T43 Discussion!!

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#151 Post by **RonS** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:34 am

I was expecting more.

Still only two USB ports, and no DVI except on dock, where only 1280x1024 @ 60Hz is officially supported. There is no SATA hard drive.

The only differences I can tell between the T43 and T42 are faster memory and bus, improved graphics, and one ExpressCard slot. Based on this Acer Sonoma review, it seems that pretty much all of the performance improvement comes from the upgraded video chipset.

In the Acer w/Sonoma review, a 9700 (ATI M11) is being compared with an ATI X700, where as with the T43p, we're coming from a 9600 to an X600.

ehd · #152 Post by **ehd** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:03 pm

two t43s showed up on the epp site.. they're all 1024x768 with intel built in video =( but they're cheap

ehd · #153 Post by **ehd** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:05 pm

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
4.7-5.14

can this thing run half life 2?

Tiger · #154 Post by **Tiger** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:15 pm

Here is the lastest link I found on the T43 specs and availability.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1752588,00.asp

Click on the " the latest in intel technology "link for an explanation of the chipset and how the technology will progress.

It atleast explained alot for me

vickertj · #155 Post by **vickertj** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:28 pm

This Feb. 25 availability really chafes my bee-hind. !!! I thought they were going to be available THIS week.

dr72 · #156 Post by **dr72** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:29 pm

ehd wrote:Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
4.7-5.14

can this thing run half life 2?

I wouldn't bet on it.

Overall I look at the two T43's on the ibm site and think - what's the point? Jeez, I was all hyped up about some great new laptop.

vickertj · #157 Post by **vickertj** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:36 pm

dr72 wrote: Overall I look at the two T43's on the ibm site and think - what's the point? Jeez, I was all hyped up about some great new laptop.

I am with you there. I don't know why they put those particular models up, if you check out the following (posted here earlier by someone else), you will see the full range of T43 offerings. This thing says they expect to ship these Feb. 25. I am betting the ones up on the order page won't ship until that time, either.

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

Anyways I'm quite annoyed that I put off buying a laptop. I really could have used one over Christmas break.

TimWang · #158 Post by **TimWang** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:48 pm

well, now you can save 200 and get a t42

Roisin · #159 Post by **Roisin** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:42 pm

-----EXPRESS MODELS-------
Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers include a three-year warranty and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-023.PDF

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook feature new Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 chipset
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/ ... 05-029.PDF

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 and T43p notebook computers include a three-year warranty
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/ ... 05-027.PDF

New Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-033.PDF

-----STANDARD MODELS-----(hopefully with 35% epp discount)
New IBM ThinkPad T43p notebooks — Perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebooks offer perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers offer fingerprint reader on selected models and the new Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/ ... 05-032.PDF

till now i wanted to buy a 2373-M3U for $2419, epp price is $1572

right now, my winner is 2668-4EU going for $2299, and hopefully the epp price will be $1495

vickertj · #160 Post by **vickertj** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:51 pm

What would be the point of a T43 if it just has integrated graphics? About the only substantial area of improvement is in graphics, and you wont see that with an integrated solution. Incremental processor upgrade a FSB don't do much for performance, and the express card thingy will be useless for a while.

TimWang · #161 Post by **TimWang** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:52 pm

whats an epp discount?

hundesau · #162 Post by **hundesau** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:54 pm

sry, if that was discussed already, but pls explain to me if the t43 will be a product of IBM or since IBM sold the IBM compatible PC branche to Lenovo it was more correct to call it "the IBM/Lenovo T43"?

Im a lil confused, not that i would care who builds the thinkpad but i read some news and they keep saying: "IBM presents the T43".
So this sounds funny amd confusing to me and id like to know how this works.

On page 6 someone mentioned an expiration date the first quarter of 2005....hopefully someone can turn on the light for me.

thx.

