks,
Andrew
Austin, TX

G-Man · #25 Post by **G-Man** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:21 pm

1. Yes, the two models are identical, except the 1 and 3 years warranty.
2. There is a 56K modem.

The website is full of typos. Use the tabook for correct information.

Regards,
G-Man

cynic · #26 Post by **cynic** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:39 pm

ThinkPad T42 2378DXU 2378 DXU
(60.0 GB U, Intel Pentium M
Processor 735 1.7GHz, 512 MB,
24x/24x/24x/8x max CD-RW/DVD drive,
64 MB Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics chipset,
Intel 11b/g wireless, 6 cell Li-Ion battery,
modem, 1 Gb Ethernet, ThinkPad UltraNav,
IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0,
Bluetooth wireless technology,
15.0-in TFT 1400 X 1050 FlexView display
with wide viewing angle and high density,
Windows XP Pro, 1yr Warranty

ThinkPad T42p 2379DYU 2379 DYU
(80.0 GB HS, Intel Pentium M
Processor 745 1.8GHz, 512 MB,
DVD Recordable drive,
128 MB Mobility FIRE GL T2 graphics chip set,
Bluetooth wireless technology,
IBM 11a/b/g wireless, 6 cell Li-Ion battery,
modem, 1 Gb Ethernet, ThinkPad UltraNav,
IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0,
15.0-in TFT 1600 X 1200 FlexView display
with wide viewing angle and high density,
Windows XP Pro), 3yr Warranty

Differences are highlighted. All have 56K modems.

(so I guess the short answer is there are a ton of differences between the two)

#27 Post by **aamsel** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:55 pm

I am very sorry, I meant to say what is the difference between 2378-DXU and 2379-DXU which would be just the warranty. I guess I was surprised that people would order a system for $100 less and lose 2 years of warranty.
Andrew
Austin, TX

cynic · #28 Post by **cynic** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:18 am

2 years more warranty is ~$120... so it's really only a difference of $20.

ryan · #29 Post by **ryan** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:38 am

cynic wrote:2 years more warranty is ~$120... so it's really only a difference of $20.

I'm already above budget as it is, so every penny counts.

#30 Post by **aamsel** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:46 am

So, as to what cynic was saying:
Can you add the additional 2 years warranty to a notebook during the first year?
If so, is there a link on the IBM site that outlines warranty additions???
Andrew
Austin, TX

15" FLEXVIEW For Gaming

How does the FLEXVIEW perform with demanding games?

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