T60 w/14.1" QXGA on eBay... FlexView or fake??

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#1 Post by **Johan** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:41 pm

I know that this Marketplace is not a sub-section of eBay, but nevertheless I believe the following auction (which is due to end in one day from now) may be of interest to many forum members: IBM Lenovo T60 2gb 60gb QXGA 2048x1536 Laptop Notebook (has warranty until 30-Jan-2010, and comes with MS Office 2007, Bluetooth, Fingerprint reader etc).

Question: Is this QXGA a FlexView/IPS LCD??? I never, ever saw or heard about a T60 QXGA before!

Strange... that according to the listing for the 2007-4CU it here says:

Lenovo wrote:Product: ThinkPad T60 2007-4CU [change]
Operating system: All [change]

Original description: T2400(1.83GHz), 512MB RAM, 60GB 5400rpm HD, 14.1in 1400x1050 LCD, 64MB ATI Radeon X1300, CDRW/DVD, Intel 802.11abg wireless, Bluetooth/Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, Fingerprint reader, 6c Li-Ion batt, WinXP Pro

... so where did the QXGA come from??

According to the Parts lookup for this specific T60, the LCD is MFR part 13N7062 or FRU 13N7063 but according to the 14.1 inch LCD service parts - ThinkPad T60, T60p both are standard SXGA+ (TMD). So, is this a fake eBay advertisement?? Or... did someone swap the SXGA+ to an QXGA? If indeed the latter, then how can the claimed remaining warranty still be intact?

Johan

goofyGAguy · #2 Post by **goofyGAguy** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:58 pm

Johan , I don't see how this could be a FlexView, since it's a 14" screen. Also, 512 MB of V-RAM????

#3 Post by **erik** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:12 pm

you've answered your own question. no one makes a 14.1" QXGA panel, let alone a 14.1" IPS panel. the highest res offered in 14.1" is UXGA and it's TN.

if you bought this you'd end up with an SXGA+ display, period. the seller has either purposefully or inadvertently misrepresented the resolution. either way it's a mistake.

goofyGAguy · #4 Post by **goofyGAguy** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:35 pm

erik wrote: the seller has either purposefully or inadvertently misrepresented the resolution.

As well as the amount of video memory.

#5 Post by **erik** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:48 pm

very true. 512MB is dead wrong.

btw johan, the display in question can easily be proven as incorrect by looking at this picture found in the listing clearly showing an SXGA+ panel.

Troels · #6 Post by **Troels** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:50 pm

Some people don't know much about computers, and mistakingly takes the resolution stated for maximum support as the resolution. This is typically QXGA.
But in such a case, where the seller "plays" at the resolution, he/she knows what's he or she is doing.
Most don't realize that some programs report hypermemory and dedicated as one.

the 15" QXGA (IAQX10S, IAQX10N) does physically fit into a T60 15" shell nicely - but - i couldn't figure out an edid for it, and the one i recieved was quite defective, so back it went.
The edid on the 51nb forum does not work.
I.e. the chance of ever seeing a T60 with QXGA for sale is pretty slim still.

pianowizard · #7 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:18 pm

Troels wrote:the 15" QXGA (IAQX10S, IAQX10N) does physically fit into a T60 15" shell nicely

Really? Does the bezel bulge at all? I was told several times that the display assembly of the 15" T4* and T6* aren't thick enough for the QXGA screen. My R50p's assembly is significantly thicker than that of a 15" T4*/6* and yet the screen barely fits.

#8 Post by **Johan** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:19 pm

erik wrote:btw johan, the display in question can easily be proven as incorrect by looking at this picture found in the listing clearly showing an SXGA+ panel.

OK, friends, please accept my apologies for exciting you about a fantastic... - but obviously fully fake - deal...

And, Erik, as you (and many other forum members!) have already clearly seen and completely understood, I am a totally, untalented, naive amateur in this ThinkPad world

(ooh, well... gee; I just wish I was good at something!). I cannot, unfortunately, as you, clearly see from the image pointed to if it is indeed an SXGA+ display (and with its native SXGA+ resolution) or it is an QXGA LCD which has been set to e.g. SXGA+ resolution? I agree, of course, that the latter would be a bit weird... I mean, if first swapping the SXGA+ to an QXGA LCD, and then reducing the resolution on the QXGA to SXGA+?! The only benefit from this would be the feeling of having a badly maxed out Thinkpad!!

I think we better close this thread now; I was just curious why an eBay seller with a 400+ feedback score would make such an "error"? Makes little sense?

All for now; over and out - truly sorry for first exciting you guys, and then sadly disappointing you again!

Thanks, anyway, for being so gently with me!

Best regards,

Johan

#9 Post by **erik** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:00 pm

johan - no need to take this so hard. we're here to help, teach, and learn. on occasion will give each other a poke just for fun. you have to stay lighthearted otherwise the world becomes a very boring place.