IR0NMAN · #163 Post by **IR0NMAN** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:07 pm

The current generation of T43 are 100% IBM, the lenovo deal won't be in effect until 6-12 months (just a guess)

Also, I wish I knew someone who worked at IBM, just for the EPP discount... 35%? [censored]!

starbot · #164 Post by **starbot** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:10 pm

is there an employee on the forum who can give us the eep discount?

IR0NMAN · #165 Post by **IR0NMAN** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:12 pm

^^^^^^

I didn't have the guts to ask

hundesau · #166 Post by **hundesau** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:29 pm

thx for quick answer, but they were signing the Deal and said: From now on Lenovo use the name IBM for 5 years. Or when do the five years start?

vickertj · #167 Post by **vickertj** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:33 pm

Five years haven't started yet...Later this year, I think? T43 is IBM designed and constructed.

ehd · #168 Post by **ehd** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:25 pm

the epp discount makes the t43s $1400+ seems like an okay deal for 1.86 ghz but the 1024x768 resolution is very blah to me. ibm employees are usually willing to give out the id.. cause it is for friends and family and i believe it was 25 per year.. or was it half of that.. well whatever something like that.. sometimes the specials are better then the employee prices tho. and the education prices are a bit higher except if u login as an ohio student on their website.. those are lower than employee discounts.

Kurt Hunciker · #169 Post by **Kurt Hunciker** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:13 pm

Roisin wrote:-----EXPRESS MODELS-------
Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers include a three-year warranty and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-023.PDF

Am I the only forum member who is disappointed by IBM's decision to abandon standalone graphics processors on all except the most expensive T43?s It seems that this may be a substantial step down from the ATI graphics in previous T4x lines and is the type of design choice you would expect to find in cheap consumer laptops, not in IBM's flagship line.

I just performed a Google search and came across the following article on the Intel chipset:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipse ... i915g.html

The article contains the following summary:

These facts suggest that Intel’s attitude towards integrated graphics hasn’t changed in the slightest. The company only gives its graphics the bare minimum of functionality. For example, the support of DirectX 9 pixel shaders in the new GPU is not an attempt to be better than the competitors, but rather the compliance with the requirements to the hardware that the next OS from Microsoft will produce.

Intel still doesn’t think it necessary to develop high-performance and rich-functionality integrated graphics, capable of competing with cheap standalone graphics cards. There’s no doubt that PCI Express versions of inexpensive cards from ATI and NVIDIA, like RADEON X600/X300 and GeForce PCX 5750/5300, will be faster than the new graphics core from Intel.

I hope I am wrong about this, but it does not look promising.

syhead · #170 Post by **syhead** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:12 am

...and here's Tom's Hardware veredict:

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/2005 ... so-25.html

yes, this is a great time to buy a T42...

w0qj · #171 Post by **w0qj** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:14 am

anyone know if the T43/T43p will have a different OS image than the T42/T42p/T41/T41p/T40/T40p, due to different drivers (video "chip", motherboard, one ExpressCard/34 Slot instead of PC-Card slot)?
***think this will be a major consideration to IT Managers who are buying fleets of IBM T-Series thinkpads...

ie: if you swap a T42 hard drive into a T43, will it work?
i think likely not, without major driver modifications...

- - - -
i'm also not impressed with the T43 specs (basically forcing power users to upgrade to T43p for the independent video system/memory instead of integrated video).

T43/p Pro's: has theoretically slightly faster speed due to:
==>slightly faster Somana CPU but more power consumption
==>higher motherboard 533 MHz speed and more power consumption
==>"futureproof" ExpressCard/34 Slot instead of PC-Card slot (but i can imagine a T42 PC-Card adapter that can use ExpressCards).

T43/p Con's:
==>significant half-hour batter power penalty (due to above reasons).
==>T43 (not the "p" model) is actually worse off than T42 due to its integrated video and sharing of main RAM memory.
==>no SATA or SATA2 hard drive support (significant hard drive throughput improvements missed out).
==>STILL 2 USB ports!! especially dispointing especially on the "huge" 15" T43's. many 15" notebooks are coming out with 3-4 USB ports now.

