windows vista on T40

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indicium · #1 Post by **indicium** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:11 pm

Has anyone successfully installed Vista on a T40 and if so what are the potential problems?

TIA

chan_man · #2 Post by **chan_man** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:17 pm

It will install but depending on the video that you have, you probably will not get AERO to show up. Otherwise it does run and will be slower than XP.

tahsan · #3 Post by **tahsan** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:41 pm

I had installed vista in my T40 from beta to retail ultimate version (microsoft beta tester

). Works fine, I installed it ati 7500 and 9600 both of the version. Will be slow though.

If you have older hdd, like 2-3 years old hard disk, pls do not install vista. I do not know why but it corrupts the hdd. I have lost 2 desktop and 1 laptop hdd for vista. And 1 of them was wd raptor

. If you have brand new hdd then go on kill you self

ajkula66 · #4 Post by **ajkula66** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:56 pm

Can you say slooooooooooooooooooooooooooow...

sktn77a · #5 Post by **sktn77a** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:07 pm

tahsan wrote:If you have older hdd, like 2-3 years old hard disk, pls do not install vista. I do not know why but it corrupts the hdd. I have lost 2 desktop and 1 laptop hdd for vista. And 1 of them was wd raptor . If you have brand new hdd then go on kill you self

Can you elaborate? I've heard that Vista indexing causes more HDD access than XP but I don't understand how you managed to kill three drives so quickly (?!)

indicium · #6 Post by **indicium** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:37 pm

Thanks for the insight. I just got a free copy of Ultimate and the urge to install and try it out is very strong. BTW, I have 40gig 5400rpm HDD that's only a couple of years old and presently have 1 gig ram.

chan_man · #7 Post by **chan_man** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:48 pm

Do what I did with my free copy of Vista ultimate.. it is stitting on the shelf.... I had a copy of Vista beta loaded on a T60 and even then it was slow. I think to really run it "right" you need lots of memory >2gig, > 2Ghz processor (dual or quad core) and a large drive. I bought a quad core Dell with Vista and I ended up taking it our and running XP instead. Much better. I do not like the nagging that Vista does.

#8 Post by **jdhurst** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:13 pm

In my opinion, you need a behemouth of a machine to run Vista. I have such a machine (T61p Core Duo, 3Gb of ram) and it runs Vista Business 64 with the guts of Vista ripped out of it, very well indeed. (Note: Vista guts are glitter, glamour, Aero and stuff like UAC that was (to directly quote Microsoft) put in to annoy users).
... JDH

sparta.rising · #9 Post by **sparta.rising** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:18 pm

I'm running Vista on a T43 with PM 2Ghz, 2GB ram, and 160GB 5400RPM hard drive. Runs great! When I first installed it there was 1.5GB ram and 60GB 7200RPM hard drive.

I run RightMarkCPU to control the speedstep and it almost always stays at 800Mhz.

I changed the hard drive because I put the 7200RPM in another machine. I swapped a 512MB stick for 1GB because I had it...

As to the nagging, easy to turn off.

#10 Post by **bill bolton** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:42 pm

jdhurst wrote:In my opinion, you need a behemouth of a machine to run Vista.

Vista will run fine on a current mass market ThinkPad that costs under $1000. I can build a desktop from current market components that will run Vista fine for about $600.

Neither of those are behemouth machine specifications in todays terms! These are not "high end" system configurations by any means, just middle range ones.

I'm going to have another go at installing Vista Ultimate SP1 on a base level T43 (18xx model) when I have some time. Based on what I have learned from Vista installations on current platforms..... I fully expect that this time around it will be at least as workable for me as XP Pro has been on that platform.

Cheers,

Bill B.

saux · #11 Post by **saux** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:05 am

slow, drains battery, and definitely no aero

(for the mobility 7500)...
never ever want to try it again

#12 Post by **jdhurst** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:03 am

bill bolton wrote:
jdhurst wrote:In my opinion, you need a behemouth of a machine to run Vista.
Vista will run fine on a current mass market ThinkPad that costs under $1000. I can build a desktop from current market components that will run Vista fine for about $600.
<snip>

Yes, I agree with that. In the same way, one can use less than a nicely spec'd T4x to run XP. If people want a Vista machine to be snappy, it needs to be more powerful. But I suppose that is the way of all operating systems.

FWIW, my machine was under $1,700, so it is not too far out of the mass market range. ...JDH

buckalho · #13 Post by **buckalho** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:43 pm

jdhurst wrote:In my opinion, you need a behemouth of a machine to run Vista. I have such a machine (T61p Core Duo, 3Gb of ram) and it runs Vista Business 64 with the guts of Vista ripped out of it, very well indeed. (Note: Vista guts are glitter, glamour, Aero and stuff like UAC that was (to directly quote Microsoft) put in to annoy users).
... JDH

I recommend installing XP, fully customize it, then install vista.
I did that on my T40 and here's the result after I stripped down unnecessary programs and services.