#10 Post by **KristianJ** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:11 pm

erik wrote:very true. 512MB is dead wrong.

btw johan, the display in question can easily be proven as incorrect by looking at this picture found in the listing clearly showing an SXGA+ panel.

WSXGA+, perhaps? I'm looking at the pic now and it doesn't really look like it's been stretched horizontally. If it has, it doesn't look sufficient to distort the image. The number of icons and spacing on the desktop seems pretty indicative of the default settings on a WSXGA+

The whole listing is rather strange, but looking through the seller's feedback, he/she has sold several T60s recently with the same model number (but the proper resolution listed) and received positive feedback from all transactions.

#11 Post by **erik** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:43 pm

KristianJ wrote:WSXGA+, perhaps?

nope.

take a look at the other photos in the listing and you'll see a 14.1" 4:3 chassis with a few dead giveaways such as the narrow keyboard bezel.

it's a 14.1" SXGA+ model, no doubt about it.

#12 Post by **KristianJ** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:02 am

erik wrote: it's a 14.1" SXGA+ model, no doubt about it.

I'm not doubting that the other pics are of a 4:3, but the pic that you linked to doesn't look anything like a standard 4:3 LCD panel.

Either that, or my eyes are totally warped

I just think it's a lack of consistency on behalf of the seller that just happens to be one of my bugbears when it comes to laptop auctions...

wearetheborg · #13 Post by **wearetheborg** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:03 am

I asked the seller about it, and he was certain it was QXGA. He even sent me a screenshot, with windows displaying the resolution as QXGA.

Even then, I'm 99.9% certain its SXGA+

pianowizard · #14 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:33 am

wearetheborg wrote:He even sent me a screenshot, with windows displaying the resolution as QXGA.

Most likely that's QXGA with scrolling. In other words, there are 1400x1050 pixels on the screens, and the rest of the QXGA extends beyond the screen.

#15 Post by **erik** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:49 am

holy crap... someone paid $667 for an SXGA+ T42p with warranty!

SaberX · #16 Post by **SaberX** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:23 am

pianowizard wrote:
wearetheborg wrote:He even sent me a screenshot, with windows displaying the resolution as QXGA.
Most likely that's QXGA with scrolling. In other words, there are 1400x1050 pixels on the screens, and the rest of the QXGA extends beyond the screen.

Maybe he had it connected to a external monitor(that can do QXGA)?
I like to see the pic of the screenshot showing the QXGA.

Troels · #17 Post by **Troels** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:30 pm

pianowizard wrote: Really? Does the bezel bulge at all? I was told several times that the display assembly of the 15" T4* and T6* aren't thick enough for the QXGA screen. My R50p's assembly is significantly thicker than that of a 15" T4*/6* and yet the screen barely fits.

No bulge caused by the screen, fit's fine too, however the hinges could need an upgrade to tackle the extra weight. Also the LCD cable is too long, so in that regard the R50p is completely ideal. There's a bulge from above the lenovo logo on the clear plate, but it has always been there.. seems as if the frame is just a bit too wide.

Here's some pics from someone who fitted it into an T60.
http://space.taobao.com/blog/bc1ff1e229 ... 570101.htm

How he got it to display the full resolution i don't know - maybe that's a key difference between iaqx10n and iaqx10s. All of these "modders" buy iaqs10n's for some reason or another.

wearetheborg · #18 Post by **wearetheborg** » Sat May 03, 2008 7:32 am

pianowizard wrote:
wearetheborg wrote:He even sent me a screenshot, with windows displaying the resolution as QXGA.
Most likely that's QXGA with scrolling. In other words, there are 1400x1050 pixels on the screens, and the rest of the QXGA extends beyond the screen.

In the screenshot he sent me, it appeared that the entire screen was on display, from the windows start logo to the icons towards RHS of the taskbar.

SaberX, I thought he had had connected an external monitor, I sent him an email asking about the exxternal monitor, but he did not seem to get the point. Unfortunately, I have deleted the screenshot.

fuscob · #19 Post by **fuscob** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:30 pm

KristianJ wrote:I'm not doubting that the other pics are of a 4:3, but the pic that you linked to doesn't look anything like a standard 4:3 LCD panel. Either that, or my eyes are totally warped I just think it's a lack of consistency on behalf of the seller that just happens to be one of my bugbears when it comes to laptop auctions...

I don't think it's your eyes...I'm seeing the same thing. The seller seems to have a strange mix of pictures in that auction, some showing a 4:3 model and some a widescreen model. The photo that erik linked to definitely looks like a widescreen to me, though.

T60 w/14.1" QXGA on eBay... FlexView or fake??

T60 w/14.1" QXGA on eBay... FlexView or fake??

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