Conclusion?
If you want top of the line, the T43p is still worth it if you can wait.

For all others reasons, T42 & T42p with reduced prices would be much better bang for the buck.
If you want a "guaranteed" T42 with SP2 pre-installed, just go for the T42s with fingerprint reader like i have done.

- - - -
i for one am glad did not wait for the T43 to come out--
9 weeks ago i bought a T42s (1.7 GHz CPU) with deep corportate discount.
then used the money saved to buy:
upgrade 512MB to 1GB RAM
upgrade hard drive to 7K60
bought extra Travel AC Adapter

and still cheaper than a T42p (i don't draw AutoCAD or do massive compiling of programs, and not much PhotoShop).

dr72 · #172 Post by **dr72** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:50 am

Kurt Hunciker wrote:
Roisin wrote:-----EXPRESS MODELS-------
Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers include a three-year warranty and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-023.PDF
Am I the only forum member who is disappointed by IBM's decision to abandon standalone graphics processors on all except the most expensive T43?s It seems that this may be a substantial step down from the ATI graphics in previous T4x lines and is the type of design choice you would expect to find in cheap consumer laptops, not in IBM's flagship line.

I hope I am wrong about this, but it does not look promising.

What's the point really? I was waiting for the T43 for the ati x300/x600 video - now all that's available is the intel 900?

So it looks like I'll just wait longer for the x300/x600. Unless a t42 looks like a good deal (but to have to get a 9600 when the x300/x600 is out so soon... )

Roisin · #173 Post by **Roisin** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:20 am

x300 and x600 models are here:

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 and T43p notebook computers include a three-year warranty
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/ ... 05-027.PDF

New Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-033.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43p notebooks — Perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebooks offer perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

when you look at all the prices, new t43s aren't that much more expensive than similarily configured t42s

for me though, the only real difference is the expresscard slot

i dont think there are many bugs to be ironed out either, the construction is most likely the exact same one, and i would trust intel, that they did extensive testings with that new centrino platform

mmeier · #174 Post by **mmeier** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:08 am

does the new T43 has S-ATA ??

IR0NMAN · #175 Post by **IR0NMAN** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:12 am

mmeier wrote:does the new T43 has S-ATA ??

Unfortunately, no.

pointfielder · #176 Post by **pointfielder** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:17 pm

Roisin wrote:x300 and x600 models are here:

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 and T43p notebook computers include a three-year warranty
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/ ... 05-027.PDF

New Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-033.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43p notebooks — Perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebooks offer perfect balance of performance and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

I didn't see any models in these links with an x600, only with x300.
May be x600 is available as an upgrade ?

The pricing does seem very similar to the previous T42s !

Roisin · #177 Post by **Roisin** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:30 pm

well, allright, X300 and FIRE GL V3200

danny_isr · #178 Post by **danny_isr** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:17 pm

From what i hear till now , the regular T43 will have only integrated video card ?
Only T43p will have the x300/600 ?

if that's the case , what the estimated price for a T43 with x300 card ?

i was looking till now into T42 14" 1.7Ghz Radeon 9600- 64M . 40G, 256M. i can get it for $1400 now , using IBM discount. how much a T43 with similar specs will be?
if i will find out , it's going to be much more, then i won't wait and order the T42 right away.
Unless T42 going to drop more on Feb 25 ...

Thanks Danny

tribal-sunrise · #179 Post by **tribal-sunrise** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:35 pm

some humans seem to be blind - there are countless posts about this in this thread - t43 with x300 exist - look here for example (incl. prices)

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

ehd · #180 Post by **ehd** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:37 pm

how does the radeon and the x300 compare from t42 to t43? i've had a t21 for 4 years now as my only computer so im pretty far behind on games.. heh

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