Total process running: 40
CPU usage on idle: ~1%
Physical mem available: 50% (I have 1.3 Gig of ram)
rating on Vista: 1 (of course.. with Radeon 7500)

I would personally say that my vista runs as fast as XP. The only problem is Vista's data transfer algorithm (which I believe haven't been corrected by Vista).

Here's what I had before when I clean install Vista on my drive
total process running: 63
CPU usage on idle: 15% (crazzy!)
physical mem available: 5%
it takes a while to open even start menu.

sktn77a · #14 Post by **sktn77a** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:52 pm

Why install XP first?

#15 Post by **bill bolton** » Thu May 01, 2008 4:45 pm

I have started the installation of Vista on my T43 1872, and have Vista Ultimate x86 SP1 , Office 2007 SP1 and all the recommended Lenovo Vista drivers installed so far.

The T43 is running very nicely in non-Aero mode. Next step is to get my normal utility set loaded.

Cheers,

Bill B.

mgo · #16 Post by **mgo** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:12 pm

sktn77a wrote:Why install XP first?

According to various articles (and my personal experience) Vista is very a very friendly multi-boot install OS. XP on the other hand is tricky and stubborn when installed after another OS is already on board.

Regarding the poster who mentioned slow data transfer in Vista, try RoboCopy (now native on Vista) for very fast file copy work. Run it as admin. SyncBack is also very fast, and has a nice user interface for ease of use, and there is a freeware version.

With Vista's Explorer copy/paste the job is still slow as hell, even in the "improved" SP1 version.

beeblebrox · #17 Post by **beeblebrox** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:04 am

I am also curious about installing a basic Vista version on a T40p with its Radeon FireGL9000.

I have a few simple questions which I could not get answered by search in this forum:

1.) The Radeon FireGL 9000 is supported with DX8, right?
2.) Does it mean I can have Aero without the useless gimmicks? I just want quick scrolling and moving of windows. Or will I get Win2000 themes? I can get no XP Theme, right?

3.) A Vista Vlite slimmed down to XP functionality seems to run quit well, similiar like XP? (That's what I heard... )

4.) A Lenovo Vista Recovery CD would install on any Thinkpad, right? (Just for testing before shelling out some cash fir the license)

mgo · #18 Post by **mgo** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:36 am

beeblebrox wrote:I am also curious about installing a basic Vista version on a T40p with its Radeon FireGL9000.

I have a few simple questions which I could not get answered by search in this forum:

1.) The Radeon FireGL 9000 is supported with DX8, right?
2.) Does it mean I can have Aero without the useless gimmicks? I just want quick scrolling and moving of windows. Or will I get Win2000 themes? I can get no XP Theme, right?

3.) A Vista Vlite slimmed down to XP functionality seems to run quit well, similiar like XP? (That's what I heard... )

4.) A Lenovo Vista Recovery CD would install on any Thinkpad, right? (Just for testing before shelling out some cash fir the license)

My answers are incomplete because I do not know some of them. But here's some of my experience that may help a little:

I have ThinkPads running Radeon but not the numbers you mentioned. Works fine with Vista.

Unsure about Aero on your machine. It will run Vista with a basic theme which does not have the transparent effects, and Aero 'might' run on it. Sidebar will run but may not be transparent if your graphics will not support it. No matter, it's a novelty that wears off quickly.

You have the option of running the XP-like "Classic" in Vista which actually looks pretty good and does not have the needless visual effects, especially if you set Performance to fastest mode.

Also run Windows Explorer in Classic for best speed and less jumping around. (microsoft thinks it's cool to have Explorer be "animated" but real users don't!)

I have personally installed Vlite Vista. It works, but it isn't that much of a difference in speed and is a lot of work for little gain.

Today's service pack 1 version of Vista is pretty quick, especially when opening Office apps. Just have at least two gig of RAM and you will be happy with it.

Copy and paste is still kinda slow in Vista, even with SP1, but it is about three times faster than before. There is also Robocopy on board Vista which is super fast and easy to set up if you have frequenty copy jobs of megabytes of things.

The oldest machines I run Vista on are a R50p, R51. R52, and T60. The T60 is quite capable with Vista with the dual processor & 3 gig of RAM. The R series machines are pretty darn good with Vista SP1, and I could live with how quick they are. All have 2 gig of RAM and faster drives of 5400 or 7200 rpm.

I believe the Lenovo recovery disks are machine specific.

Hope this helps a little bit.

beeblebrox · #19 Post by **beeblebrox** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:05 pm

mgo wrote:
beeblebrox wrote:I am also curious about installing a basic Vista version on a T40p with its Radeon FireGL9000.

I have a few simple questions which I could not get answered by search in this forum:

1.) The Radeon FireGL 9000 is supported with DX8, right?
2.) Does it mean I can have Aero without the useless gimmicks? I just want quick scrolling and moving of windows. Or will I get Win2000 themes? I can get no XP Theme, right?

3.) A Vista Vlite slimmed down to XP functionality seems to run quit well, similiar like XP? (That's what I heard... )

4.) A Lenovo Vista Recovery CD would install on any Thinkpad, right? (Just for testing before shelling out some cash fir the license)

My answers are incomplete because I do not know some of them. But here's some of my experience that may help a little:

I have ThinkPads running Radeon but not the numbers you mentioned. Works fine with Vista.

Unsure about Aero on your machine. It will run Vista with a basic theme which does not have the transparent effects, and Aero 'might' run on it. Sidebar will run but may not be transparent if your graphics will not support it. No matter, it's a novelty that wears off quickly.

You have the option of running the XP-like "Classic" in Vista which actually looks pretty good and does not have the needless visual effects, especially if you set Performance to fastest mode.

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Dear mgo,
thanks for the good info. I am now not really sure what the Fuss is about Vista, reading all your information.
I only saw Vista in a discounter store on some Acers.

I thought that if I disable all that useless gimmicks stuff like sidebar (what is that good for anway?) and nonsense transparency I could get a fast machine similar to XP.

Classic theme means Windows 98 look, right?
I am used to XP Luna Royale Black (The ThinkPad Theme of all time!). So I will get a Win98 look?

I read somewhere that Vlite could eliminate all useless services (superfetch, indexing, DRM crap...) and could get a footprint of around 500MB.

Is Vista Basic look the same look like glass, but without transparency and therefore without need for a DX9 GPU?

All I need is some support for faster scrolling, because Firefox is soooo slow on graphics intensive web pages.

#20 Post by **Kyocera** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:28 pm

I'm running Vista Business SP1 on my t42 (integrated graphics) (run of the mill) with 1.5g Ram and a 7200rpm HD. It is fast, yes I said, plenty fast. I paid $400 for the t42.

mgo · #21 Post by **mgo** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:53 pm

beeblebrox wrote:[I thought that if I disable all that useless gimmicks stuff like sidebar (what is that good for anway?) and nonsense transparency I could get a fast machine similar to XP.

Classic theme means Windows 98 look, right?
I am used to XP Luna Royale Black (The ThinkPad Theme of all time!). So I will get a Win98 look?

I read somewhere that Vlite could eliminate all useless services (superfetch, indexing, DRM crap...) and could get a footprint of around 500MB.

Is Vista Basic look the same look like glass, but without transparency and therefore without need for a DX9 GPU?
.

Classic theme means like Windows 2000. I don't even remember what Win98 looked like...that's been 10 years ago for me. But Classic is very much like XP Classic. Same style and colors. You can change colors on Classic to make it look very much like Royal Black.

Yes, Vista Basic is like glass but no transparency. It is designed for video cards or motherboards that cannot do transparencies.

Vlite will create a much smaller footprint, but I do not believe it will kill DRM or Indexing. I prefer indexing, so I notice that indexing did work on my Vlite. With Vlite the user can opt out of User Account Control and some other capabilities. Vlite demands considerable knowledge of Windows functions so as to not turn off things you really want to have. (I made some mistakes and had to re-do my Vlite ISO three or four times)

Vista's speed with SP1 is very close to XP without the need for eliminating too many features or services. It has been improved a lot.

Main points: Have two gig of RAM. Set Advanced System Settings to Adjust for Best Performance, and set Windows Explorer to Classic. This is really about all one needs to change.

You are welcome to experiment with Vlite of course (it is freeware afterall) but make sure you have a image of your stock setup in case of error. Vlite is rather well done (much better than Nlite, the XP version) but it can remove features you might really want to have. It is rather good at warning you about removing critical features, to the programmer's credit.

#22 Post by **Kyocera** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:04 pm

mgo wrote:Vista's speed with SP1 is very close to XP without the need for eliminating too many features or services. It has been improved a lot.

Yes, totally agree.

#23 Post by **jdhurst** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:39 pm

Kyocera wrote:
mgo wrote:Vista's speed with SP1 is very close to XP without the need for eliminating too many features or services. It has been improved a lot.
Yes, totally agree.

Same here. Vista in plain mode is plenty fast on my T61p.

With respect to an earlier post, I have all my machines (Windows 98 VM, Windows NT4 VM, Windows 2000 VM, Windows XP Pro production machines, and now Vista Business all looking exactly the same and all the same variant of the original Windows 95 look.
... JDH

beeblebrox · #24 Post by **beeblebrox** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:17 am

Folks,
thanks a lot for all the good information.

As far as I understood now, there is a good chance to get a Vista Basic version running on my T40p, just need some more memory, which is no problem.
I hate the Win2000 theme, but Vista Basic is pretty ok.

Sure, User account crap and useless animations can be turned off immediately.

I'll try to get a Lenovo Vista recovery on FleaBay. With my experiences with Lenovo XP recoveries, they all work on Lenovos as lonog as they are Lenovos. I hope it is the same here with Vista.
I am looking forward to finally get some use of the Radeon FireGL 9000, which has been dormant in Xp all the time.
Scrolling in Firefox is simply too slow!

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